tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post5222522075809696517..comments2024-03-10T10:40:12.454-07:00Comments on craven desires: dog fighting lingoscurrilous amateur bloggerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00575387156203723911noreply@blogger.comBlogger29125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-55873035404447434642017-04-02T10:47:17.458-07:002017-04-02T10:47:17.458-07:00More border collies have attacked humans than apbt...More border collies have attacked humans than apbts. The generic term of "pitbull" applies to over 15 breeds of dog and they then compare their bite data to single breeds of dogs. Unfair huh?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13760540046448179033noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-29397138900289281182015-11-09T23:03:17.173-08:002015-11-09T23:03:17.173-08:00I'm calling bullshit on this one Ts. Absolute ...I'm calling bullshit on this one Ts. Absolute bullshit!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12442226705474233021noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-10685418668975219422014-10-06T06:53:21.923-07:002014-10-06T06:53:21.923-07:00Oh yeah, my male BC is the grandson of the first B...Oh yeah, my male BC is the grandson of the first BC ROM'ed in the PNW, so yes, Border Collies can be Registered on Merit in the US; the ABCA website even outlines the process.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-86565679208916277852014-09-19T04:34:01.120-07:002014-09-19T04:34:01.120-07:00Indeed.
In the UK at least, it's quite tough t...Indeed.<br />In the UK at least, it's quite tough to get a non ISDS dog registered on merit. <br /><br />Although I DID hear somewhere that a bearded collie was ROM with the ISDS which is interesting - it gives opportunity for fresh genetics to be added to the working dogs from other breeds.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-55621994686177868912014-09-19T04:24:21.332-07:002014-09-19T04:24:21.332-07:00Yes. I don't know about America, but in the UK...Yes. I don't know about America, but in the UK a dog without ISDS parents can be registered with the International Sheepdog Society (ISDS) following proving itself to have exceptional herding ability (I'm not sure of the exact criteria, I suspect it's decided by the society itself on a case by case basis).<br /><br />I would imagine the dog would have to pass a herding trial or several herding trials, or perhaps even win a whole competition to be accepted. KC border collies without at least one ISDS parent would also have to be ROM to join the ISDS, however ISDS dogs are automatically qualified for registration into the KC for confirmation showing (most would not win shows however as they aren't bred for appearance).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-54062665590695519372013-04-28T12:45:12.393-07:002013-04-28T12:45:12.393-07:00...000bcdcb5194,
I see. So all points that go to......000bcdcb5194,<br /><br />I see. So all points that go towards the ROM titles for Border Collies must be working title points? GSDs don't necessarily need herding titles, just titles in general. These days, the preferred titles for GSDs are obedience and Schutzhund titles.<br /><br />I'm about positive my GSDs possess the herding instinct as they've both shown herding behavior, even the heel nipping.<br /><br />When pit bulls show their genetic behavior, someone's pet might die. From all the attacks on humans, the behavior is not limited to other dogs.Rumpelstiltskinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09196255173812948303noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-83133146886522150912013-04-28T08:41:31.582-07:002013-04-28T08:41:31.582-07:00No, it is Registered ON Merit in ABCA.
Linky here...No, it is Registered ON Merit in ABCA.<br /><br />Linky here: http://www.americanbordercollie.org/ROM.htm<br /><br />ABCA ROMs have absolutely NOTHING TO DO WITH AKC ROMs. These are working dogs, not show dogs. (Also, AKC herding tests are not the same as Open ISDS trials.) <br /><br />I was using these to compare to Pit ROMs as they both test "working" abilities.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-54783621474426736462013-04-28T02:59:15.370-07:002013-04-28T02:59:15.370-07:00...000bcdcb5194,
I think it's Register of Mer......000bcdcb5194,<br /><br />I think it's Register of Merit. I was told from a few breeders it was a great title to have. To me, it signifies champion parents and to the breed club it additionally signifies breed participation.<br /><br />Your right about the herding ability being genetically passed on. My younger GSD has a ROM sire and while the dam is not ROM, her parents are ROM and well titled. That dog is on fire! I have no doubt he would easily take to herding.<br /><br />My older one is more laid back and easier to handle. His pedigree is not quite as stellar but he's really smart and possesses a calmer temperament.<br /><br />They both possess temperament and working behavior similar to their parents.