Monday, August 8, 2011

pit nutter roundup

originally published 5/29/11. BUMP for renewed interest.
taylor you can thank pittybritty and cyclona.

THOMAS TELLEKSON

rogers, arkansas a pit bull jumped through the window and attacked a UPS driver as he delivered a package. the police responded. attempts to taser the frankenmauler only seemed to piss him off. when the mutant tried to attack bystanders, the police opened fire on it. now the TELLEKSON comes forth to say the shit bull was never aggressive before and showed the KY3 news warm and fuzzy photos of his child and nanny dog. TELLEKSON said the shooting constitutes murder. he said would have rather gone to jail than to see his family member killed and that his girl friend is having nightmares.
THOMAS H. TELLEKSON was convicted of second degree sexual assault of a child in 2007. i wonder if his victim is still having nightmares?



COREY LAMONTAGNE

leeds, maine 34 yr old LAMONTAGNE is in trouble with the law again. last january his shit bull attacked a llama. he pled guilty in february, was fined and apologized to the llama's owner. LAMONTAGNE went to court last week for the theft of a tractor that he tried to pawn to undercover cops but was intercepted by DEA agents. the pit nutter had a backpack full of drugs: 22 grams of coke, 58 ecstasy pills, 375 methadone pills, 76 diluadid pills and 14 grams of psilocybin mushrooms. estimated value $8300. looks like the entrepreneur didn't acquire another shit bull to protect his business and has to guard it himself 24/7.



JANICE RAMIREZ, 55 and ASHLEY RAMIREZ, 21

vero beach, floriduh team psycho has been charged with animal cruelty after taping a pig's mouth closed and setting their pit mix dogs on it AND video taping it AND posting it on facebook. thankfully, people reported them.



DERRICK ANTONIO TATE

spartanburg, south carolina deranged 27 yr old TATE and an equally deranged buddy approached a 53 yr old woman and asked if they could buy her pit bull for $70. when she refused, they pulled a gun on her, threatened to kill her and took the pit bull. the victim recognized TATE as the son of a long time acquaintance. TATE has been charged with first degree burglary, armed robbery and felon in possession of firearm


ALEXANDER BERNARD

hamden, connecticut 25 year old BERNARD claims that no one liked his 8 month old staffordshire terrier, so he stabbed her 29 times. the pit bull is in stable condition. i wonder why no one liked her? advice to BERNARD, next time try silver bullets or wooden stakes or maybe just call animal control.


KENNETH HALL

atlantis, floriduh 40 yr old HALL was sentenced to a year in prison for slitting his pit bulls throat after it got into a fight with his friend's dog. HALL claimed he was putting her out of her misery. this was HALL's ninth arrest.


DAWN CAPP, Esq.

sacramento, california thanks to blogger Sudden Random Unprovoked and Violent for pointing out a recent blog written by pit nutter DAWN CAPP. she proves yet AGAIN that pit bull advocates are incapable of telling the truth.
here's CAPP on service pit bulls and planes in 2011"
here's CAPP on service pit bulls and planes in 2004:
the above excerpt was taken from paragraph 3, page 7, of the esquire's 2004 book "American Pit Bull Terriers, The Truth Behind One of America's Most Popular Breeds". how awesome it would be if these creepy lunatics could be charged with crimes of deception. i know, that's just a fantasy. but how about this for reality - CAPP graduated from thomas jefferson school of law, the fifth worst law school in the nation with some of the worst faculty ratings and the lowest bar exam passing rate in the state of california. it's all starting to make sense now...


