tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post4625326808106823569..comments2024-03-10T10:40:12.454-07:00Comments on craven desires: WANTED for chicago dine & dashscurrilous amateur bloggerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00575387156203723911noreply@blogger.comBlogger236125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-7814239112944538812012-04-18T11:05:21.918-07:002012-04-18T11:05:21.918-07:00great find rag doll.great find rag doll.scurrilous amateur bloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00575387156203723911noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-81634783721826886642012-04-18T10:46:09.267-07:002012-04-18T10:46:09.267-07:00http://www.ajc.com/news/georgia-cop-arrested-charg...http://www.ajc.com/news/georgia-cop-arrested-charged-1383469.html?cxtype=rss_newsRag Dollhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12841568265304929502noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-73670840544574784342012-04-18T09:34:18.160-07:002012-04-18T09:34:18.160-07:00Candor, I really don't appreciate this:
"...Candor, I really don't appreciate this:<br /><br />"And BB, quite bluntly, I think you are being dishonest here.<br /><br />The things you write have no biological/genetic basis and make no sense, and I believe you are pandering to the breeder crowd and their idiocy while pretending to be sympathetic. "<br /><br />Say what you will, I have been active in trying to establish legislation specific to pit bulls in my area for a very long time. However, in the last 4 or 5 years I have realized that that legislation needs to be applied to type rather than breed. Grippers rather than pits. I have my own blog, Calgary Pit Attacks, which you can have a look at if you think I am secretly sympathetic to pit bulls. <br /><br />Pit bulls are only the primary problem because pit bulls are the most numerous member of the gripping-type dog available. There is no question that ANY other gripping breed (Presa, Cane Corsos, AmBulls, etc, etc, etc) can easily be manipulated into EXACTLY what the pit is today. The genetics are nearly identical already. It is, in my humble opinion, asinine and dangerous to ignore this.<br /><br />Now, as for Labradors being bred for aggression, maybe it is a stretch but have you ever researched what the infusion of pit blood into the Malinois has accomplished in a very short span? <br /><br />To my mind, this potential suggests a need for more regulation, not less. I certainly am not pandering to breeders as I absolutely support spay/neuter laws for pit bulls. I just think that focusing on pits to the exlusion of the other grippers is archaic. It is not the breed of dog that is relevant, it is the type. This means we need more legislation and legislation focused on controlling or eliminating the breeding of all gripping type dogs - I cannot see any reason to continue to breed dogs for activities which are now illegal. I would take it further, though, and suggest that down the road we also need ongoing monitoring of breed-specific attacks of Level 4/5/6 and legislation that is flexible enought to deal with any emergence of aggressive traits within formerly less aggressive breeds. <br /><br />But heck, I can totally see how you would confuse that with suggesting that we don't bother to regulate pits or pit breeding at all. I am not going to continue this discussion here because it is pointless, in fact some number of posts ago I said that I would leave it alone so your comment was really wholly unnecessary in the first place.BBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05321575195972119974noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-36634457516587741162012-04-18T09:01:20.889-07:002012-04-18T09:01:20.889-07:00Did everyone see that this nutter was a COP!?
http...Did everyone see that this nutter was a COP!?<br />http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/11971485-418/owner-of-pit-bull-cops-were-looking-for-was-one-of-their-own.htmlJimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14621317273167895492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-62847959164807674662012-04-18T07:49:11.635-07:002012-04-18T07:49:11.635-07:00This is so much part of the problem. The quality i...This is so much part of the problem. The quality in law enforcement and related fields like animal control has gone down, and there are cops and animal control people who are pit breeders and even dog fighters.<br /><br />Where does that leave the public? In one hell of a dangerous situation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-80764773374452836912012-04-18T02:37:17.572-07:002012-04-18T02:37:17.572-07:00UPDATE:
