tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post6826820592755824629..comments2024-03-10T10:40:12.454-07:00Comments on craven desires: Pit bull backyard breeding Illinois-style: Making Man Eaters in Ledylandscurrilous amateur bloggerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00575387156203723911noreply@blogger.comBlogger89125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-48633876128379864292013-03-10T20:10:41.520-07:002013-03-10T20:10:41.520-07:00Yes, this will probably end up being a slap on the...Yes, this will probably end up being a slap on the wrist. Shame on them if that is the case.Small Survivorshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05150912262473853541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-42694305986884314782013-03-10T19:28:58.494-07:002013-03-10T19:28:58.494-07:00Here's what the 4th Class Felony is and the ma...Here's what the 4th Class Felony is and the max penalty<br /><br />730 ILCS 5/5-8-1(a)(7) provides that the term of incarceration for a Class 4 felony is ordinarily between one and three years. 730 ILCS 5/5-9-1(a)(1) ordinarily provides for fines of up to $25,000 for felonies, except that corporations may normally be fined up to $50,000. Ashley and Humble (December 2005) indicate, "Only a small proportion of those convicted of a Class 4 felony are sentenced to prison" (pp. 1-2). This is presumably due to offenders receiving suspended prison sentences and avoiding actual prison sentences through completion of terms of probation.<br /><br />References<br />Illinois General Assembly. (2008) Unified Code of Corrections. [Online] Available<br />Ashley, J. and Christopher Humble. (December 2005). Illinois Criminal Justice Authority Research BulletiJoanna in Las Vegashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13123142523867683396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-89590214792022849802013-03-10T10:41:08.024-07:002013-03-10T10:41:08.024-07:00Sorry, orangedog. Sometimes I forget it's not...Sorry, orangedog. Sometimes I forget it's not all about me. <br /><br />:(<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-51725455718041407742013-03-10T10:39:14.156-07:002013-03-10T10:39:14.156-07:00Sorry, no, LGDs don't participate in ISDS tria...<br />Sorry, no, LGDs don't participate in ISDS trials, but are often the guardians of the flocks used for such trials and on farms used for sheepdog training, so I've come across quite a few. <br /><br />Of course, all of those have been owned by folks who also owned herding border collies, so they wouldn't have survived 5 minutes on the farm if they were overly dog aggressive*, so it's very possible that my perception of LGDs is skewed. <br /><br />*That being said, I don't know anyone who'd try to herd sheep with a LGD on the field, except, perhaps, the LGD's owner. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-13633426130485259222013-03-10T09:46:28.709-07:002013-03-10T09:46:28.709-07:00I wasn't talking to you anonymous person. I wa...I wasn't talking to you anonymous person. I was talking about pit idiots in story comment sections.orangedoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05251922898197297995noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-15969358297874603562013-03-10T09:45:58.447-07:002013-03-10T09:45:58.447-07:0070dd0968-b7d2-11e1-92d9-000bcdcb5194,
if you are ...70dd0968-b7d2-11e1-92d9-000bcdcb5194,<br /><br />if you are saying that flock guardians participate in these trials, which breeds have you seen? how do they test their ability to protect against predators?scurrilous amateur bloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00575387156203723911noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-62744737159004047602013-03-10T09:30:28.454-07:002013-03-10T09:30:28.454-07:00They are trying to change are relationship with do...They are trying to change are relationship with dogs into something violent, ugly, and to be feared so that we will see Pit behavior as "normal". <br /><br />maybe they just want to share their deranged joy with the rest of the world.scurrilous amateur bloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00575387156203723911noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-81643436728308570522013-03-10T07:37:03.032-07:002013-03-10T07:37:03.032-07:00"I see red every time a nutter shrieks about ..."I see red every time a nutter shrieks about how all dogs are dangerous"<br /><br />That is not what I wrote. If that's what you read in what I wrote, I'm sorry. I actually came here yesterday to write about my trail riding experiences with running into pit bulls but was so pissed at those fucking dog fighters in the video that I had to say something. If you want to label me as a pitter because of my reaction, go for it, but fuckall, I don't know why you would.<br /><br />I can list a dozen dog breeds heavily influenced by fighters and throw rotties in too, because I don't know it they're related and NONE of which you could say was a 'safe' dog. I for one would be seriously unhappy if the neighbors decided to start breeding cane corsos next door.<br /><br />NOT saying "all dogs are dangerous" is not equal to saying "all dogs are safe".<br /><br />BSL? Yes. Too many pit bull doing too much damage. Will that make all dogs safe? No, but it would take one lethal bloodline out of the mix.