tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post4530342956694025377..comments2024-03-10T10:40:12.454-07:00Comments on craven desires: a pit bull odysseyscurrilous amateur bloggerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00575387156203723911noreply@blogger.comBlogger76125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-65441864740812069842013-07-20T00:33:22.312-07:002013-07-20T00:33:22.312-07:00"Anyone else disturbed that she used "I&..."Anyone else disturbed that she used "I" 95 frickin' times in her defeated Nutter treatise?"<br /><br />I (oops) didn't notice that it was used too often. It was a long post and so you'd have to look at the number of uses per total work count, I suppose. As someone else pointed out, she was very explicitly telling the story in first person.DubVhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14367764785422714196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-12198177880246753762013-07-20T00:23:29.868-07:002013-07-20T00:23:29.868-07:00"As far as Caucasian mountain dogs, (Caucasia..."As far as Caucasian mountain dogs, (Caucasian Ovcharka aka Caucasian Shepherd) they are not for everyone, but a CO most definitely does love people. A very small set of people, or one person, with whom he has bonded, and he don't much care for anyone else - they are a lot like chihuahuas in that way, and that's one of the qualities that make COs excellent guard dogs."<br /><br />I disagree that a breed can generally like people, yet, only like a very small subset of all possible people. A dog that only likes 4 people doesn't really like people in the way that "people" would be applied in that context.DubVhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14367764785422714196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-5410389471913793302013-07-20T00:21:35.617-07:002013-07-20T00:21:35.617-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.DubVhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14367764785422714196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-67552772751414818152013-07-20T00:09:27.575-07:002013-07-20T00:09:27.575-07:00Snack,
I think that this:
" but we never he...Snack,<br /><br />I think that this:<br /><br />" but we never hear about these stories publicly because of the very vocal army of morons who will tell anyone who gives up they're a horrible person or, if they wait until after an attack, that they're an irresponsible owner."<br /><br />is a very important observation.<br /><br />What strikes me is that nutters will drone on about media hype/conspiracy yet state you are crazy when it is pointed out how their group tends to behave. DubVhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14367764785422714196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-44990802520815887572013-07-19T23:35:40.871-07:002013-07-19T23:35:40.871-07:00I really enjoyed SKY's description of how to s...I really enjoyed SKY's description of how to spot a good dog.<br /><br />If someone is intellectually and psychologically normal, and has many dogs to choose from in a shelter, then, I hope, they would naturally gravitate towards dogs of SKY's description. Perhaps this is why people with common sense tend to have safe dogs?<br /><br />Non-nutters can interact with several dogs for a period of time and, without being expert, can generally pick out those that are most likely to be trustworthy. And those dogs fit the description SKY gave. They are friendly and attentive in a gentle manner.<br /><br />What strikes me is how similar this sorting is to how most people identify other people with which they would like to associate. And this puts a fine point on why antisocial behavior is so common in die hard bully breed owners.<br /><br />So, most of our human ancestors valued a set of traits in other humans like sociability and gentleness. They would tend to like non-human animals with similar traits. The enterprise of dog domestication followed this outline. And now we find that dogs with traits that most people find appealing on some visceral level also, quite handily, end up being the most stable and safe dogs.<br /><br />It really seems like perfect set up, if nutters were like most people.DubVhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14367764785422714196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-45414856708796573352013-07-19T22:57:08.643-07:002013-07-19T22:57:08.643-07:00I'm sorry for the writer and her family.
