tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post8382318873034521770..comments2024-03-10T10:40:12.454-07:00Comments on craven desires: BadRap Advocate Killed by Her Own Pit Bullscurrilous amateur bloggerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00575387156203723911noreply@blogger.comBlogger42125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-32498308215667098522011-08-23T07:31:06.195-07:002011-08-23T07:31:06.195-07:00SeaNuttle!!!!!!!
good one!SeaNuttle!!!!!!!<br /><br />good one!scurrilous amateur bloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00575387156203723911noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-30306219477432920792011-08-23T04:12:01.897-07:002011-08-23T04:12:01.897-07:00GREAT PIT BULL ADVOCACY MOMENTS IN HISTORY:
The P...GREAT PIT BULL ADVOCACY MOMENTS IN HISTORY:<br /><br />The President of SeaNuttle's Families Advocating Bully Bites (FABB) resigns after the breed anbassador attacks a Lab at a Pet Store Opening.<br /><br /><br />http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/pitbull_belonging_to_propitbull_group_fo<br /><br /><br />Pit Bull Belonging to Pro-Pit Bull Activist Attacks Dog <br />posted by Jonah Spangenthal-Lee on September 11 at 18:18 PM <br /><br />According to records from animal control, a pit bull belonging to one of the founders of Families Against Breed Bans (FABB) attacked another dog last Sunday at the grand opening of a pet store in Phinney Ridge.<br /><br />“There [were] over 100 dogs through here on the weekend. We only had one incident,” says Nadja Chorba, owner of the Zak and Zoe pet store. Chorba says members of FABB had been invited to the store to talk about breed bans and educate the public about pit bulls. Then, Chorba says, the pit bull “decided he was unhappy at the moment” and attacked another dog. “There weren’t any loud noises” or anything else that would have startled the pit bull, Chorba says.<br /><br />In an email, the owner of the yellow Labrador, Sam, that was attacked, claims that the pit bull belonging to the FABB founder “turned violently on [Sam] and locked his jaws on Sam’s neck.” Sam’s owner called the incident “an unprovoked attack.”<br /><br />Animal control was called and the pitbull’s owner received a $269 citation. <br /><br />The owner of the pit bull could not be reached for comment<br /><br /><br /><br />**Disclaimer...I am not making this up!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-40484471964862947182011-08-21T22:24:42.702-07:002011-08-21T22:24:42.702-07:00ditto on the manipulative liars. karen delise isn&...ditto on the manipulative liars. karen delise isn't stupid, she is an evil genius.scurrilous amateur bloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00575387156203723911noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-82501972119023142492011-08-21T22:23:15.876-07:002011-08-21T22:23:15.876-07:00according to the pit nutters' dog bite "e...according to the pit nutters' dog bite "expert" KAREN DELISE, heart attack does indeed count as a fatal dog attack:<br /><br />please see page 91 of Fatal Dog Attacks The Stories Behind the Statistics<br /><br /><a href="http://cravendesires.blogspot.com/2010/07/craven-mail-bag-psycho-desperate.html" rel="nofollow"> Definition: Fatal Dog Attack<br /> This study defines a dog bite fatality as trauma inflicted by a dog bite that results in the death of the victim. This includes:<br /> • Bite injuries inflicted by a dog(s) that resulted in the immediate death of the individual.<br /><br /> • Injuries that were in and of themselves life threatening but, due to medical intervention, the victim's life was prolonged (for days, months, years) until the individual succumbed from injuries originally or secondarily inflicted from trauma due to the dog bite. Although medically these deaths may be attributed to organ failure or massive infection, the causative agent was traumatic injury from dog bite.<br /><br /> • Death from heart attack while being attacked and bitten by a dog. Although the bite itself may not have been injurious enough to cause death, the accompanying stress and trauma at the time of the attack caused immediate heart failure and death.</a>scurrilous amateur bloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00575387156203723911noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-40471470544441874662011-08-20T23:16:26.325-07:002011-08-20T23:16:26.325-07:00Jason, we've seen these odd interpretations be...Jason, we've seen these odd interpretations before as pit bull advocates try to diminish news and rationalize what pit bulls do.