fun with washington nutters

22 year old pit bull owner/breeder/expert MELANIE OHLENKAMP

kent, washington a pit bull went on a rampage, attacking 2 people, killing one dog and attacking 3 others, chasing kids, attacking a police car and attempting to attack a cop. an aco described the pit jumping over a 5 ft wall, "as if it had wings". surprisingly (and disappointingly) the manhunt ended with the mutants being taken into custody without gunshot wounds. although no one has claimed ownership of the rampaging mutant, the lovely miss pit nutter of washington MELANIE OHLENKAMP stepped forward to claim her 10 seconds of fame defending the frankenmauler. "People in general should not be in fear of this dog i mean he's super friendly with people but if you have other dogs and you're walking them you should be very careful just because if he's not familiar with other animals, you know, you just don't know." oh, i think she DOES know. the reporter said that that the young woman is familiar with the pit bull, so she knows who the owner is. or maybe she is the owner.
now meet the REAL melanie.
i am fascinated by the level of narcissism among pit nutters. they are so predictable. take note $hotgun $hortcake: beauty fades, dumb is forever.
Washington Courts
1 Ohlenkamp, Melanie
Defendant
King County District 103-10788 02-08-2010
2 Ohlenkamp, Melanie Anne
Defendant
Lower Kittitas Dist 9Y6176884 06-29-2009
3 Ohlenkamp, Melanie Anne
Defendant
Enumclaw Municipal IT0108900 12-24-2009
4 Ohlenkamp, Melanie Anne
Defendant
Seatac Municipal IT0035955 09-17-2007


JUSTIN LaVALLEY

kirkland, washington a seattle man drove his dogs to a kirkland park and let them loose. they locked and loaded on a german shepherd. when LaVALLEY and the gsd owner couldn't get the pits off, the gsd owner pulled his legally owned and concealed pistol and shot one of the ugly dogs. independent witnesses say the gsd owner had no choice. JUSTIN NUTTER LaVALLEY of course admits his dogs were fighting but doesn't feel the victim should have used gun. (under no circumstances should wiggle butt ever be interrupted from flexing his DNA!) too bad, LaVALLEY'S ugly dog is still alive. here are his two uninjured ugly mutants, sitting in the back of his pick up truck, unrestrained. ANOTHER "oops moment" waiting to happen.


Washington Courts
1 Lavalley, Justin
 Defendant 
King Co Superior Ct 02-2-01775-4
01-11-2002
2 Lavalley, Justin
 Defendant 
King Co Superior Ct 03-2-39045-3
10-23-2003
3 Lavalley, Justin R
 Defendant 
King Co Superior Ct 06-2-17504-2
05-25-2006
4 Lavalley, Justin R
 Defendant 
King Co Superior Ct 06-2-36032-0
11-13-2006
5 Lavalley, Justin R K
Defendant
Fife Municipal FRL307404 05-14-2013
6 Lavalley, Justin Richard
Defendant
King County District 115-18049 10-17-2011
7 Lavalley, Justin Richard K
Defendant
Kirkland Municipal XY0231384 04-30-2010
8 Lavalley, Justin Richard K
Defendant
King County District CR0028929 12-11-2006
9 Lavalley, Justin Richard K
Defendant
Bothell Municipal 14547 08-25-2005
10 Lavalley, Justin Richard K
Defendant
King County District CR0028928 12-11-2006
11 Lavalley, Justin Richard K
Defendant
Grant County Dist Ct 21996 08-30-2001


we interrupt this frankenmauling moment with a little POSITIVE pr from the land of FABB/JESSUP/BUI!!

tacoma, washington bullseye dog rescue will be having a little fun playing the find the pit bull game. starting june first, low income judgement proof nutters can take advantage of free spay neuter, free obedience training and free pit bull owner only workshops, so you can learn how your fighting dogs (with top-rated temperaments) are no different than any other dog. i hear there will be a game of breed charades and tips on how to successfully dine and dash. these "pit bull only" events are sponsored by and carry the JANE BERKEY seal of approval.

nutters, don't gorge yourselves on the propaganda, save room for truth dessert!
and last but not least...
the ethereal TAYLOR HERNANDEZ, who is as comfortable rubbing elbows with dog fighting scum as she is with rescue angel nutters, tells her story. one of her friends sent me this :)
Why I love the Bulldogs
My personal story