I wa...I'm sorry for the writer and her family.<br /><br />I was especially moved by the following:<br /><br />"The only thing lurking beneath his surface is more him.. the same him you see."<br /><br />My dog is that type of dog, and I hope to be that type of person.<br /><br />and <br /><br />" In some primal way, it is like we had a murderer living in our attic, stealing our food, and we never knew it until we heard him on the stairs. The police may have caught him in time, but I still feel violated. We loved that dog, we cried for her, we gave her structure, time, patience. We trusted her. And in the end, she betrayed us all, she told us as clearly as if she had spoken that she would come for us when she was ready. And I think about those other poor morons, the ones hugging their doll's-eyes dogs. The ones who don't see the nearly indefinable danger, who don't feel that undercurrent pulling them down. The women in the SUVs, with their prettied up pitties, who wear bandanas that say 'kiss-a-bul' or something else grotesquely dangerous. Maybe they don't want to lie, when they see the signs. Maybe, like me, they just don't want to be the one who sent that sad old pit dog back to the shelter, who work so hard to balance it all that they can't -can't- admit they made a mistake. They don't hear the footsteps on the stairs. They don't call the police. And by the time they realize who they have, he's already in the livingroom blocking the tv."<br /><br />This last one is making me want to look over my shoulder while I type this!<br />DubVhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14367764785422714196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-6615780387374827002013-07-17T15:01:41.654-07:002013-07-17T15:01:41.654-07:00@Branwyne: "If I adopted a dog that ended up ...@Branwyne: "If I adopted a dog that ended up showing that level of aggression toward other dogs, with the size and strength of a pit bull, it would have to go back to the shelter."<br /><br />Me, I'd choose to have it put down myself, knowing that a shelter would re-home it to someone more idiotic, so it could go on to kill lots of people's other dogs. Alexandrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15459347524558238547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-76303784915971618662013-07-17T12:15:31.056-07:002013-07-17T12:15:31.056-07:00Dawn this was obviously aimed at your prior post, ...Dawn this was obviously aimed at your prior post, lol no grippers anywhere but true working breeds where they can fulfill their genetic imperative in the environment appropriate to them.tropical stormshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00801723382664621739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-16458884922419004852013-07-17T12:08:03.402-07:002013-07-17T12:08:03.402-07:00^^ True. If I lived in a vast, largely unpopulated...^^ True. If I lived in a vast, largely unpopulated region they would be high on my short list. They are absolutely not urban, suburban or neighborhood dogs. The needs for which a working breed was created frequently is dependent on the environment. They're great dogs in the right places.tropical stormshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00801723382664621739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-72078315478542075692013-07-17T12:07:12.906-07:002013-07-17T12:07:12.906-07:00i think the overwhelming majority of people are no...i think the overwhelming majority of people are not dog savvy. <br /><br />regarding the % of grippers sent back to shelters or passed on to others, i would love to know that figure. it seems like 50% of the pit bulls around me, don't last long, maybe a year. three mutants around me have been here over 4 years. all 3 of the canine psychopaths have "criminal" records and are on the radar of LE.scurrilous amateur bloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00575387156203723911noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-26820756401095284972013-07-17T12:00:15.262-07:002013-07-17T12:00:15.262-07:00having a caucasian ovtcharka as a pet is like driv...having a caucasian ovtcharka as a pet is like driving a hummer to the grocery store. CO ownership should be restricted to sheep ranches the same as military assault vehicles should be restricted to military personnel.scurrilous amateur bloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00575387156203723911noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-9385376668256826412013-07-17T10:21:00.165-07:002013-07-17T10:21:00.165-07:00I don't know of any other pronouns she could h...I don't know of any other pronouns she could have used writing HER story.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-14994974912533527282013-07-17T09:58:28.450-07:002013-07-17T09:58:28.450-07:00Wow. Talk about coming back from the dark side. ...Wow. Talk about coming back from the dark side. A lot of her statements bear scrutiny, but I'll let it go, because it does seem like she had an aha moment. Yet I still get the feeling that she is playing the fence, being PC, on the inherent dangers of pit bulls.<br /><br />But this statement: " I certainly can't bring back my birds, no matter how much I regret it. "<br /><br />So, the beast killed her chickens, and the response was to crate, etc. That should have been the ultimate defining moment, the aha moment. But too many people see that as dogs being dogs. Opalinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11392062598452038560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-83962389806737869902013-07-17T02:01:39.647-07:002013-07-17T02:01:39.647-07:00Anyone else disturbed that she used "I" ...Anyone else disturbed that she used "I" 95 frickin' times in her defeated Nutter treatise?