tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post6317487924665197258..comments2024-03-10T10:40:12.454-07:00Comments on craven desires: the doctor is INscurrilous amateur bloggerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00575387156203723911noreply@blogger.comBlogger74125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-48571791020792195592013-06-20T07:47:09.808-07:002013-06-20T07:47:09.808-07:00You've officiated over a lot of pain and miser...You've officiated over a lot of pain and misery, Andrew, and, unsurprisingly, you chose a breed that is eager to mete out pain-yet is almost insensitive to it! Hey! Someone should study YOU!<br /> OK, I'm not educated, I barely made it out of high school, but I'm an old lady, I've seen many things, and I can assure you, that is not the work of a mountain lion. Coyotes? My friend keeps sheep and I was there when 3 coyotes got into the pasture-when Dee threw on the floodlight, all 3 had pinned a single sheep, while the others milled, frantic but unhurt at the far end of the pasture--I know that wolves will go on "blood sprees", as will dogs, but what I've seen of coyotes has been, dash furtively in, get the job done, and gone.<br />A small point: were the carcasses used as food by the mountain lion or coyote? Dogs don't usually eat their victims--like man, the joy is in the kill.SadFaladahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17968323254262353173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-69197643078399103952012-07-31T04:20:34.996-07:002012-07-31T04:20:34.996-07:00**wails**
DubV! What have you got against 3rd-ra...**wails**<br /><br />DubV! What have you got against 3rd-rate Journals...? The lowly grad student and the middling bright have to start out SOMEWHERE! <br /><br />If it weren't for 3rd-rate journals, I never would have gotten my publication in The North American Biannual Review of Public Affairs & Policy! <br /><br />(this post is facetious. Mostly.)Miss Margohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09738133130130308032noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-79380670539894674782012-07-26T21:05:33.580-07:002012-07-26T21:05:33.580-07:00"money interests do not go down without a fig..."money interests do not go down without a fight. they will spend whatever they need to spend in order to protect their livelihood. and you can bet that propaganda will play heavily into that."<br /><br />BAM! There it is! As is often said, the truth is in the middle. The part not often said... In the middle of the money trail.Dude, I BaggedYourPithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07995429035917075760noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-56503075188878206222012-07-26T15:12:27.087-07:002012-07-26T15:12:27.087-07:00This is the basis of AVMA, ASPCA, HSUS, and Best F...This is the basis of AVMA, ASPCA, HSUS, and Best Friends Animal Society support for pit bulls. Animal Farm Foundation does not need the cash. <br /><br />"money interests do not go down without a fight. they will spend whatever they need to spend in order to protect their livelihood. and you can bet that propaganda will play heavily into that."april 29https://www.blogger.com/profile/01377958791525950902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-17076517760409895342012-07-26T13:20:24.489-07:002012-07-26T13:20:24.489-07:00I'm down with animal testing IF a brilliant sc...I'm down with animal testing IF a brilliant scientist with a track record of results states that there is a significant advance in an important area and it can only be attained with animal testing. There are way too many 3rd rate scientists harming animals in poorly designed studies that will only make it into 3rd rate journals.DubVhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14367764785422714196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-55633654248653755212012-07-26T10:22:43.775-07:002012-07-26T10:22:43.775-07:00re: vivisection, years ago on quiet uneventful nig...re: vivisection, years ago on quiet uneventful nights on the graveyard shift in a psychiatric hospital, i would curl with the PDR (physicians desk reference). it sounds boring but it is fascinating reading, especially the toxicology summaries of drugs. you will find many, many drugs in there that had devastating side effects on rats and mice yet, they made it safely passed the FDA and continue to be safe on humans today. makes me wonder how this crap shoot works. if the first phase of testing harms beagles, rats and mice, then why go on to the next phase of testing? if harmful tests on animals are going to be ignored, why not just skip the non-human animal phase of testing altogether?