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-68629835548460317882013-03-10T01:52:07.099-08:002013-03-10T01:52:07.099-08:00*should be our not are*should be our not areorangedoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05251922898197297995noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-61359154075573676192013-03-10T01:50:23.186-08:002013-03-10T01:50:23.186-08:00I see red every time a nutter shrieks about how al...I see red every time a nutter shrieks about how all dogs are dangerous. NO THEY AREN'T! They are trying to change are relationship with dogs into something violent, ugly, and to be feared so that we will see Pit behavior as "normal".orangedoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05251922898197297995noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-60880465653238865192013-03-09T16:36:19.788-08:002013-03-09T16:36:19.788-08:00@70dd0968-b7d2-11e1-92d9-000bcdcb5194: "What ...@70dd0968-b7d2-11e1-92d9-000bcdcb5194: "What I saw in the video was a dog fully engaged in killing another dog in a style ala pit bull. Lock down, don't let go, and shake with your tail a-waggin'. Oh yeah, and not letting go until someone steps in with a break stick."<br /><br />What I saw was a pit bull attacking a kangal who was standing there watching him. The kangal then quickly went into "eliminate this lethal threat" mode, which was his only realistic option.Jakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00482549578598366599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-51491677027975741962013-03-09T16:04:55.313-08:002013-03-09T16:04:55.313-08:00"Eventually pits will kill off all the normal..."Eventually pits will kill off all the normal dogs and all we will have left are pits."<br /><br />Kill off, or out breed, or some combination of both and all we're going to have left are dogs we have to "crate and rotate".<br /><br />Now I'm really in a foul mood. :(Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-4335546984971586492013-03-09T16:02:21.433-08:002013-03-09T16:02:21.433-08:00What I saw in the video was a dog fully engaged in...What I saw in the video was a dog fully engaged in killing another dog in a style ala pit bull. Lock down, don't let go, and shake with your tail a-waggin'. Oh yeah, and not letting go until someone steps in with a break stick.<br /><br />I also saw a bunch of folk, probably winning money on that fight, and a video probably used to promote Kangals as "pit killers". <br /><br />Pretty darned sure that Kangal will be used on every fighting bitch in the village. Looked like that fight was the best entertainment they had around.<br /><br />That's what I saw. You may have seen justice, I saw another generation of fighters being bred, another fighting dog strain being developed.<br /><br />Maybe I'm just a misanthrope and a pessimist, but that's what I saw.<br /><br />And please don't lecture me about LGDs, I ISDS trial my borders and I've known some very fine LGDs, thank you. All of which would only very reluctantly kill their own species.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-459578374218068312013-03-09T14:20:02.604-08:002013-03-09T14:20:02.604-08:00"And wolves are smart enough to avoid a fight..."And wolves are smart enough to avoid a fight with 1 or more dogs nearly as large as itself,"<br /><br />not always. there is a very grainy b/w video of caucasian ovtarcka killing a wolf on youtube. sometimes when wolves are desperate, they will take on a flock guardian. you can only get so hungry before you steal that loaf of bread. plus wolves are also subject to the same diseases as dogs. so a wolf with rabies or distemper will act out of their natural character.<br /><br />the people living off the grid out in the middle of nowhere who genuinely need flock guardians, do test their dogs but pitting them against another is not for fun and entertainment. it's not to the death. they have a legitimate need to game test. but the shit on this blog, that's just pure blood sport. fucking mutant dogs shouldn't even be in turkey. scurrilous amateur bloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00575387156203723911noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-14400232142824178482013-03-09T14:20:01.551-08:002013-03-09T14:20:01.551-08:00I am seeing pits everywhere now. When I drive past...I am seeing pits everywhere now. When I drive past the "poor" part of town, it's almost guaranteed that if I see a dog, it's a pit. Hyperbole: Eventually pits will kill off all the normal dogs and all we will have left are pits.orangedoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05251922898197297995noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-20493120906449037762013-03-09T12:09:35.630-08:002013-03-09T12:09:35.630-08:00DubV and Tropical Storms,
Well said. That's t...DubV and Tropical Storms,<br /><br />Well said. That's the difference between true livestock guardian breeds and pit bulls.<br /><br />Livestock guardian breeds can be dangerous, they do tend to display, but like normal dogs, they are also aware of self-preservation.