The Pit-Perp is a Chicago Cop and has bee...UPDATE:<br /><br />The Pit-Perp is a Chicago Cop and has been suspended!<br /><br />http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/11971485-418/owner-of-pit-bull-cops-were-looking-for-was-one-of-their-own.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-59767475108834498182012-04-17T18:13:39.066-07:002012-04-17T18:13:39.066-07:00And BB, quite bluntly, I think you are being disho...And BB, quite bluntly, I think you are being dishonest here.<br /><br />The things you write have no biological/genetic basis and make no sense, and I believe you are pandering to the breeder crowd and their idiocy while pretending to be sympathetic.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-7188946864225303262012-04-17T18:10:32.229-07:002012-04-17T18:10:32.229-07:00"We glaze over the possibility that other dog..."We glaze over the possibility that other dogs can be bred to be like pits"<br /><br />I don't know where you could possibly get this idea. It simply isn't true, and to continue to believe it is delusional.<br /><br />It's taken hundreds of years to selectively produce the breeds known as pit bulls and to breed for that aggression, prey drive, and PHYSICAL BUILD and ABILITY to do that kind of damage.<br /><br />You could maybe breed some naughty labs, but they physically could not do things like rip out your flesh or rip your limbs off or throat out. And they would stop their aggression with much less counter force.<br /><br />Do you understand that it is the PHYSICAL BUILD of pit bulls- from the formation of mouth and jaws, head, to particular muscular development, etc, that in addition to the aggression and prey drive makes them what they are?<br /><br />To produce labs that do this, you would have to in essence breed pit bulls with some miniscule amount of lab in them. In other words, the pit mixes that are also maiming and killing.<br /><br />You can't turn other breeds into fighting breeds.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-16446279564997324182012-04-15T12:12:23.750-07:002012-04-15T12:12:23.750-07:00Yes BB, that quote is direct from tne ASPCA websit...Yes BB, that quote is direct from tne ASPCA website. Go to the section on dog fighting. You might also google "The care of pit bulls in the shelter environment." This is a powerpoint done in an effort to protect shelter workers from violent pit bull attacks. It was written by a veterinarian who likes pit bulls a great deal. Some of her suggestions are eye opening. It is a shame that the ASPCA has so little concern for the public that they do not make these statements openly.april 29https://www.blogger.com/profile/01377958791525950902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-71103426350558723642012-04-15T10:57:51.613-07:002012-04-15T10:57:51.613-07:00Sylvia Mifka Logan was pulling fighting breeds fro...Sylvia Mifka Logan was pulling fighting breeds from Brooklyn NY Animal Control with her friends as of early last year.<br /><br />http://www.<br />capecodtoday.com<br />/news/headlines/<br />2012/01/03/<br />mid-cape-dog-<br />rescue-under-<br />investigation-<br />2236<br /><br />So now she's in Dennis Massachusetts and claims she is getting her pit bulls from a "high kill shelter."<br /><br />There aren't any in Massachusetts.<br />So is this the Brooklyn to Massachusetts pit transport?<br /><br />The animal control officer in Dennis Ma., Lori Miranda, got complaints and went to Animal Rescue League, home of dual pitnutters and vicious dog supporters Amy Marder and Martha Smith (who themselves sell dogs they know to be violent to other animals) and they seemed to reassure her that this pit sale business was ok. So this Miranda put her seal of approval on it.<br /><br />So it looks like Lori Miranda isn't requiring this business to follow state law, so if anyone gets attacked by or gets a disease from a dog that came from Scargo Wags n Wiggles rescue of Dennis Massachusetts, have your lawyer have a chat with the city of Dennis, that apparently is letting their animal control officer collude with this.<br /><br />People really need to find out what pit dealer operations are at work in their area.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-75858047880653444182012-04-15T10:15:13.768-07:002012-04-15T10:15:13.768-07:00Diog into these pit bull rescues and it always get...Diog into these pit bull rescues and it always gets worse.<br /><br />This Scargo Wags n Wiggles Rescue was selling dogs over Craigslist and falsely posing as a charity, no paperwork filed.<br /><br />The owner is Sylvia Mitka Logan, a transplant from Brooklyn Ny to Dennis Ma, and it didn't take too long to find her recommending Colby's pit bull book as a great book online. Yes, Colby the dog fighter and breeder.<br /><br />So where are these pit bulls coming from that she is selling? Brooklyn to Mass? Is she breeding pit bulls?<br /><br />Look at the mess around this operation, and you can see where dogs are coming from that are attacking. Some insight into how these questionable "rescue" operations are being run right out of people's homes, trying to hide under the radar. It makes you wonder how much money is changing hands here. <br /><br />How is an RN affording a nearly million dollar home to sell pit bulls out of, selling them through craigslist and not a legitimate licensed business.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-21558788570936482602012-04-15T09:57:07.569-07:002012-04-15T09:57:07.569-07:00Let me correct that.
