At the very end, the reporter states that before animal control put down the child-killing pit bull they had in hand, they tested the pit bull for aggression. The dog came back as non-aggressive according to this test.
No statement by Ben Winecki about the two dogs Apollo killed. This man along with Tara Harris should stay out of the dog business, but then they wouldn't have anything to brag about at cocktail parties.
DubV, If that video doesn't convince parents about the dangers of pit bulls around children nothing will. Maybe you should email this to Tara Harris? drtaraharris@gmail.com
An 8 year old pit that was a trusted family member. A mom sneaks off to pee, the baby is killed in moments. This is unusual when you trust a dog. A solid dog of good breeding will fight to defend an infant. My dog would attack any dog that tried to hurt my nephew or niece. He will not hurt my nephew or neice, despite them spraying him in the eyes with ammonia based glass cleaner (my fault for having them participate in clean up time and not putting Wesley out of the room, they tried to clean him). My mother's goldie mix that passed away (the smartest dog I have ever known) would have fought to the death to defend the children with which she was bonded but never hurt another child. Obviously, the way we appreciate the virtue of dogs is quite different from that of a nutter. But I suppose they have a handful of instances where a pit helped someone, but it is dwarfed by the number of humans helped/saved by something like black lab.
A poem shared to me by Dawn:
Near this Spot are deposited the Remains of one who possessed Beauty without Vanity, Strength without Insolence, Courage without Ferosity, and all the virtues of Man without his Vices.
This praise, which would be unmeaning Flattery if inscribed over human Ashes, is but a just tribute to the Memory of BOATSWAIN, a DOG, who was born in Newfoundland May 1803 and died at Newstead Nov. 18, 1808.
That video of the grieving father leaves me heartsick. When will people realize that this is not an issue of "dog bites". I grew up assuming that everyone had been bitten by a dog at some point. Back in the 60's and 70's , before leash laws, spay and neuter, and hands-on parenting became the norm, most of us has experienced being bitten by a dog as a kid. I was bitten by a friends mutt while camping...he was tied up and eating, he growled at me, so I moved further away, but it wasn't far enough, apparently, he charged at me and bit me on the leg. Thank God for bell bottoms, he mostly got a mouthful of pant leg. I think I got a bruise...I don't think my mother even looked up from her newspaper while this played out!
Lots of kids got nipped while riding bikes, or roughhousing (unsupervised) with the family dog. Most normal dogs have great bite inhibition, and even when they feel they have no other choice, their goal was not to kill you, just make you stop whatever it was you were doing that they didn't like.
And DubV, speaking of bomb-proof dogs, my pediatrician is on his second Golden Retriever, which comes to work with him and has free run of the office and waiting room. His former dog died of old age, while enjoying the company of small children almost every day of her life. His current dog has been coming to the office since he was a small puppy, and even then, he was not nippy or mouthy....he is, I believe, bred out of service dog lines.
I hate to keep quoting Sternberg's book, but in it she mentions that there are certain dogs that truly do love children, and even prefer them to the company of adults...they will seek them out, and gravitate toward them if given the opportunity. I do believe this to be true.
Below a thread from their FB page with their lame excuse. When are these idiots going to learn to keep their fingers off the keyboard? At least there are no exclamation marks.
The dingbat Griffin blames the owner for not giving the dog "therapy and rehab". Isn't therapy and rehab for humans?
Talk about anthropomorphism. I wonder what Sue Steinberg would say about that moronic comment.
Not one public apology to Mr. Yeary. Just lame excuses and "sadness for everyone".
Humane Society for Hamilton County (Indiana) May 14 at 7:47pm near Westfield, IN Ana Marie Griffin Did you guys see the Fox 59 report about a dog being killed? It said it was Apollo that was adopted from you guys. It is so terrible what some people do after they adopt.
Humane Society for Hamilton County (Indiana) Ana we are so sad for everyone involved in this tragic situation.
Lynnette Spratley It's a shame no one followed up to see how Apollo was being treated. A dog tied to a tree with no interaction is going to be more aggressive. The owner should be charged or sued (or both) and you guys need to be more vigilant. No offense, and I know it's hard when all rescues are stretched thin resource-wise, but obviously, follow-up is vital.
Humane Society for Hamilton County (Indiana) Lynette without getting into too much detail, please don't believe everything the media reports. There were quite a few incorrect facts reported, and his being tied to a tree is one of them.