<br /><br />Hard to believe one doesn't know the danger of inviting the Dogmen of Stafford into their home at this point...<br /><br />Just sayin'vintagehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01572542359054820579noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-8205780407023381492013-07-17T00:08:32.050-07:002013-07-17T00:08:32.050-07:00ugly little dog, doesn't start fights but will...ugly little dog, doesn't start fights but will finish them. <br /><br />looks like it might be staffy bull mix.<br />scurrilous amateur bloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00575387156203723911noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-11778413353948873462013-07-16T16:16:35.591-07:002013-07-16T16:16:35.591-07:00Which is why dogfighters kept them on chains in a ...Which is why dogfighters kept them on chains in a dog yard and kept so few as house dogs. That should be a lesson in itself. tropical stormshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00801723382664621739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-7341203161142437082013-07-16T16:12:23.278-07:002013-07-16T16:12:23.278-07:00which is most dangerous mutant ? the one on a cha...<br /> which is most dangerous mutant ? the one on a chain , snapping and snarling , that even a three year old can see and fear for what it is , or the nanny dog mutant that has been trained to give kisses and to tolerate being ridden and used as a pillow and a plaything ? i think the answer to that is in the number of attacks that involve "good family oriententated pits that never hurt anyone or anything before" as long as idiots and dingbats think that "its all the owner and no dogs are bad " these nanny dog attacks will continue and even increase . years ago ppl had more effing sense to think these dogs were cool and safe . now we are in the minority .Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-17539753447011268462013-07-16T13:20:11.307-07:002013-07-16T13:20:11.307-07:00"Ditch the zero and get a canine hero, woman!... "Ditch the zero and get a canine hero, woman!"<br /><br />Love it, Miss Margo!<br /><br />I think rescues prey on people like your friend, who don't have a lot of dog experience. For those of us who grew up loving a "normal" dog, and who are surrounded by family members who own normal dogs, it becomes obvious to us very quickly when a dog falls outside what is acceptable behavior for a pet. If you have no frame of reference, you may just believe that owning a dog is this much work. If I adopted a dog that ended up showing that level of aggression toward other dogs, with the size and strength of a pit bull, it would have to go back to the shelter. Life's too short to live with a dog that makes me unhappy or stresses me out, there are a million dogs out there who would thrive in a home like mine. <br /><br />I think folks like your friend just have a warped view of what a companion dog should be.Branwyne Finchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14314620851450710984noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-37736826273239223422013-07-16T11:30:06.573-07:002013-07-16T11:30:06.573-07:00@anon 11:02 -
Yep, that guy has a lot of dog on ...@anon 11:02 - <br /><br />Yep, that guy has a lot of dog on his hands, maybe too much for him. Notice how he always had the extreme dog du jour? (first it was the dobermans, then it was the german shepherds, then it was the rottweilers...)<br /><br />His protector acts like the military type CO, not the mountain type. The mountain type is more of a generic LSG while the military type was bred by the Russian military to be more trainable and more aggressive towards intruders. <br /><br />At any rate, the bottom line for me is that we don't have a CO problem. We have a pit bull problem.<br /><br />I'm not so concerned with big dogs that could potentially be dangerous as with dogs that are being hyped and promoted as "family safe" while committing horrific attacks on a daily basis.<br />Jakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00482549578598366599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-68773091177300995302013-07-16T11:02:14.039-07:002013-07-16T11:02:14.039-07:00Miss Margo-yeah, I lost a friend of 12 years after...Miss Margo-yeah, I lost a friend of 12 years after trying to tell her she should not have a pit bull around her grandkids. <br /><br />Jake: Dogs who are dog aggressive ARE a danger to people: http://dogbitelaw.com/dangerous-vicious-dogs/a-propensity-to-attack-other-dogs-means-a-dog-is-dangerous-to-people.html<br /><br />"they may tend to be aggressive towards strangers but you'll never hear of a CO killing his owner"-If it kills its owner I don't care. It's everyone else who didn't choose to have a 180 pound dog with a serious hate for people next door I'm worried about. Take a look at this video and tell me how this situation is going to end up well: http://thedogsnobs.com/2013/06/15/owner-profile-in-over-their-head-ignoramus/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-43374673306877691552013-07-16T10:02:44.950-07:002013-07-16T10:02:44.950-07:00My friend whom I mentioned upthread, who unwitting...My friend whom I mentioned upthread, who unwittingly adopted a black pit-mix, never owned a dog before. She has a Master's degree and a great job, but naive about dogs. She just wanted something athletic that could go jogging and hiking with her and her boyfriend.