<br /><br />sure, there have been advances in medicine, there has also been catastrophes in the human population by relying on the antiquated practice of sacrificing animals. vivisection is an old way of thinking (think bronze age religion) and it is big business: lab animal magazine, beagle/mice/rat breeders, cage manufacturers, lab animal chow. money interests do not go down without a fight. they will spend whatever they need to spend in order to protect their livelihood. and you can bet that propaganda will play heavily into that.scurrilous amateur bloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00575387156203723911noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-69028625569312804962012-07-26T04:05:41.641-07:002012-07-26T04:05:41.641-07:00Snarky, skeptifem, I think whatever anyone thinks ...Snarky, skeptifem, I think whatever anyone thinks about vivisection, we can all agree that this (I have now amateurly concluded) psychopath Rozsa needs to be kept out of any and all positions of power, also any position in which he could be perceived as an authority figure, be it to animals or to human patients. He should probably also never be left alone with children. <br /><br />Thanks Miss Margo for the cultural info. It will sound politically incorrect, so I won't expand on it, but this tells me much about the complexes this man seems to have. Or at the very least about the expression of said complexes. Hungary is nowadays one of the dogfighting sewer-drains of the EU. So by having pits that kill other animals Rozsa gets both to feel his weeny is bigger AND that he's identifying with his homeland. At least, with the socio/psychopathic parts of that homeland. <br /><br />Cos ya know, mentally healthy nostalgic-for-home Hungarians choose Pulis, Vizslas or Mudis (all wonderful, social dogs), or if they must have a big bad-looking dog then a Komondor. BTW, if someone's pit kills a sheep in Hungary (or a normal dog, or a horse, or a child), the pit gets summarily shot and the owner has to be glad if he's spared. Dogfighting is a human sewage problem there, but it's gotta be in the ring or otherwise the shit-bull dies, sometimes the owner too, no court involvement, just the community taking care of of a problem -- like we used to here (= USA) back some thirty years ago. <br /><br />Mr. Psycho-Hungarian Macho-Man wouldn't survive long in his country of origin, I think. <br /><br />Can we maybe send him back there instead of arguing with him here? Hahaha, see how he survives when there's no State protecting his Tiny Weeny...Alexandrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15459347524558238547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-76142521259997778952012-07-26T03:51:18.516-07:002012-07-26T03:51:18.516-07:00if a doctor and animal behaviorist cant come up wi...if a doctor and animal behaviorist cant come up with a good defense for his pits killing sheep , what chance does a regular uneducated , illiterate trailer dweller have ? dont get that beautifull brindled beauty , trailer folks , stick with nasty chihuahuas. theyr just as aggressive but dont cost you as much or put you back in jail.lolAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-59651427073368017062012-07-25T21:38:17.499-07:002012-07-25T21:38:17.499-07:00Dub, I wouldn't consider myself an expert, but...Dub, I wouldn't consider myself an expert, but I have slaughtered and dressed a couple of sheep, not to mention a number of deer and rigor starts very quickly. I don't know where the 3 hour number came from. I decided to Google it and found, "The onset of rigor mortis may range from 10 minutes to several hours." http://chemistry.about.com/cs/biochemistry/a/aa061903a.htm A half hour to 45 minutes is more consistent with my experience, where the legs couldn't be bent enough to load into a deer cart, and that's in cool weather with an animal field dressed and positioned for draining and cooling - something that should cause maximum delay in rigor.Dude, I BaggedYourPithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07995429035917075760noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-64229790214696479602012-07-25T18:14:35.076-07:002012-07-25T18:14:35.076-07:00"I'm still trying to figure out what kind..."I'm still trying to figure out what kind of 8' enclosure keeps sheep in, allows coyotes to come and go, but keeps pit bulls out."<br /><br />Excellent observation, Dude.DubVhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14367764785422714196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-64995955704352657112012-07-25T16:56:46.658-07:002012-07-25T16:56:46.658-07:00well, early on in the comments i agreed with sputn...well, early on in the comments i agreed with sputnik2009 and i was leaning towards not responding at all. until i got to andrew's responses. <br /><br />check back.scurrilous amateur bloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00575387156203723911noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-77547331926086783372012-07-25T14:29:21.686-07:002012-07-25T14:29:21.686-07:00i read recently that it used to be commonly believ...i read recently that it used to be commonly believed that animals had no feelings of pain , only humans . doctors would nail a dogs feet to a board to immobilize it , then do experimental surgery without anesthetic, of course. im not sure putting caustic substances in a rabbits eyes is much different than that . oh btw , ive heard doctors say what theyd like to do to people who think like me .Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-43573434415275417512012-07-25T14:18:22.769-07:002012-07-25T14:18:22.769-07:00skeptifem:
obviously its a matter of opinion whe...skeptifem:<br /> obviously its a matter of opinion whether something is ethical or not and of course it depends on what exactly we are talking about. cosmetic testing is different than testing for cancer research . but the idea of people like this pitter rosza doing research on animals eyeballs makes me feel like im right in personal opinions about this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-80768665685560882782012-07-25T14:10:16.327-07:002012-07-25T14:10:16.327-07:00Thanks Dude for providing actual expertise on rigo...Thanks Dude for providing actual expertise on rigor mortis. I knew only enough to be aware that Andy didn't know enough to make such claims.DubVhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14367764785422714196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-38855663468509350182012-07-25T10:51:34.801-07:002012-07-25T10:51:34.801-07:00I'm still trying to figure out what kind of 8&...I'm still trying to figure out what kind of 8' enclosure keeps sheep in, allows coyotes to come and go, but keeps pit bulls out.<br /><br />As for the rigor claim - this rigor mortis was determined by whom, a disinterested expert who also commented on lividity, etc.? Sheep are compact with nominal range of motion compared to other species. To the inexperienced, they could easily appear to have onset of rigor immediately after death.<br /><br />And life is so full of coincidences, isn’t it? Somebody's pit bulls get out, sheep are killed, pit bulls are found at the location... "COYOTES DID IT!" Never mind that coyotes are always about; these coyotes waited until the pit bulls were out so they could pin it on the pit bulls. Coyotes are crafty that way!<br /><br />You know what isn't a coincidence? Somebody's pit bulls get out, sheep are killed, pit bulls are found at the location, and a fucking POS pit bull owner starts heaping one fucking lie on top of another to deny responsibility. That’s not a coincidence – that’s classic pit bull owner bull shit.<br /><br />What a fucking douche bag.Dude, I BaggedYourPithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07995429035917075760noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-61433335072903203042012-07-25T10:00:38.303-07:002012-07-25T10:00:38.303-07:00Not really skeptifem. The "tight controls&quo...Not really skeptifem. The "tight controls" prevent NO experiment, do not require pain relief if it interferes with the experiment, and specifically excludes the majority of species used in research--mice, rats, birds, and farm animals.<br /><br />We can agree to disagree, but I would suggest checking out www.navs.org and www.aavs.org for a reasoned and sensible view from the other side.Packhorsehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17180571971381589396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-29098551630150442102012-07-25T08:54:38.658-07:002012-07-25T08:54:38.658-07:00Woah there snarky. There wouldn't be modern me...Woah there snarky. There wouldn't be modern medicine- including medicine used to help animals- if there was not any animal experiementation. It is literally a matter of 1 animal's welfare vs the welfare of everyone else (including future animals and people). <br /><br />There are tightly controlled protocols on using animals in research. Breeding dogs for blood sports was just a bunch of people fucking around for economic reasons. The end goal of breeding animals for bloodsports is sociopathic, the end goal of research is to help alleviate suffering. I can't compare the two when the goals, methods, and outcomes are so different.safer midwifery utahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02079353091993976425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-65606976136156273182012-07-25T07:25:13.461-07:002012-07-25T07:25:13.461-07:00pit bulls and their owners disgust me and so do re...pit bulls and their owners disgust me and so do reseachers that think its their right to experiment on animals , supposedly for the betterment of mankind . thats partly how pit bulls came about , mankind fucking around with things they shouldnt . sorry doctors , all over who feel entitled to do shit for the glory and good of mankind.