Ana Marie Griffin Sadly, Lynnette, the Humane Society did all they could to prevent this from happening. They should hold no responsibility for what happened. It looks like you are blaming them because they didn't follow up. They rescue and rehome hundreds of animals every year and you expect them to follow up on every one of them to make sure the owner is doing exactly what they are supposed to? They rehabilitate all that they can and are the only 'rescue' in Indiana that can say they are a no-kill shelter. So instead of placing blame on them, the OWNER should have followed up with therapy and rehab and socialized the dog.
Lynnette Spratley I didn't watch the station's video to hear the neighbors say it themselves, so don't know if they said this or the reporter did, or about inaccuracies. The dog was loose and unsupervised, apparently. I still think the owner should be sued six ways from Sunday, because the fact is, Apollo killed two dogs in one tragic event. Something went very wrong, and it wasn't on the part of the little dachshund puppy. As a member of the media for more than 30 years, I'm well aware that reports are often wrong. As a rescuer for almost as long, I also know that it's highly likely the adopter is responsible for this but Apollo is going to take the blame and possibly the consequences.
The "boxer" moniker is suspicious, to say the least. "boxer" is a very common code word for pit bull, used when pit freaks want to blame non-pit breeds for an attack.
The cover-up begins because pit bulls doing what they are bred to do is bad press. In their eyes it's unacceptable to admit a pit bull is dog aggressive and will kill other dogs because belly rubs fix everything, even genetics.
I hope they get sued by the two people who lost their pets. Maybe then it won't feel so good to adopt out a pit bull who obviously couldn't hack it out in public. Fuck them. They still haven't said a word about the two pets they killed.
What TS said about normal suburban stimulation (people, dogs, cats, etc...) labled as "set up to fail" is so spot on. It's amazing that other dog breeds are "set up to fail" millions of times a day yet don't go on killing sprees. Why don't they? It's truly an enigma.
pitters should never interbreed their noble shitbulls with the nastier small breeds like JR'S , BEAGLES , DASHUNDS ect. it could result in dogs that are aggressive and prone to biting people off at the ankle. all kinds of people would be needing prosthetic feet .
Gotta tell you all about my puppy class today. Someone showed up with an 8 week old Boxer/Lab mix today, and yep it was a pit bull. The people seemed to be aware that they were lied to, but they were attached to him. They had two kids in the 10-12 age range with them, and I couldn't help cringing. The "Boxer/Lab mix" started two fights while the other puppies happily played together. The instructor broke up the fights before they really got going, but you can see the fighting dog in these things at a very early age - direct eye contact and relentless. I'm not happy about sharing the class with this pit puppy, but I'm not sure what I can do about it.
I had one with me, but the fights caught me off guard and the instructor rushed in the first time and was keeping a close eye on him the second time. She broke them up before I could think to video it. I'm sure it will happen again!
Too bad you can't come with me. It's eye opening to see them flexing their DNA when they're that young. I'm betting that even with training (which I'm glad they are doing) that this male pit will be nutter-cycled again - probably as a Xolo/Pointer mix.
OD., have a friend accompany you, put them in charge of the camera with instructions to keep focused on the bulldog pup. Keep a running record, someone will need it in the apparently not too distant future as proof of knowledge regarding the dog's aggressiveness.
I seen very young pups hook it up like grown dogs, get broken off and scream to scratch back into each other. People unfamiliar with the dogs think it's awful that eight week old pups are out on chains instead of in a puppy pen "socializing. They don't get that those pups are out because they've tried to kill ( or succeeded) their littermates. They are not trained to fight, they do it because they are bred to want to do nothing else.
they dont fool me with their sweet nanny dog nonsense . they got their cool pitbull cuz of they are known to be bad-ass dogs and this is the main attraction for peops that dont know any better than to do what all the other fools are doing .
Snarky, these are more like your typical do-gooders who fell for http://maultalk.wordpress.com/2013/04/14/give-them-a-chance/ They were white suburbanites with kids. They also said that they were told he was a boxer/lab mix but that they figured out that meant pit bull. I think they are in for an unpleasant surprise when they find out they can't love the pit out of the pit bull.
OD. The best thing you could do for the owners and the rest of the class is to tell them to order and learn to properly use a breaking stick. Nylon are the best for a variety of reasons. Tell them always keep fingers and thumb flat to the sticks around the top of the shaft. Grip the dog's skin right behind the skull tightly to break off and insert the flat sides of the tip behind the canines and slowly rotate to open the jaws.
Yeah, I always wondered about that too. These things tend to leave their owners with injuries - at least the ones who try to pry pittie off their victim.
