tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post2151884155695386986..comments2024-03-10T10:40:12.454-07:00Comments on craven desires: Holiday Season Pit Nutter Expose: Robert Shapiro's Social Tees Animal Rescuescurrilous amateur bloggerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00575387156203723911noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-36978949749492603672012-01-10T06:59:14.220-08:002012-01-10T06:59:14.220-08:00FIVE LOUSY SHOTS?!?!?
i was expecting to read the...FIVE LOUSY SHOTS?!?!?<br /><br />i was expecting to read they both emptied their magazines in the ugly thing. WTF? the dog was still alive after THREE! then at the end of this story, the gothamist links to a trenton pit bull who survived a shot to the head. WTF?!<br /><br />WHY do people want to be cops?scurrilous amateur bloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00575387156203723911noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-46902480504188433722012-01-10T01:04:46.132-08:002012-01-10T01:04:46.132-08:00Looks like the Mayor's Animaul Alliance is in ...Looks like the Mayor's Animaul Alliance is in control:<br /><br />http://gothamist.com/2012/01/05/nypd_officer_docked_10_vacation_day.phpAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-72882619506102070552011-12-16T04:57:56.461-08:002011-12-16T04:57:56.461-08:00The best part of this is that the Mayor's Alli...The best part of this is that the Mayor's Alliance will traffic, pilfer, launder $25 Million to these organizations from ASPCA and Maddie's Fund.<br /><br />The kicker is they only receive money when they adopt out the dog...So the City is incentivizing them not to euthanize.<br /><br />See them Manhatten A/C shelter story I posted earlier.<br /><br />NYC has paid out big judgements to Pit mauling victims...Sue them early and sue them often!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-58880462984065682242011-12-14T19:24:41.437-08:002011-12-14T19:24:41.437-08:00Hi Skeptifem! Thrilled you read this post; I love...Hi Skeptifem! Thrilled you read this post; I love your blog. Thanks for your thoughts. <br /><br /> Obviously, Nader spearheaded the seatbelt advocacy in the 1960s. The political climate was different then--LBJ Great Society liberalism was about to hit it big. I did not live during this time period, but as a grad student in policy studies, I am skeptical that Nader would have had such success today. I could be wrong. <br /><br /> Regulating the car industry is easy--and people can get behind it because it was Ford Pintos which were bad and threatening, not ALL cars or manufacturers. Everyone knew where the dangerous cars were coming from. It was an easy target for gov't interventions. <br /> Regulating dogs would be much, much more difficult. The existing bureaucracy--mostly ACOs and the police, to a lesser extent--is not equipped to handle it. And it would require regulating individual behavior--assholes breeding pits in the backyard, people taking in strays, on and on, you know the issues. It's hard for the Feds to crack down on citizens--at that level. That's why they often devolve program implementation to the state/local level. <br /> <br /> Also, as we all know: people are very emotional about their dogs. Feds try to regulate BSL and the dog breeding community and a lot of dog lovers will go totally apeshit and they will never stop. "The feds regulating our pets! WHAT NEXT?! COMMUNISM! VEGANISM!" <br /><br /> On that note, no Prez is gonna want to be known as the "Dogcatcher Prez" if/when this fails in Congress. No matter how reasonable or necessary such legislation may be. They gotta run for re-election. Can you picture the adversarial campaign commericals? "Prez was concerned with dogs...WHEN COUNTRY WAS (going to hell in handcart/insert national tragedy here)!" <br /><br /> IMO, BSL is going to be a local struggle, at the municipal level. City by city, maybe county by county. That's the way our government structure here in the USA works, for better or for worse. In France, one could ban pit bulls and it would work, mostly. Not here. Too many layers of gov't. <br /><br /> Sorry, I don't mean to be Debbie Downer. I wish Obama would sign this legislative bill tomorrow. But it will never happen. <br /><br /> I think it'll have to happen as Vintage has said--Sue early, sue often, punish them and make it socially acceptable. The victims, unfortunately, are going to have to eat the shit and pay the cost for this in advocacy and lawyer's fees. It is heinously unfair.Ro Martinethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05773162929408671789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-37270413688317095572011-12-13T16:32:36.567-08:002011-12-13T16:32:36.567-08:00skeptifem, a brilliant analogy to nader, car safet...skeptifem, a brilliant analogy to nader, car safety and auto industry.<br /><br />i could be wrong, i don't follow laws very closely but ontario banned them a few years ago. the existing pits were grandfathered in and i think they have to be spayed/neutered and muzzled, maybe microchipped. i don't think any other province has BSL. <br /><br />i just checked dogsbite.org for <a href="http://www.dogsbite.org/dogsbite-search-results.php?cx=003395341087663039786%3Aze_5rreyew4&cof=FORID%3A11&ie=UTF-8&q=canada&sa.x=0&sa.y=0" rel="nofollow">canada info</a>.scurrilous amateur bloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00575387156203723911noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-76314705429635975162011-12-13T13:48:27.091-08:002011-12-13T13:48:27.091-08:00I thought they did because cesar millan asked for ...I thought they did because cesar millan asked for an exception to be made during a visit...it could have just been wherever he was visiting inside canada though.