UKC allows CONVICTED dog fig...Let me correct that.<br /><br />UKC allows CONVICTED dog fighters at their events, and no one gives them the boot.<br /><br />UKC is a rotten apple from top to bottom.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-51628220887120323052012-04-15T09:54:19.157-07:002012-04-15T09:54:19.157-07:00" And again, you could exempt UKC show dogs.&..." And again, you could exempt UKC show dogs."<br /><br />That's a problem, because dog fighters show up at UKC events and no one gives them the boot.<br /><br />UKC breeders are nowhere near responsible, and the owner of UKC is clearly allowing his organization to be used by dog fighters, while giving wan denials to the public.<br /><br />They are part of the problem, at least until there is new ownership and that sideshow gets cleaned up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-7538474776039350642012-04-15T09:48:57.272-07:002012-04-15T09:48:57.272-07:00Sure enough, Wags n Wiggles Rescue in Dennis Ma h...Sure enough, Wags n Wiggles Rescue in Dennis Ma has been in trouble with the law, collecting money illegally while not registering as a charity and STILL under suspicion<br /><br />More pit dealing<br /><br />http://www.<br />capecodpets.<br />com/news289.htm<br /><br />These are the kinds of people handing out aggressive dogs that then turn around and kill your pets and even kids. "Pit nutter" here does foster care for these kinds of rescues.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-2637899509531230122012-04-15T09:38:24.323-07:002012-04-15T09:38:24.323-07:00Maybe it's the Scargo Wags and Wiggles Rescue ...Maybe it's the Scargo Wags and Wiggles Rescue in Dennis Massachusetts?<br /><br />You have to see this for complete lack of responsibility.<br /><br /><br />They only have a PO box, and they only let you meet the dogs OUTSIDE at some anonymous unknown location to basically sell the dog to you.<br /><br />This is dog dealing. This isn't rescue.<br /><br />This is transferring dogs in a parking lot from someone who won't even give their address or maybe even their real name.<br /><br />This does nothing but harm for these dogs.<br /><br />But they clearly sucker "foster homes" to harbor these dogs before they sell them to who knows who.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-57567693214632722362012-04-15T09:38:00.165-07:002012-04-15T09:38:00.165-07:00Maybe it's the Scargo Wags and Wiggles Rescue ...Maybe it's the Scargo Wags and Wiggles Rescue in Dennis Massachusetts?<br /><br />You have to see this for complete lack of responsibility.<br /><br /><br />They only have a PO box, and they only let you meet the dogs OUTSIDE at some anonymous unknown location to basically sell the dog to you.<br /><br />This is dog dealing. This isn't rescue.<br /><br />This is transferring dogs in a parking lot from someone who won't even give their address or maybe even their real name.<br /><br />This does nothing but harm for these dogs.<br /><br />But they clearly sucker "foster homes" to harbor these dogs before they sell them to who knows who.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-80037469463360281222012-04-15T09:16:03.118-07:002012-04-15T09:16:03.118-07:00BB, to see all posts, click on the individual blog...BB, to see all posts, click on the individual blog post, which loads 200 responses...then click on "Newest."<br /><br />To answer your concern, no group of breeders would bother taking a retriever and trying to make it into a guard dog/fighting dog (yes, it would take a significant group to do this), because there are plenty of guarding/fighting breeds already existing that would be easier to take from protective to full blown indiscrimiately aggressive. There are several other breeds every bit as dangerous as pit bulls out there.....but, thankfully, they are rare, and there is no current, organized PR campaign trying to convince people that Presa Canarios make great family pets. <br /><br />I don't think that any of the molossar breeds will replace the niche pit bulls have, for a variety of reasons. Their size alone makes them expensive and difficult to care for, feed, conceal from neighbors and authorities, and transport. Cane Corsos, Presas, Filas, Boarbels (sp),Dogue de Bordeux, all are plagued by the typical health problems common to giant breeds...so bybers and criminal types trying to breed them will likely end up with a bunch of dogs which are crippled with HD by the end of their first year, suffering from cherry eye, blindness, heart problems, etc.<br /><br />If we regulate the breeding of pit bull type dogs, it will send a strong message to the breeders of other dangerous breeds that they need to self police, and make sure their dogs remain RARE, and only owned by people capable of managing them. It will create a strong incentive for breeders to make sure they keep their breed out of the headlines. If they don't, then they may face the same regulations as pit bull type dogs. I don't think many Americans have even heard of most of these breeds, so VERY few dog owners would be affected if you shut down the bybers of Boerbels. And again, you could exempt UKC show dogs.<br /><br />I would predict that dog fighting criminals may try to use American Bulldogs and Dogos as replacements for pit bulls, if they are not included in mandatory s/n regulation. Again, neither are particularly common, so I don't see a big public outcry. UKC show breeders could be exempted from regulation, so there wouldn't really be a problem.Branwyne Finchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14314620851450710984noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-11943307500805967882012-04-15T03:35:47.989-07:002012-04-15T03:35:47.989-07:00"United Animal Owners Alliance"
