Thursday, February 25, 2010

pit bull propaganda machine is cranking 'em out

pit bull positive writes:
"You people are morons do the math lets just say theres roughly 38,000 "pit bulls" in the United States ok and theres 38 "fatal attacks" thats a whopping 1%. More people are killed by falling coconuts per year than there are killed by "pit bulls". More crazy people with far too much time on there hands who only want to create hysteria and be part of the problem instead of working towards a solution. Brilliant work here!"

more crazy pit nutters with more crazy lies. earlier today it was the small dog syndrome, now it is falling coconuts.

Dr. Peter Barss wrote a Nobel Prize winning article for the Journal of Trauma entitled "Injuries Due to Falling Coconuts." The article reported on nine injuries in Papua New Guinea due to falling coconuts, none fatal. Several victims suffered fractured skulls, were rendered comatose, etc.

even if coconuts did kill more people, so what? lightening, bees, snakes, sharks, jellyfish, hippos, crocodiles, earthquakes, hurricanes, extreme heat, extreme cold, tsunamis, tornados, kill more people, so what? what do natural disasters and freak accidental deaths by nature have to do with a man made, man controlled fighting dog?
just how desperate or stupid are you people?

33 comments:

Georgie Porgi said...

We HAVE to use such profound and ridiculous statistics just to show you the probability of actually getting attacked by a Pit Bull.

You preach about how an entire breed is bad, and whenever we have one word to say, you automatically label us as liars.

By presenting factual statistics you label it as propaganda.
You resort to personal attacks, immature nicknames, exposing the subject, and use fear to influence your target audience.

You post news articles that have some credibility, but then again, the news will report anything to give them more ratings. Animal Control and Dog Wardens even have trouble ID'ing a particular breed let alone some person behind a desk reading a teleprompter.

You do an extensive background search on EVERY 'nutter'. What you're ACTUALLY doing is giving us more leverage and proof that the OWNER is the problem and NOT the dog.

THAT is desperate and stupid.

You say, 'so what'
I say, 'whatever'

cravendesires said...

PART 1
I'M NOT YELLING, MY REPLIES ARE IN ALL CAPS

We HAVE to use such profound and ridiculous statistics just to show you the probability of actually getting attacked by a Pit Bull.

THE PROFOUND AND RIDICULOUS STATISTICS THAT WERE PRESENTED WERE NOT FACTUAL.

You preach about how an entire breed is bad, and whenever we have one word to say, you automatically label us as liars.

IF YOU PRESENT NON FACTUAL ARGUMENTS, IT LEADS ME TO BELIEVE THAT YOU ARE EITHER LYING OR YOU ARE STUPID AND REPEATING WHAT OTHERS HAVE SAID WITHOUT DOING YOUR OWN RESEARCH, THUS PERPETUATING YOUR OWN HYSTERIA. CASE IN POINT, THE RIDICULOUS LIST OF "75 DOG BREEDS THAT WILL BE BANNED NEXT" THAT PSYCHO CHERIE GRAVES PUT TOGETHER. HAVE YOU EVER LOOKED INTO THE LIST OF DOGS? OR DID YOU JUST COPY AND PASTE IT AND SEND IT ON TO THE NEXT NUTTER? THERE ARE NUMEROUS DUPLICATES ON THAT LIST. IE BOTH THE GERMAN SHEPHERD DOG AND THE ALSATIAN DOG ARE LISTED. IT'S THE SAME DOG. THERE ARE BREEDS ON THAT LIST THAT I FOUND NO WHERE IN THE UNIVERSE OTHER THAN THIS LIST WHICH HAS BEEN HYSTERICALLY REPRODUCED ON JUST ABOUT EVERY PIT BULL SITE.

By presenting factual statistics you label it as propaganda.

ARE YOU STILL CLAIMING THE COCONUT BS IS FACTUAL? I PROVIDED THE LINK THAT I DISCREDITED THE ARGUMENT. SAME AS THE SMALL DOG SYNDROME. MORE BS, EXCEPT THE PIT NUTTER PROVIDED THE LINK THAT DISCREDITED THEIR ARGUMENT. I SUSPECT THAT THEY READ NO FURTHER THAN THE FIRST PARAGRAPH WHICH PLUGGED PIT BULL SAFETY.

You resort to personal attacks, immature nicknames, exposing the subject, and use fear to influence your target audience.