<br /><br />It's a sad thing for a pit bull to be ROM, he/she has to "win" dog fights.Rumpelstiltskinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09196255173812948303noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-73578320392546362322013-04-27T19:10:01.313-07:002013-04-27T19:10:01.313-07:00I think that's it. dog=pet to so many people ...I think that's it. dog=pet to so many people now. Small Survivorshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05150912262473853541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-89094286288443652142013-04-27T15:00:42.727-07:002013-04-27T15:00:42.727-07:00Yes, ROM in ABCA given solely on the dog's her...Yes, ROM in ABCA given solely on the dog's herding abilities. They do ask for pedigree and all available information on the sire and dam, but technically you wouldn't have to know a thing about the dog's parents as long as it was an exceptional herding dog. <br /><br />"Labs with different coats on" is a good analogy. I keep wondering why the average Joe seems to think all dogs are interchangeable (except those Poms and Chihuahuas), maybe because most dogs are purely pets now? I don't know.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-62797575141681172092013-04-27T12:43:24.327-07:002013-04-27T12:43:24.327-07:00That is interesting. Does that mean that the dog ...That is interesting. Does that mean that the dog was registered solely on its herding ability without papers to prove lineage? <br /><br />That makes perfect sense for working lines, when most working dogs' pedigrees were not kept like show dogs' peds are.<br /><br />I think people are completely ignorant of what and how and why working dogs are bred and how that's different than show dog lineage. <br /><br />People seriously believe all dogs are labs with different coats on - except lap dogs which are inherently vicious.Small Survivorshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05150912262473853541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-60129848220097579462013-04-27T07:01:33.468-07:002013-04-27T07:01:33.468-07:00For what it's worth, in the ABCA world, ROM is...For what it's worth, in the ABCA world, ROM is any Border Collie type dog that can herd REALLY, REALLY well, and ROM stands for Registered ON Merit. <br /><br />The criteria is strict, and is purely on working ability.<br /><br />I have a grandson of one of the first bitches ROM'd in this region. It's amazing how inheritable traits like herding ability are. About the only way I could stop this dog from herding would be to cut his legs off.<br /><br />How is it people don't GET that fighting, maiming, killing abilities are just as inheritable?<br /><br />How much do you want to bet there are happy suburban families out there, proudly crowing about their pitties ROM'd parentage? Look at what gets advertised on CL (no, don't, it's depressing), I don't know the pedigrees, but I KNOW some of these are close up fighting lines.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-46814336858349595552013-04-26T22:28:34.434-07:002013-04-26T22:28:34.434-07:00To elaborate on what orangedog mentioned:
In the...To elaborate on what orangedog mentioned: <br /><br />In the AKC world, ROM (also Sire of Merit-SOM, and Dam of Merit-DOM) are a type of honorary "title" conferred on certain successful breeding dogs by their breed clubs. In this case, it has nothing to do with fighting. <br /><br />In the AKC world, dogs earn this by having a certain number of offspring that become conformation champions, get performance titles (e.g., herding for Border Collies), and get advanced titles in companion sports like obedience or agility. Since a male can sire more puppies over a lifetime than a female can produce, the requirements are approximately doubled for the males vs. the females.<br /><br />Both of my Border Collie's parents are ROMs. My Papillon's dam is a DOM, and the sire will probably be a SOM by the end of this year at the rate his kids are racking up titles.<br /><br />To me, it's not very meaningful unless the dog only has a limited number of offspring. This is true for my Pap's father--his 6 kids have about 25 titles between them, and are only 2-3 years old.<br /><br />For my Border Collie's father, he got it simply by being a super popular sire and having over 100 offspring, of which a high percentage became show champions and only a few--mainly my dog, who has over 30 titles in 6 sports--racked up all the performance titles needed for dad to get his ROM. <br /><br />(As an aside, I'm VERY against the "popular sires effect" and think there should be a limit on how many puppies can be registered from one sire--like maybe 20-30. My dog was from his sire's second litter. I had no idea he was going to go on to produce a gazillion litters).S.K.Y.https://www.blogger.com/profile/10394626858056890715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-60341618901868839472013-04-25T14:28:41.842-07:002013-04-25T14:28:41.842-07:00ROM is ROM regardless of fighting or AKC showing b...ROM is ROM regardless of fighting or AKC showing but POR i am not sure about. orangedog do you have producer of record in the AKC land? do i need the secret hand shake to get this information?<br />never mind i will send you a coded message. the coven hasn't granted me that level of clearance yet.scurrilous amateur bloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00575387156203723911noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-89918923668073390172013-04-25T13:49:38.579-07:002013-04-25T13:49:38.579-07:00In AKC land a ROM is awarded to a CH who has produ...In AKC land a ROM is awarded to a CH who has produced a certain number of other champIons. Of course, our CH titles don't come from winning dog fights.orangedoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05251922898197297995noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-31075166397887302662013-04-25T11:09:21.414-07:002013-04-25T11:09:21.414-07:00Packhorse, R. O. M. stands for register of merit ...Packhorse, R. O. M. stands for register of merit and is assigned to brood stock based on the number of winners produced by a dog or bitch. Google Garrett's Jeep, Ch. Honeybunch or ch. Chinaman if you like. The only dogfighter from back in the day who used live animals as bait was Randy Fox. That's a fairly new phenomena among wanna bes and urban neophytes. I personally never knew or knew of anyone other than Randy. tropical stormshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00801723382664621739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-56463690767909849022013-04-25T10:45:55.285-07:002013-04-25T10:45:55.285-07:00TS, your story is certainly an incredible one. I e...TS, your story is certainly an incredible one. I enthusiastically encourage you to write a book and expose both pitties and pit fans for what they really are. <br /><br />I have two questions for you, if you have time:<br />What is a Register of Merit?