-- Why I love the Bulldogs My personal story I get asked Hey Taylor why do you love this breed so much. Taylor why do you fight for the "gamebred" dog's. Or Tay why are you always fighting with everyone over this breed. Well to me it is so... simple. To me it's like fighting for air to breath. Because with out the dogs in my life I would suffocate. So here is my story. In 1989 I was born. But I was born into a family of bulldogs. My father his father and his father father. All had bulldogs. Yes most of you may not agree with what they did with their dog's however it is what it is and there is nothing anyone could do to change that. I grew up working with my father in the yard. Since I could walk I was out side with my father cleaning feeding and playing with these dogs. I have seen it all before i was in pre K. My Grandfather Jerome Hernandez was a very nice well spoken man who loved the dogs his father raised him with them as well. My Grandfather unlike many others of today even though he was too raised with dogs had to find his own mark and find what worked for him. From what I was told there wasn't many bloodlines to choose from. But of a few and a lot of imported and unknown dogs. He would save everything even to this day I have hand written pedigrees that came from my Great Grand father The oldest I have dates back from 1902 and there is a photo with it and a detailed story about such dog. However I can not find this dog any where online and half of the writing is worn off. My grandfather was around a lot of people one of them he helped was Sonny Sykes. Many may not know who that is and thats fine. So what I am getting at it seems each person in my family even till today myself has seem to fight to do the best for their dogs and in their own way nothing should be handed to us. We all need to fight for them and not expect the work to be done by someone else no matter who you are where you have come from and what you did or didn't do. I have been blessed with so many educational tools and lessons before i was old enough to be thankful for them. I got to see dogs at their best and at their worst. I wasn't sure of my true love of them until I was blessed with my first true love and bond with my first special dog. His name was Peanut. He was so beautiful more like a wild mustang full of life and confidence. He stood at that time as tall as me I was able to look directly into his eyes he could of very easily knocked me down but he was very aware of my smallness and had never tried to over power me ever. He was of an old Carver x colby cross. My grandfather was much into the old Carver dogs. Not really sure why Peanut was bred the way he was But I am sure it was for a reason. He was black with white markings one blue eye and one half blue and brown eye. with big floppy long hound like ears. with big white feet to me that looked like bear feet. My father was also in the services The Marines. He was an old Jar head so to speak. He would get a lot of special trips to do and so on and would be gone for time to time. My father was my world and I loved him very much so he was my Hero. I think more dads of today should take some lessons from my old man. He was the best. At times it may have seem he was hard on me but in all I wouldn't be the strong woman I am today if i didn't have them.When my dad was deployed all I had was the dogs and My dog Peanut. I loved that dog. He would put Lassie to shame. we did everything together even play tea parties. Yes I played tea parties lol. Through the tough times of my life I always had Peanut and he never left my side not ever. My dog Peanut boy oh boy that dog. Even till this day i can laugh and cry at all the times I had with him. I would sneak him in the house at night till my dad gave in and let him become the house dog. he would sleep at the end of my bed. He was a stuff animal destroyer he killed all of my much loved collection but it was worth it never the less. I would share my not so good veggies with him and he would eat them with no complaints. And no one had to know our secrets. Summer times we would go to the lake and go swimming. One day Peanut saved me. One afternoon while in the deep wooded area of VA where I shouldn't of been in the first place. We walked up on a Black bear. This Black bear didn't seem to be too pleased with us walking up on it. and I was young but not too young to understand Bears are dangerous even more so when spooked. This bear was making this loud growl and stomping it's feet. showing its teeth and staring me down. I didn't move out of fright. Peanut however didn't like this bear and made it be known so. As the bear came charging at us. I just stood there like a deer in head lights. Peanut however wasn't as scared and charged back biting the bear on the face that bear flung peanut off like a plastic bag in the wind and the bear came at me but Peanut however came back not backing down and charging that bear once again. By then I climbed up the tree and was screaming hoping someone like my dad would hear me. The bear would swat at Peanut and peanut would hold his ground and keep coming back. By then peanut was all bleeding and the bear didn't seem to be tired or willing to give up as well. But after a while well what seem to be a life time that bear decided to move on and Peanut went chasing after him. I was still in the tree crying and screaming. Thinking my best friend is dead or lost. Finally my uncle comes back there and found me. I was crying so hard as my uncle scooped me up over his shoulder he didn't seem to care much where peanut went. I begged him to please