IF YOU WANT TO READ PERSONAL ATTACKS AND IMMATURE NICKNAMES, I SUGGEST YOU GO BACK AND READ EVERYTHING WRITTEN ON THE FORUMS ABOUT DOG BITE VICTIM COLLEEN LYNN. THE PERSONAL ATTACKS THAT VICTIM HAS RECEIVED BY THE SAME PEOPLE WHO PIMP DOGS UNDER THE BANNER OF "THEY ARE MOST FORGIVING CREATURES.." IS JUST SICKENING. YOU WILL UNDERSTAND A LOT OF WHAT FUELS MY RAGE TOWARDS PIT NUTTERS.
PIT NUTTERS (AND YES THAT'S WHAT I CALL YOU BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT YOU ARE) ARE THE MOST ADEPT AT CREATING HYSTERIA. TWO EXAMPLES 1) YOUR BREED BE NEXT!!! (see above) 2) BEST FRIENDS BSL CALCULATOR. YOU TRY TO SCARE EVERYONE INTO THINKING THAT THE COST OF BSL WILL BANKRUPT AMERICAN CITIES. WHAT WILL CAN BANKRUPT AMERICA IS THE INSANE MEDICAL BILLS THAT ARISE FROM THESE ATTACKS.

cravendesires said...

PART 2
STILL NOT YELLING.

You post news articles that have some credibility, but then again, the news will report anything to give them more ratings. Animal Control and Dog Wardens even have trouble ID'ing a particular breed let alone some person behind a desk reading a teleprompter.

YES, I AGREE THAT THE MEDIA TENDS TO SENSATIONALIZE. THEY ARE GUILTY OF IT ON BOTH SIDES. LOOK AT THE VICK DOGS.

You do an extensive background search on EVERY 'nutter'.

ACTUALLY, I DON'T HAVE THE TIME TO DO THAT. I DIDN'T DO AN EXTENSIVE BACKGROUND ON PIT BULL POSITIVE BUT IF YOU WOULD LIKE ME TO, I WILL PUT THAT ON MY LIST OF THINGS TO DO. BUT THE REASON I DO, IS BECAUSE SO MANY OF YOU SHOW UP IN THE COMMENT SECTIONS TOUTING YOUR "EXPERTISE" AND WHEN I SCRATCH THE SURFACE, I FIND A PACK OF LIES. IT'S AMAZING HOW MANY OF THESE "EXPERTS" TURN OUT TO BE 23 YR OLD DOG BATHERS WHO HAVE THEIR FIRST "PITTIE" (GAG) WHO IS ONLY MAYBE 2 YRS OLD AND THEY THINK THEY KNOW IT ALL. OR LIKE 30 YR OLD JULIE PERRY WHO TRIED TO PASS HERSELF OFF AS VETERINARIAN OF 30 YRS AND THE VICTIM OF AN UGLY COONHOUND ATTACK. IF YOU WANT TO CALL YOUR SELF AN EXPERT, YOU WILL HAVE TO PROOF IT.

What you're ACTUALLY doing is giving us more leverage and proof that the OWNER is the problem and NOT the dog.

ACTUALLY WHAT I BELIEVE IS THAT IT IS NEVER JUST THE OWNER OR JUST THE BREED. IT IS ALWAYS BOTH. I HAVE MET 2 PIT BULLS THAT I THOUGHT PROBABLY WOULD NOT EVEN DEFEND THEMSELVES IF THEY WERE ATTACKED. PLEASE DO TRY TO CONVINCE ME THAT ANY OF THE THREE RECENT ATTACKS IN PHILLY WOULD HAVE HAD THE SAME OUTCOME HAD THE DOGS BEEN THE MOST VICIOUS DOG OF ALL, THE CHIHUAHUA.

THAT is desperate and stupid.

YOUR DESPERATION/STUPIDITY IS SHOWING AGAIN.

You say, 'so what'
I say, 'whatever'

YOU STILL DID NOT ADDRESS WHAT FREAK ACCIDENTAL DEATHS CAUSED BY NATURE HAS TO DO WITH THE KILLING AND MAIMING OF PEOPLE AND ANIMALS BY MAN MADE/MAN CONTROLLED FIGHTING DOGS.

Anonymous said...

Actually, no one has ever said the entire breed is "bad". What I believe is that pit bulls (and other fighting breeds) simply have a much greater likelihood of acting aggressively and of doing great damage when they do. I believe this because I understand the genetics of aggression and I understand how pits have been bred. Not every pit bull will harm a person, not every pit bull will harm a dog, but the likelihood that any given pit will do damage is much, much greater than it is for other breeds. The fact that not every pit will kill is the whole reason almost everyone in favor of BSL is also in favor of grandfathering existing dogs. I also want pit bulls protected from the kind of abuse that is heaped upon them as a breed by the people who claim to "love" them. But you already know that, you just want to pretend that our side is composed of over-the-top loons that scream "locking jaws" and want to tear dogs away from their owners and shoot them.