That's why I was telling you how to hold the dog. Grip the skin, it's loose, at the base of the skull/top of the neck tightly with one hand. If possible you can also stand straddling the dog and grip with your legs just in front of the hips. It is fairly common to get bitten when separating dogs unless done properly. The people who have this dog need to be as well informed as possible. They know they were lied to about breed, they'll be more receptive to real information now. Be kind but point out that their pup is already starting to fire and help them learn to protect those around them. That's the best I've got short of having them bounced out of class. Look at it this way, if you're going to have a gun you need to learn safe gun handling, same with a bulldog. You should be able to finish your class in relative safety.
never interfere with a noble pitbull in its appointed duties as a gladiator . much too dangerous and its your life vs your dogs and a dog is just a dog and its only a dog fight . dont interfere , oink , oink .
OD, whatever that class cost you is nothing compared to the vet bills that may happen your way if pittie flexes his DNA on your pup. I would drop the class and let whoever is running the program know exactly why. Life is too short to take risks like this. Your dog is not a learning tool for a dingbat's early maturing mauler.
Yay! Someone finally made it!
ReplyDeleteI found this video
ReplyDeletehttp://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/father-toddler-killed-familys-pit-bull-offers-warn/nXzwd/
through Dogs Bite Decatur Al.
At the very end, the reporter states that before animal control put down the child-killing pit bull they had in hand, they tested the pit bull for aggression. The dog came back as non-aggressive according to this test.
http://qkme.me/3uii6j
No statement by Ben Winecki about the two dogs Apollo killed. This man along with Tara Harris should stay out of the dog business, but then they wouldn't have anything to brag about at cocktail parties.
ReplyDeleteDubV,
ReplyDeleteIf that video doesn't convince parents about the dangers of pit bulls around children nothing will. Maybe you should email this to Tara Harris? drtaraharris@gmail.com
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ReplyDeleteAn 8 year old pit that was a trusted family member. A mom sneaks off to pee, the baby is killed in moments. This is unusual when you trust a dog. A solid dog of good breeding will fight to defend an infant. My dog would attack any dog that tried to hurt my nephew or niece. He will not hurt my nephew or neice, despite them spraying him in the eyes with ammonia based glass cleaner (my fault for having them participate in clean up time and not putting Wesley out of the room, they tried to clean him). My mother's goldie mix that passed away (the smartest dog I have ever known) would have fought to the death to defend the children with which she was bonded but never hurt another child. Obviously, the way we appreciate the virtue of dogs is quite different from that of a nutter. But I suppose they have a handful of instances where a pit helped someone, but it is dwarfed by the number of humans helped/saved by something like black lab.
ReplyDeleteA poem shared to me by Dawn:
Near this Spot
are deposited the Remains of one
who possessed Beauty without Vanity,
Strength without Insolence,
Courage without Ferosity,
and all the virtues of Man without his Vices.
This praise, which would be unmeaning Flattery
if inscribed over human Ashes,
is but a just tribute to the Memory of
BOATSWAIN, a DOG,
who was born in Newfoundland May 1803
and died at Newstead Nov. 18, 1808.
thanks for that link dubv and francis for the suggestion to send to dr muchausen.
ReplyDeletei paid hamilton humane's facebook page a visit.
i still may send it to dr munchausen.
regarding poem by lord byron, i have to redirect any credit back to branwyne who shared it with me.
ReplyDeleteDawn, their FB page is gone now - looks like they are deleting the evidence.
ReplyDeleteThat video of the grieving father leaves me heartsick. When will people realize that this is not an issue of "dog bites". I grew up assuming that everyone had been bitten by a dog at some point. Back in the 60's and 70's , before leash laws, spay and neuter, and hands-on parenting became the norm, most of us has experienced being bitten by a dog as a kid. I was bitten by a friends mutt while camping...he was tied up and eating, he growled at me, so I moved further away, but it wasn't far enough, apparently, he charged at me and bit me on the leg. Thank God for bell bottoms, he mostly got a mouthful of pant leg. I think I got a bruise...I don't think my mother even looked up from her newspaper while this played out!
ReplyDeleteLots of kids got nipped while riding bikes, or roughhousing (unsupervised) with the family dog. Most normal dogs have great bite inhibition, and even when they feel they have no other choice, their goal was not to kill you, just make you stop whatever it was you were doing that they didn't like.
And DubV, speaking of bomb-proof dogs, my pediatrician is on his second Golden Retriever, which comes to work with him and has free run of the office and waiting room. His former dog died of old age, while enjoying the company of small children almost every day of her life. His current dog has been coming to the office since he was a small puppy, and even then, he was not nippy or mouthy....he is, I believe, bred out of service dog lines.
I hate to keep quoting Sternberg's book, but in it she mentions that there are certain dogs that truly do love children, and even prefer them to the company of adults...they will seek them out, and gravitate toward them if given the opportunity. I do believe this to be true.