find Peanut. I knew my best friend was hurt and I knew even back then that my dog wouldn't give up and no one was there looking for him to stop him. My Dad wasn't home and wasn't planed to be home till the next day. He had taken his dog Little Shirley out of state to be bred by his friend Jack's dog I believed that dogs name was Blackie That would be the only time Sherley was ever bred later on she had died after a match. That night was so long I didn't sleep for a second. My best friend was gone and alone some where out there. The next day I was up bright and early and headed out to look for my best friend Peanut. I had his favorite in hand a pack of raw hot dogs and a big bottle of water. But I also took back up in case that bear was still around so I took my fathers big hunting knife that was never used. something no little girl should be caring but back then I didn't think so. I called and called and called some more. Where was peanut? When noon came around I had almost given up hope before I had spotted a black flash in some bushes with those neon white markings. There was my friend all beat up limping and bleeding his head was swollen and a slash along the side of him that would show his flesh. Yet he was as chipper as could be wagging his tail and seemed to have been as happy to see me as i was him. When I got home I had seen my Fathers truck in our driveway. He was on the porch getting ready to check all of the dogs and feed them. At that time there was 90 plus dogs there. So There was always work to be done. He turned around took one look at me and another at Peanut and boy he wasn't happy one bit. But he asked me very nicely what had happen to him . Once I told him boy was he very angry for being so dumb to go into the wooded area that far back alone. And at that moment I knew it really wasn't so much anger but maybe fear that I could of been attacked by the bear. My father loved all the wild animals there even if they are dangerous he always felt that we are on their land and we need to give them space. If you been attacked it was due to our meaning humans neglect to be respectful of the animals space. But still I was his little girl. He so quickly grab Peanut and took him to the shed and put him on iv fluids and gave him a few shots one for infection and another for making sure peanut wouldn't go into shock. I don't remember the names of any of them. I do remember him explaining this to me and telling me how important it was that Peanut got those things. He then gave a shot for pain where Peanut's flesh was open. He then had given him another shot that put Peanut to a sleep. He then took a big bottle of clear liquid and poured it over the open wounds and had to cut some of the flesh off. My father had me watch him do this he felt it was needed for me to learn how to do these things. He then put straws inside where he was putting stitches around this whole time my father was checking the dogs oxygen and his heart I was simply amazed at this. My father took over like some sort of Doctor or in the case a Vet. Peanut recovered nicely after he had his much needed rest with us. And grown a custom to bacon and eggs and French toast. My dad would make the best breakfast and by this time Peanut was set a bowl as well plus left overs. By 5 months Peanut was a fat dog but that is what happens when you have a whole family plus people who came over to help my father with the dogs all give Peanut scraps and left overs. By then Peanut was fully healed and my father had an eye on him. He then thought it was time Peanut worked off the extra pounds. My father for months worked with Peanut got him nice and lean he even took him to shows every time Peanut went he would always win Peanut was turning heads all over the place. When ever someone would ask about Peanut my father would point to me and tell them that he belong to me. Some thought it was a joke and others thought it was cute but my father really meant it... Then my father had asked me if I wanted to see if Peanut could prove himself. And I thought sure I had seen my dad test dogs before. I was young what did I know so he did just that. He took Peanut to his litter mate brother his name was Snoopy. My father liked the way they both turned out he then took him to a friend of his dog who was slightly bigger his name was buck he then too said he seen a lot in Peanut. Not much later My father went out of state with Peanut and he matched him to a dog my Grandfather had named Boyel . From what I was told Boyel was experience dog. My father however believed in Peanut. Peanut had an advantage Peanut was not just a bulldog but was also a house dog and had a very heavy bond with us. My father said they went at it back and forth for over an hour a hard hour my grandfather then picked up his dog Boyel and said he had enough. When My father came home with Peanut I didn't like it Peanut looked rough real rough. My dad once again fixed him up and months later Peanut was back to his old self with a few more scars yet he was still the same old Peanut. Peanut and myself started to get older our bond was always the same he was my best friend he was there when no one else was. Peanut and I still went out in the woods even though i had known better. I just felt like it was a home away from home sometimes it felt more home then the one I lived in. It was the one place I was able to see Peanut run and be free as did I. He would fetch sticks and have races with me. We would jump in old pile of leaves and find treasures. It came that time again My father took Peanut back out. But this time wasn't like the