Anonymous said...

You would have to give us even more profound and ridiculous statistics to show the likelihood of owning a Toyota with a sudden unintended acceleration problem, or the likelihood that our toddler will get caught up in our blind cords and strangle. Yet, these 2 things - together which have resulted in less than 1/4 the deaths that pit bulls have caused over the last 10 years - are currently major public safety issues. Would you also recommend Toyota not recall its cars or the blind companies not recall their blinds? Should safety just be a crapshoot all around, or just when it comes to pit bulls?

Anonymous said...

Also Craven desires refers to me because I used small dog syndrome to describe the aggression that my small dog has, and I am labeled a Pit butter???
Wth. I specifically said that I have a Pug Chihuahua mix, so how am I a Pit Nutter when I do not even own a Pit Bull?

cravendesires said...

i completely agree with anon 1 and anon 2.

anon 3 is out to lunch. have you actually read the small dog syndrome link yet?

Anonymous said...

Also, Pit positive claims that there are 38,000 Pits in the U.S.?
I seriously doubt that! I think it's more like 138 million!
There are more than 38,000 in my city alone.
So I am sure that the number of Pit attacks vs. other breeds is WAY lower than 1%

HonestyHelps said...

Craven, Georgie Porgie was kicked off another blog because of the obsessive remarks. GP claims to be a fireman among other things. Pay no attention, not worth your time. Gerogie Porgie is a sick individual and needs to seek help. I say ignore those comments and kick GP off this blog too.

Frank C. said...

Deny, deflect, and censor.

;)

P. said...

Anon with the pug chi mix, if it quacks like a duck, walks like a duck then it must be a duck. You speak like a nutter therefore you must be one. You are either lying about owning a pit or your pit was shot by the police and you haven't gotten another one yet.

cravendesires said...

non pit owning pit nutters do exist.

just one example canadian meaghan edwards. she is even a member of pit forums.

Georgie said...

Some of the 75 breeds list is indeed probably fabricated.

However, I do know there are about 25 breeds that are "Pit Bull Type"
That's not an answer to that lady that has fabricated a list. That's just my observation.

The coconut story is not fact, just what is the probability or chance of what can kill you before a pit bull does.

The BSL calculator is BS.

Colleen Lynn the victim; first and foremost, she has every right to say what she wants. But lets take a look at the 'victim'. The dog that attacked her was euthanized immediately. It mangled her arm, yes. But there are a couple of problems I have.
During her interview, , yet she appeared to have full use of her arm. She was moving it, using her fingers, and full range of motion, there were no obvious signs of distress (ie. wincing, guarding, or immobilized)
She turned to her computer and was typing on the keyboard. Yet, she claimed that she had to miss 6 weeeks of work. I know, I wasn't there and I can't feel what she was feeling. But from the general impression, she appeared to be fine.
Next comes her crusade to ban an entire breed of dog, (from her own term of 'generalizing') How many people have been mauled by Labs or GSDs and not created a website to ban that breed?

I am by no means an expert of the breed. My only qualifications are all of my experience with pit bulls have been positive, never once have I been bitten or mauled. I have raised and now part of a rescue of pit bulls. I am not one of those nutter's that say, 'not my dog, these are nanny dogs, little rascals petey dog'
Most nutters don't have their dogs fixed. most nutters want to breed their dog just once, and most nutters think there's a difference between red and blue nose.
The people claiming their vets or experts have obviously lied and its backfired on them. I feel there is no reason to lie because it will only hurt me in the long run.

One thing I've learned debating with Honesty is I'm not here to 'convince' you. I'm simply here to say Pit Bulls are not born killers.
The only one I can think of right now off the top of my head is the Pit that killed the daughter of the stepdad and her mom. The balls that stepdad had to say when he stated the dog was protecting the mother is utterly BS. Yes, he has mental problems.

The freak accidents card has been played out.

And finally, Honesty....I'm not debating with you. The fact Honesty feels the need to leave a comment asking you to kick me off for obsessive remarks is a little freaky to me. Honesty, are you stalking me?

I wasn't kicked off, he just refused to post my comments, I don't know why. Maybe he feels threatened, maybe he couldn't answer a question of mine, or maybe he was just sick of me debating with me because I always had a response.
He feels the need to personally attack and use profanity to get his point across.
But be as it may I'm not debating with him.

HonestyHelps said...

Georgie Porgie, you were stopped because you had nothing more to say, just taking up space trying to convince yourself that you are a responsible pit owner. Spreading the propaganda as any other nutter, and no difference between any of you. I told you that I would not be your enabler for your obsession/illness.