Hubby was feeling especially funny yesterday and sent me a ton of ads from the Los Angeles Craigslist. All pit bulls of course.
ReplyDeleteHowever THIS AD takes the CAKE.
Here they are
Jack Russell x pit bull puppies complete- if you look at the photo at the bottom- with pictures of conception!!
Mind you they want responsible owners for these puppies as opposed to the idiots who had two intact dogs and let them bring mutts into the world.
http://la.craigslist.org/lac/for/3818654490.html
ReplyDeleteBelow a thread from their FB page with their lame excuse. When are these idiots going to learn to keep their fingers off the keyboard? At least there are no exclamation marks.
The dingbat Griffin blames the owner for not giving the dog "therapy and rehab". Isn't therapy and rehab for humans?
Talk about anthropomorphism.
I wonder what Sue Steinberg would say about that moronic comment.
Not one public apology to Mr. Yeary. Just lame excuses and "sadness for everyone".
Humane Society for Hamilton County (Indiana)
May 14 at 7:47pm near Westfield, IN
Ana Marie Griffin
Did you guys see the Fox 59 report about a dog being killed? It said it was Apollo that was adopted from you guys. It is so terrible what some people do after they adopt.
Humane Society for Hamilton County (Indiana)
Ana we are so sad for everyone involved in this tragic situation.
Lynnette Spratley
It's a shame no one followed up to see how Apollo was being treated. A dog tied to a tree with no interaction is going to be more aggressive. The owner should be charged or sued (or both) and you guys need to be more vigilant. No offense, and I know it's hard when all rescues are stretched thin resource-wise, but obviously, follow-up is vital.
Humane Society for Hamilton County (Indiana)
Lynette without getting into too much detail, please don't believe everything the media reports. There were quite a few incorrect facts reported, and his being tied to a tree is one of them.
Ana Marie Griffin
Sadly, Lynnette, the Humane Society did all they could to prevent this from happening. They should hold no responsibility for what happened. It looks like you are blaming them because they didn't follow up. They rescue and rehome hundreds of animals every year and you expect them to follow up on every one of them to make sure the owner is doing exactly what they are supposed to? They rehabilitate all that they can and are the only 'rescue' in Indiana that can say they are a no-kill shelter. So instead of placing blame on them, the OWNER should have followed up with therapy and rehab and socialized the dog.
Lynnette Spratley
I didn't watch the station's video to hear the neighbors say it themselves, so don't know if they said this or the reporter did, or about inaccuracies. The dog was loose and unsupervised, apparently. I still think the owner should be sued six ways from Sunday, because the fact is, Apollo killed two dogs in one tragic event. Something went very wrong, and it wasn't on the part of the little dachshund puppy. As a member of the media for more than 30 years, I'm well aware that reports are often wrong. As a rescuer for almost as long, I also know that it's highly likely the adopter is responsible for this but Apollo is going to take the blame and possibly the consequences.
Another attack on a 5 year old boy by a shelter dog who was "blossoming" and about to be adopted out.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.santacruzsentinel.com/aptos/ci_23301776/dog-attacked-young-boy-at-rio-del-mar
that craigslist ad made me throw up in my mouth.
ReplyDeletei hate to see the normal canine race ruined by pit bulls.
Dawn,
ReplyDeleteYeah, that was disgusting!
They had their page hidden this morning when I clicked on the link.
ReplyDelete@Francis 7:36 -
ReplyDeleteThe "boxer" moniker is suspicious, to say the least. "boxer" is a very common code word for pit bull, used when pit freaks want to blame non-pit breeds for an attack.
@Jake,
ReplyDeleteAh, good point. Hadn't thought of that.
they deleted my comment and blocked me and they hid the separate entries 3 about apollo. interesting
ReplyDeleteThe cover-up begins because pit bulls doing what they are bred to do is bad press. In their eyes it's unacceptable to admit a pit bull is dog aggressive and will kill other dogs because belly rubs fix everything, even genetics.
ReplyDeleteDawn, you hater. LOL
ReplyDeleteI hope they get sued by the two people who lost their pets. Maybe then it won't feel so good to adopt out a pit bull who obviously couldn't hack it out in public. Fuck them. They still haven't said a word about the two pets they killed.
What TS said about normal suburban stimulation (people, dogs, cats, etc...) labled as "set up to fail" is so spot on. It's amazing that other dog breeds are "set up to fail" millions of times a day yet don't go on killing sprees. Why don't they?
ReplyDeleteIt's truly an enigma.
/roll eyes
ReplyDeletepitters should never interbreed their noble shitbulls with the nastier small breeds like JR'S , BEAGLES , DASHUNDS ect. it could result in dogs that are aggressive and prone to biting people off at the ankle. all kinds of people would be needing prosthetic feet .