Puppy m..."United Animal Owners Alliance"<br /><br />Puppy mills and dog fighters.<br /><br />A version of<br /><br />http://www.<br />sourcewatch.<br />org/index.php?<br />title=National_<br />Animal_Interest_<br />AllianceAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-29472223532624968362012-04-15T03:30:25.655-07:002012-04-15T03:30:25.655-07:00No 40 year old successful business man has the tim...No 40 year old successful business man has the time to be "fostering" fighting dogs and fooling around with goofy girls worshipping at the altar of pit bull.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-88816685055897558302012-04-15T03:22:24.941-07:002012-04-15T03:22:24.941-07:00Pit nutter is a particular type. These guys are al...Pit nutter is a particular type. These guys are all the same. Honestly, they are like robots.<br /><br />They came from a middle class background, but didn't quite "fit in" because they have massive egos and a lack of social skills due to the fact that they are continually expressing superiority and trying to dominate and tell other people what to do.<br /><br />Unattractive, pudgy, or physically freail and wimpy. Some of them taught to hate others by their parents. Look at a picture of Nathan Winograd. One angry middle class wimp looking to take revenge by assaulting others.<br /><br />Most of them have no real relationships with other people, either women or a close male partner. They are angry but they never take responsibility for themselves and examine why people don't like them. They are unlikeable, lousy, asocial people.<br /><br />Pit nutter! a normal, secure, 40 year old educated male in the tech industry would be busy raising a family with his wife or partner, and participating in community events and busy with work. A normal, secure 40 year old male wouldn't be hanging out with strange asocial middle class women, preaching at the altar of fighting breeds and doing harm to the dogs and helping dog fighters.<br /><br />Your ego is leading you astray again.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-89398715430921350672012-04-15T03:03:54.212-07:002012-04-15T03:03:54.212-07:00As for the "pit nutter" comments here
T...As for the "pit nutter" comments here<br /><br />These people are all a certain type. I always think it is rather amusing when these oddball, outcast, egotistical strange men who have sought solace for their loneliness in the pit bull religion ramble on with the teenager speak "dunnos" and the blatant lies characterised as "common sense."<br /><br />These are the kinds of people that you change seats on the bus to get away from.<br /><br />They have now figured out they can force themselves on others using fighting breeds, and take out their anger at others by insisting that sane people allow themselves and their pets to be attacked.<br /><br />"Pit nutter" is just another dog dealer, albeit with a "holier than thou" rescue ego so he can pretend superiority in his inferiority.<br /><br />In the end, he will destroy his fairy tale when he deals a killer to the public, and is held responsible.<br /><br />The really ridiculous thing about sad fools like this is that they are only enabling the breeders and dog fighters to persecute these dogs even more. Pit nutter is too stupid and egotistical to understand even that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-4125313304174096852012-04-15T02:47:27.638-07:002012-04-15T02:47:27.638-07:00"Pit bulls, indeed, are a working dog, and th..."Pit bulls, indeed, are a working dog, and the work they were created to do is now a felony in all 50 states"<br /><br />Anyone who has even the remotest understanding of dog breeding, genetics, and canines in general knows that this is the truth.<br /><br /><br /><br />I will say, however, that regarding "responsible" Staffie breeders, when the surface is scratched, they are found to be very very irresponsible. As for New England breeders, Holly Gump springs to mind. Lots of surface preening about being "responsible," but scratch the surface and find she's on the board of NAIA with actual criminals including the puppy mill industry, and also manipulating animal control officers to protect vicious dogs. They all fail when they are really examined.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-87495354222865928502012-04-15T02:25:10.170-07:002012-04-15T02:25:10.170-07:00Yes I'm familiar with it, but I'm not sure...Yes I'm familiar with it, but I'm not sure how it relates to breeding within a species. We have been able to manipulate the external features of dogs and maintain lack of aggression (ie from a pug to a beagle to a retriever). The gripping breeds look alike, no question, but they also share the same genes - why mess with what isn't broken, while they can still have those dogs there is no drive to change their phenotype. But perhaps the appearance of a breed would change if you bred for aggression and gripping - when would a Lab with an oversized head and heavy musculature not be a Lab if it were papered? I don't think you could make that argument in the courts. <br /><br />Anyway, I won't beat a dead horse, I realize I am in the minority. This subject just eats at me and it was doing so as I went through these comments. I am never satisfied with the answers I am able to give when confronted with "they'll just breed other breeds for aggression" in the newsgroup discussions that I participate in.BBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05321575195972119974noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-35481250600390642392012-04-15T01:50:42.093-07:002012-04-15T01:50:42.093-07:00For some reason only 200 comments will load unless...For some reason only 200 comments will load unless I submit something first (then the rest show up). Sorry for these comments which don't seem to be in step with the last things said...BBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05321575195972119974noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-21866193155014899062012-04-14T23:57:58.237-07:002012-04-14T23:57:58.237-07:00google "dmitri belyaev russian fox farm exper...google "dmitri belyaev russian fox farm experiment"scurrilous amateur bloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00575387156203723911noreply@blogger.com