<br /><br />What makes me furious is that the shelter LIED to her. SHOCKER, I know. They said he was good with other dogs. He's not. They said he was good with cats. He's not. She can't take him jogging, because when he sees another dog, she has to stop.<br /><br />"Black-lab mix." Uh-huh.<br /><br />She has invested so much time and money into him that she's committed to keeping him. And I'm like, the dog is a loser! He's a dangerous pain in the ass! Ditch the zero and get a canine hero, woman! It's not like you had a disabled kid whom you love and have to alter your life and make sacrifices for. This relationship with your dog should be reciprocal. My FISH contribute more to my life than your dog. They are pretty and it is soothing to watch them swim to and fro.<br /><br />I want to send her to Dogsbite, but I'm afraid that it will cause a serious argument between us. "How dare you suggest that buddy could eat my face?"<br /><br />Sorry, I'm just venting. I really am worried, but there is nothing I can do. Miss Margohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09738133130130308032noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-27576047794328884352013-07-16T09:54:17.297-07:002013-07-16T09:54:17.297-07:00@Branwyne -
According to Merritt Clifton, the ave...@Branwyne -<br /><br />According to Merritt Clifton, the average shelter pit is re-homed 3 times before being put down at taxpayer expense, if memory serves.Jakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00482549578598366599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-7562110084212078882013-07-16T09:42:55.180-07:002013-07-16T09:42:55.180-07:00@anon 8:03 -
I agree with your point about bully ...@anon 8:03 -<br /><br />I agree with your point about bully breeds, but their main aggression is towards animals. Their attacks on people are are dwarfed by the number of attacks on animals. Even so, pit bulls at around 5% of the dog population manage to maim and kill more humans than the other 95% of dogs combined. <br /><br />As far as Caucasian mountain dogs, (Caucasian Ovcharka aka Caucasian Shepherd) they are not for everyone, but a CO most definitely does love people. A very small set of people, or one person, with whom he has bonded, and he don't much care for anyone else - they are a lot like chihuahuas in that way, and that's one of the qualities that make COs excellent guard dogs.<br /><br />COs don't really have much prey drive; their aggression is defensive in nature, unlike that of a pit bull. While a CO will guard his territory tenaciously, a pit bull will go roaming, looking for something to attack. <br /><br />Say what you will about COs - they may tend to be aggressive towards strangers but you'll never hear of a CO killing his owner, and that's a huge difference from pit bulls.<br />Jakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00482549578598366599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-15869416236495529302013-07-16T08:30:08.782-07:002013-07-16T08:30:08.782-07:00This thread got me to thinking....I wonder how man...This thread got me to thinking....I wonder how many adopted pit bulls end up being returned to the shelter/rescue? I wonder how many adopted pit bulls are with the owner that adopted them three years later? <br /><br />I don't think the majority of rescue/shelters keep track of their dogs, and they certainly wouldn't be keeping track of them by breed, since that would reflect poorly on pit bulls. I am willing to bet that most pit bulls adopted out are no longer with that same owner three years later. Either returned to the shelter for behavioral problems, given away to family or friends, sold on Craigslist, dumped at another open-admission shelter, etc. <br /><br />I think the profile of most pit bull owners seems to be that they are typically very young people, in their 20's, who tend to be transient and not home owners. I think also the types of folks who walk into a shelter an adopt a pit bull tend to be inexperienced dog owners, impulsive people who don't really have a lot of experience with dogs. <br /><br />I think that the profile of the typical pit bull adopter, combined with the fact that so many of these dogs have serious behavior issues....most notably dangerous levels of aggression toward people and/or other dogs, but also destructiveness, extreme strength and high energy, being difficult to train and physically control....would mean that very few of these dogs end up in permanent homes.Branwyne Finchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14314620851450710984noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-45839487369600958922013-07-16T08:28:42.938-07:002013-07-16T08:28:42.938-07:00I read the craigslist ad from Anon:
http://seattl...I read the craigslist ad from Anon:<br /><br />http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/pet/3938504184.html<br /><br />"Female not spayed pocket pit doesn't like cats good with some dogs doesn't start fights 150$"<br /><br />WTF? The "pocket pit" does not start fights. What they leave out is that this pocket pit finishes them. OMFG! What other breed puts that shit in the ad?<br /><br />Bunch of half truths and lies from the pit nutters!Rumpelstiltskinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09196255173812948303noreply@blogger.com