Gotta tell you all about my puppy class today. Someone showed up with an 8 week old Boxer/Lab mix today, and yep it was a pit bull. The people seemed to be aware that they were lied to, but they were attached to him. They had two kids in the 10-12 age range with them, and I couldn't help cringing. The "Boxer/Lab mix" started two fights while the other puppies happily played together. The instructor broke up the fights before they really got going, but you can see the fighting dog in these things at a very early age - direct eye contact and relentless.
ReplyDeleteI'm not happy about sharing the class with this pit puppy, but I'm not sure what I can do about it.
please take a small camera/video recorder.
ReplyDeleteI had one with me, but the fights caught me off guard and the instructor rushed in the first time and was keeping a close eye on him the second time. She broke them up before I could think to video it. I'm sure it will happen again!
ReplyDeleteToo bad you can't come with me. It's eye opening to see them flexing their DNA when they're that young. I'm betting that even with training (which I'm glad they are doing) that this male pit will be nutter-cycled again - probably as a Xolo/Pointer mix.
OD., have a friend accompany you, put them in charge of the camera with instructions to keep focused on the bulldog pup. Keep a running record, someone will need it in the apparently not too distant future as proof of knowledge regarding the dog's aggressiveness.
ReplyDeleteI guess you've seen what I'm talking about TS. ;)
ReplyDeleteI seen very young pups hook it up like grown dogs, get broken off and scream to scratch back into each other. People unfamiliar with the dogs think it's awful that eight week old pups are out on chains instead of in a puppy pen "socializing. They don't get that those pups are out because they've tried to kill ( or succeeded) their littermates. They are not trained to fight, they do it because they are bred to want to do nothing else.
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ReplyDeletethey dont fool me with their sweet nanny dog nonsense . they got their cool pitbull cuz of they are known to be bad-ass dogs and this is the main attraction for peops that dont know any better than to do what all the other fools are doing .
Snarky, these are more like your typical do-gooders who fell for http://maultalk.wordpress.com/2013/04/14/give-them-a-chance/
ReplyDeleteThey were white suburbanites with kids. They also said that they were told he was a boxer/lab mix but that they figured out that meant pit bull. I think they are in for an unpleasant surprise when they find out they can't love the pit out of the pit bull.
ReplyDeletereal lily white do-gooders are going to be in for a surprise when pittie poo wiggle butt disembowels the neigbours cat or whatever .
"oh my god.... angel face what have you done????"
^^^^
ReplyDeleteExactly.
OD. The best thing you could do for the owners and the rest of the class is to tell them to order and learn to properly use a breaking stick. Nylon are the best for a variety of reasons. Tell them always keep fingers and thumb flat to the sticks around the top of the shaft. Grip the dog's skin right behind the skull tightly to break off and insert the flat sides of the tip behind the canines and slowly rotate to open the jaws.
ReplyDelete
ReplyDeletewhat if it lets go but redirects to your face or crotch?
Yeah, I always wondered about that too. These things tend to leave their owners with injuries - at least the ones who try to pry pittie off their victim.
ReplyDeletegetting the thing to redirect onto me is a thing i might want , since it might save my buddy and give me a reason to carve the monster up.
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ReplyDeletecourse heres where the pitter would say ...NEVER interfere with a shitbull, just let nature take its place , BLA BLA BLA , snort , oink.
ReplyDeletetake it course , i meant
That's why I was telling you how to hold the dog. Grip the skin, it's loose, at the base of the skull/top of the neck tightly with one hand. If possible you can also stand straddling the dog and grip with your legs just in front of the hips. It is fairly common to get bitten when separating dogs unless done properly. The people who have this dog need to be as well informed as possible. They know they were lied to about breed, they'll be more receptive to real information now. Be kind but point out that their pup is already starting to fire and help them learn to protect those around them. That's the best I've got short of having them bounced out of class. Look at it this way, if you're going to have a gun you need to learn safe gun handling, same with a bulldog. You should be able to finish your class in relative safety.
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ReplyDeletenever interfere with a noble pitbull in its appointed duties as a gladiator . much too dangerous and its your life vs your dogs and a dog is just a dog and its only a dog fight . dont interfere , oink , oink .
OD, whatever that class cost you is nothing compared to the vet bills that may happen your way if pittie flexes his DNA on your pup. I would drop the class and let whoever is running the program know exactly why. Life is too short to take risks like this. Your dog is not a learning tool for a dingbat's early maturing mauler.
ReplyDeleteThey have different times I can attend. I think I will switch.
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