<br /><br />I know that ralph nader managed to create consumer protection laws that worked nationally. Maybe I should look into him? He got seatbelts required in cars, despite a lot of push back from the auto industry. The pitbull lobby looks pretty weak compared to american automobile manufacturers of the 60's... either way, the local solutions aren't working. The pit nutters outnumber victims, and it is bullshit because the stakes involved are much higher for victims than pit nutters.safer midwifery utahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02079353091993976425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-43683232935272259602011-12-13T09:41:21.774-08:002011-12-13T09:41:21.774-08:00i don't know much about canada but i don't...i don't know much about canada but i don't think they have national BSL. does anyone else have this information?scurrilous amateur bloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00575387156203723911noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-74928861103687949482011-12-13T09:14:19.545-08:002011-12-13T09:14:19.545-08:00God, this really shows that there needs to be some...God, this really shows that there needs to be some kind of federal regulation. Around here in Best Friends territory there is a constant battle where pits are banned or unbanned and hearings are going on all over the place but little actually gets done. Does anyone know how canada managed to get national BSL put into place? Another weird thing is how everyone sees local stories of pit bull maulings but little is said on the national scale, even when really severe killings occur.safer midwifery utahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02079353091993976425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-73201357140589107002011-12-13T01:08:37.243-08:002011-12-13T01:08:37.243-08:00GREAT PIT BULL DOG SHOW MOMENTS IN HISTORY:
Febru...GREAT PIT BULL DOG SHOW MOMENTS IN HISTORY:<br /><br />February 23, 1895, Westminster Dog Show, New York City:<br /><br />"Some of the bulldogs and Bull Terriers had metal screens in front of them so spectators would not be bitten"<br /><br />* Note: This is the last known instance of the Pit Bull Community actually regulating themselves.<br /><br />http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=F40C10FC3B5E10738DDDAA0A94DA405B8585F0D3<br /><br /><br />** Disclaimer...You can't make this stuff up!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-77359168935301252312011-12-10T00:02:22.493-08:002011-12-10T00:02:22.493-08:00RO,
The Pit-peddlers love to claim BSL never work...RO,<br /><br />The Pit-peddlers love to claim BSL never works and NYC is a perfect example of how that is a lie. 1988 after 389 Pit attacks, Mayor Koch managed to pass a Pit Bull ban on new Pitties in NYC. In 1991, the AKC and ADOA succesfully sued and had the ban thrown out.<br /><br />In 2011, pitties are on pace for 1000 attacks on city residents. Now a co-dependent industry of dog fighters, pit breeders and Pit Rescue industry flourishes...all tax and liability free!<br /><br />Mauling victims be damned....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-85680561076329179112011-12-09T17:00:01.419-08:002011-12-09T17:00:01.419-08:00FYI....50% off sale on wiggle butts.
http://www.k...FYI....50% off sale on wiggle butts.<br /><br />http://www.kval.com/news/consumertips/Pit-bulls-half-price-at-animal-shelter-135284628.htmlDubVhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14367764785422714196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-4156107510649051632011-12-08T07:23:16.641-08:002011-12-08T07:23:16.641-08:00Hi everyone!
Thanks so much for your kind words ab...Hi everyone!<br />Thanks so much for your kind words about this article. I really appreciate it.<br />Vintage, I, too, am amazed that this shit is even legal...and what is even more jaw-dropping is the fact that Social Tees is tax-exempt and is (partially) publicly funded through the Mayor's Alliance. A totally well-intentioned program (Mayor's alliance) being exploited and gamed by objectionable minority interests. <br /><br />I've been trying to go to Social Tees and do a census of the dogs there, counting the pit bulls, but for the last two weeks they've been in the process of moving from their location at 4th St. to a new place a few blocks away on 2nd. This prevented me from going.<br /><br />I can say, though, that I originally went to Social Tees with the intention of volunteering--"No Kill" is great IN THEORY, yes? However, shortly thereafter I discovered Dogsbite.org and then Craven Desires, and I became very concerned about the pit bulls at Social Tees. Every time I've been there, pits were at least 2/3rds of the dogs population. Where'd the pit bulls come from..? WHO KNOWS. How'd they end up at the shelter (history of aggression? Snapping at kids? Eating the cat?)...? WHO KNOWS. Adopted or fostered to whom...? WHO KNOWS. <br /><br />As Snack said, the streets are very congested here, and the population density is very high. Lots of kids, babies in strollers, people walking their dogs. I couldn't fathom walking a Social Tees pit bull down the street (with it's "Adopt Me!" vest on, no less) and risk it biting someone or their pet. Huge liability, and it's just morally indefensible. <br /><br />On that note, I am very skeptical that Shapiro's written contract absolving him of liability in the event that one of his fostered dogs bites something would hold up in court. Just because you say "I'm not responsible, do you concur?" doesn't mean that you are, in fact, responsible. <br /><br />Another thing that concerns me is that I doubt Shapiro contacts the landlords of the people who adopt or foster his dogs. A ton of people are renters in NYC, and many landlords do not accept dogs in their apts, especially larger ones, and especially pit bulls. Apartments here are often VERY small and primitive--the idea of encountering an aggressive pit bull on the stairs or in the lobby is totally hair-raising. Jesus, there's just no space to get away...