Anonymous said...

Honesty has been on this forum long before you, Anon. And I would say that not publishing your comments certainly means you were kicked off. I read your comments and Honesty put you in your place. You have no answers, but you certainly come across as an obsessed person and not in a healthy way. There's was never a debate, you have no points to debate, just the same old propaganda from the pit forums.

Anonymous said...

I hear Philadelphia has the highest number of falling coconut fatalities per year in the U.S.

Felony said...

"During her interview, , yet she appeared to have full use of her arm. She was moving it, using her fingers, and full range of motion, there were no obvious signs of distress (ie. wincing, guarding, or immobilized)"

You are a fucking idiot. An injury to a forearm doesn't necessarily have an effect on finger tips or range of motion in the shoulder. I can tell you for a fact, that she could not even drive her car. Repeat, you are an insensitive fucking idiot. But blaming the victims and the weather is all you got. And it isn't making your dogs look any better to the average person.

Curious George said...

Ok, whatever, kicked off or refused to post.

All of you say he, (honesty) put me in my place and I spread "propaganda".

I lost count of how many times I've stated that I'm not here to convince you or influence your attitude towards Pit Bulls.

Honesty stated I am a waste of space and obsessed.

Obsessed--to preoccupy the mind with a single emotion or topic. OR preoccupy the mind excessively.

I'm not the one that attacks EVERY SINGLE nutter.
I'm not the one that has a website or (several websites) dedicated to Pit Bull attacks or how evil pit bulls are.
I'm not the one searching every day for pit bull attacks to post and to preach how worthless they are.
I'm not the one that feels the need to personally attack instead of debate a subject like BSL or banning an entire breed.

I've come to the conclusion that all pit haters spread fear and anger....not reason.
Yes, pit bull attacks are vicious, yes, pit bulls are owned by crackheads.

But just like Craven's last post: "Another family argument sends pittie into the red zone"
All of you say, Pit Bulls are unpredictable killers. I say, it was stated from the owner "the dog does get vicious at times"
By no means am I blaming the kid, but THAT dog had aggression issues that were not taken care of and unfortunately the kid was attacked.

Just like the Husky that killed the baby. It had underlying issues and very irresponsible owners....to leave a baby in a car seat on the bed, unattended.
You say "Husky's have high prey drives, but pit bulls have higher"

Stop blaming the breed. It was the INDIVIDUAL dog.

scratch said...

George...
"I lost count of how many times I've stated that I'm not here to convince you or influence your attitude towards Pit Bulls.

Honesty stated I am a waste of space and obsessed.

Obsessed--to preoccupy the mind with a single emotion or topic. OR preoccupy the mind excessively.

I'm not the one that attacks EVERY SINGLE nutter.
I'm not the one that has a website or (several websites) dedicated to Pit Bull attacks or how evil pit bulls are.
I'm not the one searching every day for pit bull attacks to post and to preach how worthless they are.
I'm not the one that feels the need to personally attack instead of debate a subject like BSL or banning an entire breed."

But you ARE the one that keeps returning to this site... many of those that comment here are, like me, victims of an outrageous pit bull attack. We have experienced the violence. You will not convince us that there is no difference between a bite-and-release from a normal dog and the all out, continue until somebody dies pit bull mauling.

Anonymous said...

So who sent you this craven?

A thick skulled, lonely middle class housewife in love with her pit bull?

Or one of those creepy, lonely guys who call them selves "pit bull rescuers" (the ones that people perceive as weird outcasts aka losers)

The coconut theorists. They are NUTS, no wonder their analogy.

Well, their pit bulls are chewing them up left and right lately. They can contemplate coconuts while they are in a hospital bed, IF they are lucky and not in the morgue or their kids' funeral.

Anonymous said...

Oh my god, it's the abusive mother with the "small dog syndrome"

The one who can't even control her kids never mind her dog.

Instead of taking care of her kids and dog, she's here posting.

What does that tell you?

INSANITY

Cares more about pit bulls than her own children.

Is there a father in the picture to actually have some sense? Why do I think there was no father ever in sight after birth?

Anonymous said...

These idiots concentrate on the kills and of course leave out the thousands upon thousands that are MAIMED and disfigured and disabled thanks to pit bulls.

Anonymous said...

I see you haven't answered one of that 'George's' questions.

nothing more than a hate site

Anonymous said...

I see I'm being censored now. Bravo.

cravendesires said...

you people really have some serious mental issues, you know that? you post a comment at 2:15 in morning and when you don't see it published by 5:20, you assume i'm censoring. your'e a self centered idiot. which probably has a lot to do with your breed of choice.

as for george's questions, i saw TWO, one of which was directed at honesty helps, the other was rhetorical.