<br /><br />Pit bull owners love the fact that their pits were bred to fight to the death. Sometimes that behavior is directed towards the owner.Rumpelstiltskinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09196255173812948303noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-34471325019940944432013-03-09T11:12:25.514-08:002013-03-09T11:12:25.514-08:00Flock guardian breeds are another example of purpo...Flock guardian breeds are another example of purpose bred dogs. Their preferred means of dealing with a threat is by display but if that fails they fight until the adversary leaves. Those raised in home view everyone including other pets as the flock but they still need an actual job to do. In the right circumstances they are excellent working dogs who don't eat their family members. tropical stormshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00801723382664621739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-52853698258377708622013-03-09T10:53:52.059-08:002013-03-09T10:53:52.059-08:00I'm betting the one thing LSGs don't do re...I'm betting the one thing LSGs don't do regularly is kill members of their own flock (e.g. toddlers in the home). I'd expect them to guard them instead.<br /><br />Nutters, there really is no reason to own a fighting breed.DubVhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14367764785422714196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-21500727702408767772013-03-09T10:51:40.283-08:002013-03-09T10:51:40.283-08:00" flock guardians are dangerous, they were br..." flock guardians are dangerous, they were bred to fight off wolves afterall."<br /><br />And wolves are smart enough to avoid a fight with 1 or more dogs nearly as large as itself, while pit bulls have had self-preservation bred out of them.<br /><br />This is why I'd classify them as the dumbest of all dogs, in that sense. I've known a few really dumb dogs that couldn't get out from behind the sofa by retracing their steps, but they at least knew to run from danger.DubVhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14367764785422714196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-57558058415785202712013-03-09T10:38:41.481-08:002013-03-09T10:38:41.481-08:00To the one who hates kangals, here's some more...To the one who hates kangals, here's some more fuel for your hate:<br /><br /><a href="https://vimeo.com/60354527" rel="nofollow">Livestock Guardian Dogs</a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-59178415683198958512013-03-09T10:35:08.712-08:002013-03-09T10:35:08.712-08:00@Dawn,
Those videos are from a Turkish site. In t...@Dawn,<br /><br />Those videos are from a Turkish site. In their dog fighting practices, they use other dogs besides pit bulls. Make no mistake about it, they are not nice people.<br /><br />But it's instructive to watch and see the big differences between the pit bulls and the LSGs in these videos. The pit bulls are game and want the fight, but you can see the LSGs are in most cases just not that interested in the fight, and are responding to the charging pit bull. In some of the videos the LSG keeps letting the pit bull go, and the pit bull instead keeps attacking until it is so badly injured it can't continue.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-24380829122054546642013-03-09T10:28:40.013-08:002013-03-09T10:28:40.013-08:00@70dd0968-b7d2-11e1-92d9-000bcdcb5194
If you'...@70dd0968-b7d2-11e1-92d9-000bcdcb5194<br /><br />If you're going to hate any dogs that can successfully defend themselves against a pit bull, there are a few other breeds you'll have to add as well.<br /><br />Livestock guardian dogs have been bred for and have reliably served, for hundreds of years, in the defense of herd animals against predators such as wolves, coyotes, and bears. <br /><br />In recent times, they have had to defend flocks against loose pit bulls. I only wish the owner of he alpacas had employed a couple of livestock guardian dogs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-29651813500554061172013-03-09T10:28:23.067-08:002013-03-09T10:28:23.067-08:00interesting disgusting blog. i never like to see h...interesting disgusting blog. i never like to see humans orchestrating dog fights. these are almost as bad as the "oops, i didn't teach him to do that" fights that break out "accidentally" on the streets.<br />many flock guardians are fought against each other and pit bulls. many flock guardians can kill at least some pit bulls but this is not proof that any kangal kill any pit. flock guardians are dangerous, they were bred to fight off wolves afterall.scurrilous amateur bloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00575387156203723911noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-57662788031198102982013-03-09T09:28:57.879-08:002013-03-09T09:28:57.879-08:00April 29-
I have to add that I ride in wilderness...April 29-<br /><br />I have to add that I ride in wilderness areas all the time and have for many decades. I am not afraid to encounter bears or mountain lions because I know they want to avoid me as much as I want to avoid them and chances are that they have indeed seen me more then I have seen them over all these years.<br /><br />The thought of encountering a pit bull on the bridle trail with my horse is not something I want to do. It is not worth it to me to put my horse and myself at that kind of risk. Even when on a leash we all know that in most cases they "somehow" get loose....<br /><br />PutMeInCharge4OneDayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03093945424999135876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-28279675422431193312013-03-09T07:07:46.266-08:002013-03-09T07:07:46.266-08:00Kangal?
Lovely, now I have another breed of dog to...Kangal?<br />Lovely, now I have another breed of dog to hate. There might be fine guardian Kangals out there, but that one was just another pit fighter, all the way.<br /><br />The mule was justice, that was just another example of human created suffering.<br /><br />People. Sometimes ya gotta hate 'em.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com