<br /><br />Dawn, I can't believe I neglected to include that quote about the estimated damages pit bulls have done in Tompkins Square Park! Argh, it's a good one--I'll try to edit the draft later today to include it. <br /><br />Social Tees sucks bigtime. I'm all for saving animals--who isn't?--but Shapiro's practices are dangerous and the guy is a LIAR. A deliberate liar.<br /><br />Thanks again. Will check in later.Ro Martinethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05773162929408671789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-39492241176544913942011-12-08T03:04:12.477-08:002011-12-08T03:04:12.477-08:00Meanwhile, out in California where they have had 2...Meanwhile, out in California where they have had 20 Pit Bull DBBRs since 2005:<br /><br />http://www.contracostatimes.com/news/ci_19457578<br /><br />Apparently, this dog trainer got his certificate out of a crackerjack box.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-42997876940700783552011-12-07T13:03:14.419-08:002011-12-07T13:03:14.419-08:00Fantastic muckraking Ro Martinet! Of course, now ...Fantastic muckraking Ro Martinet! Of course, now I want to beat my head against a wall...<br /><br />I am flabbergasted. I just recently visited NYC and walked through Washington Square Park and saw how crowded that dog park and the streets in the vicinity were and I can picture the horror of Mack Daddy's assault in those crowded streets and just floors me.<br /><br />it makes me sick to think they are IMPORTING dangerous dogs to NYC that could be walking in those crowded streets. In the short time I was there I only saw one pit bull, and I could not believe anyone would be so irresponsible to just own one in the city.<br /><br />This story is just unbelievable. <br /><br />And it all comes down to being free of any accountability. I don't know how Shapiro can live with himself. (great pic, btw, with the creepy eyes). He just flat out lies that only 1% of his rescue is about pit bulls - I bet he's aware of more maulings his bullies have done if he's trying to hide the fact that he's the #1 Bully rescue on the east coast.<br /><br />And about what Vintage said about these maulers taking resources from actual normal loving dogs that die - these people are incapable of doing the math. On that Urgent Part 2 facebook page there is one pit bull named Nena that was described as very sweet that got put down and there's 129 comments about weeping and asking "how?" and "why?" and suggesting "making kill shelters illegal". <br /><br /> Now, I'm not for rescuing any pit bull, but I'd much rather Nena be walking around than Randy and all these other maulers you've found and that they're frantically trying to save. But these morons can't figure out that when you fill rescues' and fosters' and adopters' cages and homes with the dangerous pit bulls that take months to "rehabilitate" and adopt out, Nena gets put down, not to mention the sweet normal dogs.<br /><br />This is a great insider's expose Ro, Thank you so much and hope to hear more from you!<br /><br />And Dawn, that link you provided to Garrett Russo's statements is absolutely amazing. He is in a position to have fairly good numbers, and that disparity is both insane and predictable. Why would anyone walk their normal dog anywhere near Shapiro's rescue and that dog run? sheesh.Small Survivorshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05150912262473853541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-69094284215200122012011-12-07T01:38:24.005-08:002011-12-07T01:38:24.005-08:00It is amazing that this is even legal...and anothe...It is amazing that this is even legal...and another Poster child for BSL since they won't regulate themselves.<br /><br />An update on Frankie Flora who OutofthePits helped get a trip to the Whitehouse:<br /><br />http://www.frankiefund.com/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-77982723092378817502011-12-06T22:56:21.618-08:002011-12-06T22:56:21.618-08:00the honor and privilege is mine ro. this is an out...the honor and privilege is mine ro. this is an outstanding expose and what i hope is the first of many contributions.<br /><br />shapiro's dangerous antics needs to be brought to the attention of the mayor. they should not be funding vicious dogs.<br /><br />it is nice to see OUT OF THE PITS involved with this nutter. cyclona kristi, what do you think of CYD CROSS'S responsible org now?<br /><br />visit <a href="http://www.outofthepits.org/" rel="nofollow">out of the pits</a> and see if you can find the pit bull.<br /><br />and kudos to reality based dog trainer Garrett Russo for just saying NO to the nutter kool aid:<br /><a href="http://www.dnainfo.com/20111121/lower-east-side-east-village/east-village-pit-bull-attacks-raise-questions" rel="nofollow">I estimate Medical & Veterinary bills related to injuries caused by pitbulls in the Tompkins Square dog run in 2011, $140,000.00. Estimated Medical & Verterinary bills from all other breeds and mixed breeds combined during the same period, $5,000.00. (Estimate gathered from reports to by owners to the dog park association.)</a>scurrilous amateur bloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00575387156203723911noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-77250736096400326612011-12-06T20:04:58.041-08:002011-12-06T20:04:58.041-08:00Out of the Pits? The rescue that placed the pit t...Out of the Pits? The rescue that placed the pit that nearly killed Frankie Flora? Interesting....april 29https://www.blogger.com/profile/01377958791525950902noreply@blogger.com