<br /><br />Is it true puppies, small animals, etc. are thrown to the bulldogs to rile them up before a match? (can't remember where I read this)Packhorsehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17180571971381589396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-20942569335863051792013-04-24T21:53:45.921-07:002013-04-24T21:53:45.921-07:00i couldnt sleep without dreaming of nutcutters ram...i couldnt sleep without dreaming of nutcutters rampaging on their white-trash owners and stopping the atrocities from reproducing themselves .Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-8937221312056016842013-04-24T20:50:40.781-07:002013-04-24T20:50:40.781-07:00Thank you. As to stress you know some people thriv...Thank you. As to stress you know some people thrive on it and I would certainly qualify. There is an ever present tension regarding the safety of the cover persona. In a very real sense your cover is not only that which enables you to do your job it is the thing that keeps you safe. Guarding you cover becomes something of a preoccupation. tropical stormshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00801723382664621739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-36909205637643210912013-04-24T20:43:03.197-07:002013-04-24T20:43:03.197-07:00It has to be immensely stressful to work undercove...It has to be immensely stressful to work undercover around these people everyday. I can't imagine the worry of having your cover blown and knowing that they would probably dump your body in the swamp.<br />I watched that BBC documentary on dog fighting, but that didn't go into nearly as much detail as you have. Kudos for all the work you did.orangedoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05251922898197297995noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-81635243707433299562013-04-24T19:42:51.886-07:002013-04-24T19:42:51.886-07:00If you don't constantly and consistently have ...If you don't constantly and consistently have your wits about you long before you ever get there you do something else. There is no shortage of animal issues in need of attention and you would choose one of those areas rather than this one.tropical stormshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00801723382664621739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-35309515054569560602013-04-24T18:19:18.982-07:002013-04-24T18:19:18.982-07:00DubV, they are lying. The dogs want to be there an...DubV, they are lying. The dogs want to be there and love to fight. They really have no choice as they have been selectively bred for over 200 years to do or want to do nothing else. The only bulldogs I've ever encountered who did not want to fight were "cold" individuals who had no more clue about their genetic ancestry than your average multi line mutt. In other words they were just normal dogs, if not very smart ones. tropical stormshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00801723382664621739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-47757298448642027452013-04-24T18:02:16.310-07:002013-04-24T18:02:16.310-07:00some quality time with a nut-cutter is just what ...<br /> some quality time with a nut-cutter is just what i'd like to order for the people who enjoy seeing such things happen to dogs and hogs . fucking white trash or the coloured equivalent .Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-75825888026281329672013-04-24T17:56:12.939-07:002013-04-24T17:56:12.939-07:00Wow.
I'm fascinated about the demeanor of the...Wow.<br /><br />I'm fascinated about the demeanor of the dogs. Is it as the nutters say? That the pit bull doesn't want to fight and hates it but does it out of some programming or love of master? I'm guessing the dogs seem to want to be there.DubVhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14367764785422714196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-66546321961246498192013-04-24T17:52:24.889-07:002013-04-24T17:52:24.889-07:00Snack, a turn is literally turning away from the o...Snack, a turn is literally turning away from the opponent. If you're watching the fight most are quite obvious. It can be somewhat subjective at times but a legitimate turn is as obvious as a human turning away from another person. Most referees are generous in allowing turns. I've seen only a handful of disputes on it. I could count them on one hand easily. As to decompression time it varies from person to person. For me I took about a year with no contact of any kind and that worked fairly well. Enough so that I could engage again at a remove anyway. There are all manor of animal issues to address that don't involve going to dogfights.tropical stormshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00801723382664621739noreply@blogger.com