<br /><br />Obviously the dog didn't stop short of killing her as she is dead. And there are no statements anywhere that would cause a reasonable person to acquire a belief the dog stopped short of killing her. If a person shoots someone and lacerates the aortic artery which results in death from hypovolemic-hemorrhagic shock, (blood loss,) did the shooter stop short of killing them? There is nothing rational about such a conclusion. But if it appeals to the useful idiots that support pit bull advocacy, there is no reason for anyone to step up and educate to the contrary. I spotted this statement and would have been happy to offer a professionally educated reply, but my comments were withheld because of BAD-RAP’s censoring process. The assertion was delusional but got a free pass for the duration of the thread, thanks to the moderator. <br /><br />In another murder by pit bull, the article stated the decedent went into cardiac arrest. In this case, pit advocates tried to spin this to mean the person actually died from a heart attack, implying this was unrelated to the pit bull attack. "Cardiac arrest" is the end stage of fatal trauma - it is a requirement of dying, determining and pronouncing death. Everyone who has ever died has experienced cardiac arrest through a variety of causes. Their spin on that pit bull attack was no less a lie than the fabricated fall from a ladder story. These people aren’t purely stupid; they’re manipulative liars.Doughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16383525872903031006noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-32577549448973739322011-08-19T16:24:48.162-07:002011-08-19T16:24:48.162-07:00"I would like to point out something that I&#..."I would like to point out something that I've not yet seen in print; the dog did not kill the woman outright. She died of blood loss, which means that the dog stopped short of outright killing her. "<br /><br />She reason the official "cause of death" was listed as blood loss is because the attack was likely still going on when the husband arrived. After all, we know the dog was bloody and Greg Napora allegedly got some wounds on his arms while trying to get the monster off his wife and into a room or the back yard, or wherever he put it.Jasonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03329022294074879815noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-81717171721254179672011-08-19T16:19:36.805-07:002011-08-19T16:19:36.805-07:00One of the things that upset me about the BadRap p...One of the things that upset me about the BadRap page was the photo of the woman walking off into the sunset with a POS pit bull. Considering a woman was just murdered by one of these worthless monsters, it is equivalent to showing a picture of Ted Bundy's victims all walking off into the sunset with Ted! These people -- and Greg Napora is at the top of the list -- are SICK, SICK, SICK!Jasonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03329022294074879815noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-84225015797646044292011-08-18T12:33:02.318-07:002011-08-18T12:33:02.318-07:00I don't understand why the odd behavior of cas...I don't understand why the odd behavior of casey anthony and scott peterson prompted investigation, but this guy's behavior doesn't. It isn't outside of the realm of possibility that he wanted the dogs to attack. He isn't acting bereaved at all (which isn't enough to say what happened but it should arouse some suspicion, shouldn't it?)Who the hell says "at the end of the day, my dog is an animal" about the violent needless death of their spouse? This is beyond fucked.safer midwifery utahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02079353091993976425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-10913732479747736972011-08-18T08:53:03.102-07:002011-08-18T08:53:03.102-07:00"I would like to point out something that I&#..."I would like to point out something that I've not yet seen in print; the dog did not kill the woman outright. She died of blood loss, which means that the dog stopped short of outright killing her. "<br /><br />DubV, i saw that too. i am collecting these desperate borderline psychotic comments for future use. WTF is the understatement of the year.scurrilous amateur bloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00575387156203723911noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-8262658566549153092011-08-18T05:24:24.230-07:002011-08-18T05:24:24.230-07:00I honestly cannot see the appeal to owning this ki...I honestly cannot see the appeal to owning this kind of dog. I have my own dog and while I make mistakes with him at times, he certainly won't take my face off for it or disembowel me because I am pregnant. What other breed needs so much training just so that they might not kill you? This is such a horrific story, and I understand completely why they banned pitbulls in my country.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-70611379314012119002011-08-18T04:11:47.953-07:002011-08-18T04:11:47.953-07:00FAILED PIT NUTTER OF THE DAY:
Meet Betty Acosta o...FAILED PIT NUTTER OF THE DAY:<br /><br />Meet Betty Acosta of Hillsborough County FL who is on a "Mission from God" after being mauled by her own Pit...<br /><br />Betty Acosta decided to volunteer after she was attacked by her pet pit bull, which left her with scars on her right arm.<br /><br />Hillsborough County Pit Carnage may be viewed here: hint...Pits are the leading biter by a mile!<br /><br />http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=204325558281052090423.00049ac12bcc2b3f98819&ll=28.410728,-83.122559&spn=6.268871,7.877197&z=7<br /><br />"When that happened, I knew I had done something wrong." Acosta said of the 2008 attack. "I wanted to change it."<br /><br />So instead of letting two surgeries and six months of physical therapy swear her off from pit bulls or dogs in general, Acosta made that change.<br /><br />She now teaches an obedience class for Pit Bull Ambassadors, an Animal Services training program specifically for the breed.