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-73566871102169810472012-07-25T06:20:42.344-07:002012-07-25T06:20:42.344-07:00Sputnik: I think that I read on his blog that he ...Sputnik: I think that I read on his blog that he came to the US when he was a small boy. I might be wrong about that, though.Miss Margohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09738133130130308032noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-90689367742975500622012-07-25T05:12:53.240-07:002012-07-25T05:12:53.240-07:00Here's another laugher from our friend Andrew:...Here's another laugher from our friend Andrew:<br /><br />"My advocacy for these dogs comes the heart."<br /><br />Which tells us that Andrew needs to start using that thing up above his eyebrows. It's generally referred to as the brain. And it's quite useful in thinking.Your Quiet Neighborhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15865179687268241220noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-71308406041218734092012-07-25T04:38:39.798-07:002012-07-25T04:38:39.798-07:00I would also be very -- but I mean very -- interes...I would also be very -- but I mean very -- interested to know what generation 'American' Rozsa is. <br /><br />I feel I have a right to ask this question due to being second-generation American myself, thus understanding what it is to carry another culture in our make-up.Alexandrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15459347524558238547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-83314844357311626182012-07-25T04:20:53.224-07:002012-07-25T04:20:53.224-07:00@ me: The man is pathetic. It's kind of a ridd...@ me: The man is pathetic. It's kind of a riddle to me why some here are taking so much trouble to argue with him, unless as a kind of note-taking and practice for when y'all meet less pathetic and clearly sociopathic adversaries? <br /><br />For clarity, I meant, less pathetic and less clearly sociopathic....Alexandrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15459347524558238547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-87090752397089591982012-07-25T04:16:15.849-07:002012-07-25T04:16:15.849-07:00Vintage, this sociopath is not a doctoral level an...Vintage, this sociopath is not a doctoral level animal behaviorist. He's apparently (unfortunately) a clinical psychologist and 'psychobiologist' (whatever that may be?), specialized in pain problems in humans. <br /><br />http://www.southernpain.com/OurStaff.asp<br /><br />IF his understanding of neurology and the genetics thereof were adequate, and if he weren't a sociopath, he'd be campaigning to ban all the pit-type dogs due to their genetic brain problems, which have been well documented at this point in the scientific lit. Not that exactly understanding the genetics and neurology matters in light of statistics, but you know, he's not even up on stuff in his SUPPOSED field of expertise. <br /><br />The man is pathetic. It's kind of a riddle to me why some here are taking so much trouble to argue with him, unless as a kind of note-taking and practice for when y'all meet less pathetic and clearly sociopathic adversaries? <br /><br />And for the skilled animal trainers among us: Dontcha know that attention is a very strong reinforcement for (undesired) behaviors? Dontcha realize that the more you argue with this sociopath, the more he feels his weeny growing, and the more he'll keep letting his penis-surrogates, sorry, I mean pit bulls, kill neighboring sheep? <br /><br />Someone should send this idiot a free month's supply of Viagra. That would be more enlightening (as far as solving the problem he EVIDENTLY has) than arguing with him here in words.Alexandrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15459347524558238547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-40524410470634095902012-07-25T03:28:47.784-07:002012-07-25T03:28:47.784-07:00I think the lesson here is that if a "Doctora...I think the lesson here is that if a "Doctoral Level Animal Behaviorist" can't safely contain Pit Bulls, no one can.<br /><br />Pit owners are threats to themselves, their families and everyone around them. This has been proven time and time and time again, going all the way back to John P. Colby.vintagehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01572542359054820579noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-59962916325977268372012-07-24T22:06:51.189-07:002012-07-24T22:06:51.189-07:00wondering how the male mutant buggered his ligamen...wondering how the male mutant buggered his ligaments , if it was in gladiator training , left on the treadmill or made to go too fast or the gator rope swing exersize. seen pits doing this and it sucks . seen idiots getting their pits to chew up pieces of wood and it just shows what these FUCKING things were made for .Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com