Anonymous said...

Just FYI. Anon 1 is NOT Anon 2. I did not leave that comment of being censored

cravendesires said...

well then someone is hallucinating that they left a comment because i have not rejected any comments from this blog post. i haven't rejected a comment for quite a while.

cravendesires said...

CORRECTION: sharks need to be removed from the list. they only 5 people world wide each year.

Charlie Hustle said...

You show stats that show that pitbulls are dangerous. You give numbers and think that it represents a large percentage of the population of the breed. But look deeper into the numbers. Look at how many pitbulls there actually are in America. When you look that deep, a requirement when trying to give statistics, you will see that the numbers don't add up. You say that you want to protect people, but are you really? Yes, it is fact that dogs kill people. But it is a minuscule amout of people and a deeper look into the circumstances will reveal the true causes. When compared to other things, deaths from dogs don't even register. Look at certain illegal drugs, look at alcohol, automobiles. Also, look at the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES! Barak Obama even thinks BSL is BS. You folks have FB pages that have minimal amounts of likes and pages with a similar name only with the word 'stop' in front have close to twice as many likes. You are fighting a losing battle and you think you can win. That stat where it shows how many cities and counties have BSL is a good stat. Connecticut has 169 cities and the total amount of American cities with BSL is 760 some odd. Weak. The BSL is losing favor. But I am not here to change your mind, im just here to try and help you. I think you should redirect your energies into a more positive direction. Fight meth dens, fight teen alcohol abuse, fight anything other than the losing battle you are fighting. Your fight is like the drug war in America. It's a failure.

Charlie Hustle said...

A pug is a 20 pound max dog. A chihuahua is a 10 poin max dog. A mix of the two dogs does NOT make a pitbull. It does make an i identifiable breed of dog.

dawn james said...

"I think you should redirect your energies into a more positive direction. Fight meth dens, fight teen alcohol abuse, fight anything other than the losing battle you are fighting. Your fight is like the drug war in America. It's a failure. "

i don't believe you CHARLIE HUSTLE. i think if we weren't having an impact, you would not bother reading this blog or leaving comments.

Ann Frauenhofer said...

IMO, it's the owners. I had a dobie years ago and purchased a book on the breed. One of the first things it said was that there are no mean dogs born, they're made that way. My dobie was gentle as a lamb, was great with kids, well-behaved. That's how I trained her. Several of my friends bought her siblings and would always play-fight with them (when they should have been training them). I would not allow anyone to do that with mine. I kept telling them this is what gives the breed a bad rep. You start them off at a young age, encouraging violence because you think it's fun/funny; wait until they're full grown and you're still play-fighting with them; day comes when you hurt them enough to make them forget it's a game and they're going to rip your arm off. Every single one of those poor pups wound up neurotic. Two of them 'turned on their masters' because their masters hurt them. One of the owners nearly lost their hand. Sometimes there's no satisfaction in being right. Messed up dogs and injured owners. My dobie was very mellow. She loved all creatures. I saw her with her nose on the ground one day. Upon investigation, she was making friends with a toad...just curious. There was also a time where I was playing Frisbee with her, and what happened was MY bad. I kept teasing her with it, you know, pretending I was throwing it, but not releasing. About the 4th time I did this, she jumped for it and when she came down, caught a tooth on my arm...didn't break the skin. She immediately laid down on the ground and looked at me with such sorrow in her eyes...I really expected to see tears. Heck, I felt like crying. I gave her all the reassurance I could, talking to her soothingly, even apologized to her for my idiotic behavior. I didn't need or want a vicious dog, so I had trained her accordingly. There were several situations that showed me she was perfectly capable of protecting me...I stopped her because her bark and the breed's reputation was enough to scare people away. On the other hand, she didn't scare the kids in the neighborhood at all. Back in those days, when you could let your dog run free for a little bit, I'd let her out and she'd tour the neighborhood via backyards. A bunch of little ones, none older than 7 were walking past my house and my dobie started barking and charging toward them. I yelled STOP and it was like a cartoon character skidding to a stop...she never crossed the property line. I apologized to the kids for my dog scaring them. They laughed and said 'she doesn't scare us; she's our friend'. Guess that's what she was doing for 15 minutes each morning...making friends with the neighborhood children. Now some might say that certain breeds are bred for certain traits (I get that), the nasty ones in particular, and label entire breeds as mean. However, if you start training them from the minute you get any dog, show them no violence, lots of love, respect, praise, and rewards, those nasty traits that were bred into them don't necessarily have to ever surface.

"dawn james" said...

you are very naive.