<br /><br />http://www2.tbo.com/news/community-news/2011/aug/17/ssnewso20-volunteers-nurture-care-for-animals-at-c-ar-250691/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-87283533594531422462011-08-18T00:19:57.509-07:002011-08-18T00:19:57.509-07:00excerpt from comment from a future bad rap einstei...excerpt from comment from a future bad rap einstein<br /><br />"I would like to point out something that I've not yet seen in print; the dog did not kill the woman outright. She died of blood loss, which means that the dog stopped short of outright killing her. "<br /><br />WTFDubVhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14367764785422714196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-73293834383344735292011-08-18T00:14:17.615-07:002011-08-18T00:14:17.615-07:00Here's my 2nd one, in response to them all sid...Here's my 2nd one, in response to them all sidestepping my question and insulting me.<br /><br /><br />Donna, <br /><br />You stated that I was incapable of critical thinking (like most people you added). However, I posed a simple question and neither you nor the other few people who responded to me even tried to answer. It was not a trick question.<br /><br />I'll repeat in quotes.<br /><br />"This blog post makes me wonder what could possibly happen to change the mind of Bad Rap member's surrounding this breed.<br /><br />So, I ask you all, can you think of any type of evidence (a set of statistics, an individual circumstance concerning you or others, etc) that would change your mind about this breed?<br /><br />If you cannot come up with something, then you cannot possibly claim to have an open and objective mind regarding this."<br /><br />Again, this is similar to asking a libertarian what minimum set of evidence they can imagine that would change their view of the free market, or asking an atheist what would make them believe in a personal god.<br /><br />I posed a simple question and it was sidestepped.<br /><br />I stand behind the assertion that if you hold a belief and cannot even imagine what would make you change your mind then you are neither open or objective regarding it.<br /><br />DubVDubVhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14367764785422714196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-85688799867343473062011-08-17T23:05:52.740-07:002011-08-17T23:05:52.740-07:00Nope! Denied! My comment to the BADRAP blog was no...Nope! Denied! My comment to the BADRAP blog was not allowed. I wonder why?Dude, I BaggedYourPithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07995429035917075760noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-53904638489455457582011-08-17T20:12:06.863-07:002011-08-17T20:12:06.863-07:00I also CAN'T believe is what I meant to type. ...I also CAN'T believe is what I meant to type. I swear, just reading about the husband's behaviour here has damaged my brain.Maryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04270196335513209018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-88389903840878833582011-08-17T20:10:18.447-07:002011-08-17T20:10:18.447-07:00The story at the start of that bad rap blog is kin...The story at the start of that bad rap blog is kind of relevant in this case, but I don't think it's relevant in the way the author thinks it is.<br /><br />The dog in the story acted fairly normally. Most dogs, if annoyed, may growl or snap and some may bite. Some will even do nothing. <br /><br />However, a riled up, excited pit bull often does not just snap or bite - it's more likely than other breeds to maul. Had the dog in the story been a game-bred pit bull, the result is more likely to have been a serious bite to the arm, possibly leading to an amputation.<br /><br />It's not a coincidence that the dog breed bred for fighting is the one responsible for a massively disproportionate number of fatal and disfiguring attacks. Mauling in this breed IS a breed characteristic. <br /><br />And I completely agree that using a fatal attack to defend these dogs is crude and insensitive. <br /><br />I also can believe that Gunner's ashes were put in with his victim's. I know that the husband said he would do that...and he actually did. I thought that at least relatives of the deceased would protest strongly. This is just so messed up. <br /><br />The excuse that "Gunner was an animal," is such crap. Fatally mauling a social partner IS NOT normal dog behaviour.Maryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04270196335513209018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-37673257357834366072011-08-17T19:38:48.565-07:002011-08-17T19:38:48.565-07:00Dude, I bet that comment won't make it. I had...Dude, I bet that comment won't make it. I had the same reaction when reading that until I realized that by "investigators" she meant Toellner and Delise and by "onlookers" of course, nutters.Small Survivorshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05150912262473853541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-13556234166076935932011-08-17T19:35:20.077-07:002011-08-17T19:35:20.077-07:00You drew Donna out, DubV!You drew Donna out, DubV!Small Survivorshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05150912262473853541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-42454640219539111972011-08-17T16:43:37.546-07:002011-08-17T16:43:37.546-07:00The comment you won't see on BADRAP's blog...The comment you won't see on BADRAP's blog is the one I've offered. For the record, I'm attempting to post, but not holding my breath.<br /><br />" "This particular case is making investigators and onlookers absolutely crazy because no one can figure out what really happened."<br /><br />Not really. Nothing about this story is making official investigators crazy. You added that part for spin value.<br /><br />A pit bull killed its owner. Again. End of story. The rate of incident for this breed is an exponential compared to other dogs. Your flowery rationalization and obfuscation is disingenuous rubbish.<br />4:34 PM"Dude, I BaggedYourPithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07995429035917075760noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-23418749192722559702011-08-17T16:18:19.006-07:002011-08-17T16:18:19.006-07:00I can't believe you got a comment on their blo...I can't believe you got a comment on their blog DubV! Amazing! I wonder who is guarding Pit Propaganda HQ?Dude, I BaggedYourPithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07995429035917075760noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-69905759948099440442011-08-17T14:54:58.858-07:002011-08-17T14:54:58.858-07:00dubv, i just saved that discussion in pdf, let'...dubv, i just saved that discussion in pdf, let's see if she deletes it.scurrilous amateur bloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00575387156203723911noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-2607992480455022052011-08-17T14:29:04.020-07:002011-08-17T14:29:04.020-07:00My post on Bad Rap blog that will never see the li...My post on Bad Rap blog that will never see the light of day.....<br /><br />First off, this comment will likely never make it onto your page. Why? Well, it isn't in line with your agenda and may seem slightly insensitive at this time. <br /><br />However, I consider you taking this opportunity to defend the breed rather insensitive. But, you'll likely keep all dissenting comments off any page related to the Napora's with the excuse that it defiles her memory or something to that effect. That will be useful for you as your internal justification, at least.<br /><br />This blog post makes me wonder what could possibly happen to change the mind of Bad Rap member's surrounding this breed.<br /><br />So, I ask you all, can you think of any type of evidence (a set of statistics, an individual circumstance concerning you or others, etc) that would change your mind about this breed?<br /><br />If you cannot come up with something, then you cannot possibly claim to have an open and objective mind regarding this.<br /><br />I'm curious because you would think that having your wife and unborn child killed by your dog would at least change your mind about that individual animal and possibly cause someone to change their position on the breed.<br /><br />Instead, you have Greg still loving his wife's killer, and this blog in seeming awe of this.DubVhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14367764785422714196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-70820969649569174382011-08-17T14:28:40.263-07:002011-08-17T14:28:40.263-07:00i am planning to respond to donna nutter, i am wat...i am planning to respond to donna nutter, i am watching her a little longer.scurrilous amateur bloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00575387156203723911noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-74969178872117497762011-08-17T14:20:59.219-07:002011-08-17T14:20:59.219-07:00http://badrap-blog.blogspot.com/
Bad Rap's st...http://badrap-blog.blogspot.com/<br /><br />Bad Rap's statement about this event is maddening. It was all I could do to not write a comment there that would never get published on the blog.<br /><br />The general tone at Bad Rap blog is that: 1. we'll never know what caused this, but we won't consider that it had anything to do with breed, 2. all dogs are animals and animals do these things sometimes, so let's indict all dogs for this even though most breeds never have members doing this type of thing, and 3. if we look really closely we will find something outside of the dog and breed that caused this, but again as in pt. 1 we may never find it but it is there since Delise and others routinely parse these things out.<br /><br />Then they just write some feel good bullshit. They never reveal if they know anything about this dog and the family. <br /><br />These people are absolutely insane. I guess by now I should be used to sharing the planet with folks like this.DubVhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14367764785422714196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4325894281523642428.post-35691538723369935592011-08-17T13:34:56.771-07:002011-08-17T13:34:56.771-07:00DubV I agree with everything you said. The phrase...DubV I agree with everything you said. The phrase "for the breed" screams cult to me!<br /><br />Tegenpitjes - They have got themselves boxed into a corner with that one. And looking at badrap's statement, they're now reduced to - they're animals.Small Survivorshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05150912262473853541noreply@blogger.com