rest My father along with a friend Had Peanut wrapped in a sheet My father didn't look happy. I heard of some yelling among my father and his friend something had gone wrong. Peanut wasn't wagging his tail. I walked over to the shed where my father was he was covered in blood. His friend yelling just take out back it aint worth it. My father was sweating I knew something was wrong. My father looked over at me with this lost face. He didn't have that full confidant look on his face. Peanut was just layingthere. My father was giving him shots of whatever he started CPR Peanut just didn't budge. I knew my best friend wasn't coming back and I blamed my father when he looked at me and said he tried it all I started to scream he killed the one thing in my life who never was away he knew gave up on me Peanut was always there He knew all of my secrets. In that split second My father went from my hero to someone I hated. And I did. Peanut laid there on this big steal table eyes wide open I seen my reflection in his eyes. I kissed his nose as I fell down I hurt that night more then ever. The pain of losing my best friend was a pain that was unbearable. It's a feeling of being kicked in your stomach and you lose your breath. You can't hold your head up. The world feels as if it leaning on your shoulders. I didn't care that Peanut won his last match. That didn't matter to me. What did matter was I no longer had my friend my pal the one thing that was always there who was never busy was now gone. My father was no longer my Hero he was a murder. From that day on I knew I wouldn't want to see this happen again. The day we buried Peanut I promised him that I'd never let hurt happen to any other dog in my life or in my care. I promised him I'd never forget him and I wont. I haven't bonded with another dog till much later in my life and that is my heart and sole Gambler. I see the same sparkle in Gambler when he is with my own little girl. I see a bond with them as I had with my own dog. They will never have to face what I did when I was her age. She will never have to say good bye to her best friend in the same manner as I did. But there fight is a bit different then mine and that is BSL. BSL can always strike it's something of the same. It is like a virus. And is spreading state to state and town by town. I feel my love for this breed for all the little boys and girls and their Peanuts and Gamblers. They need to be heard they need us to fight for them. I wont give up some may say I have no right to fight for BSL since I come from a family of dog fighters but I believe I have to fight more so because of that. I must change my family past for this breed make my way to give back to the dogs. Understand them in a way most can not.Or most can't handle. I can't see another dog die due to a virus our government's sets. As far as my father I didn't forgive him till the day we buried him. I felt if anything he had to answer god. I loved my dad I really do and still do he is my father after all. And he was doing what he was raised in doing. It was just the way it was. He has a passion in it just like I have one not in it and helping the breed. Maybe I wasn't into it because of Peanut maybe in the jest of it all he helped me see a different way. Maybe it's because I am a female and tend to be more on the emotional side. Who knows why I turned out to be who I was but I am what I am and I have every intention of being of just that being me and standing by what I love. I am thankful for my life long lessons and find myself still being a student I am always learning and keeping my ears open to all of the possibilities. I wish that one day that my own experiences can help someone else and maybe change just one person. Maybe one day we of all sides who love the breed/breeds can come together and help with the fight and end BSL. maybe even help an irresponsible owner become of an responsible one Maybe one day it's a dream and that is all it needs to be everyone had a dream but very few fight to make them come true. I haven't given in yet and still fighting. Each day I find a way or dot down a plan of making changes and helping . That is it folks this is my story why I am who I am and why I love these dogs and why I am in the fight and as passionate as I am about the breed. Hope you enjoyed or if anything understand who I am a bit more
By: Taylor Hernandez

*TAYNADO is 22 yrs old, that makes her father an illegal dogfighter.

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DubV said...

pittybritty said...

"You can not blame the entire breed when when such a tragedy happens. The same as you cannot blame all of a certain race when one member commits a horrific crime."

No one blames all pit bulls for one incident. However, only a fool thinks it is not correct to generalize about certain things. Generalization is required for most thinking and is the very principle of induction. Generalizing about breeds based upon observed, repeated behavior is entirely rational. In fact, it is why various dog breeds were created, so that we could prejudge puppies for various activities. Dog breeds are not remotely similar to races of humans. Dog breeds were created by humans for specific traits. Casting all generalization as similar to racism is irrational.

pittybritty said...

April, please explain at what age is someone no longer consisdered "judgment proof"?

How exactly does someones breed preference make them a loon? Its my opinion that labs are butt ugly and all have the same generic personality ( toss the ball toss the ball toss the ball!) You think APBT Is an ugly breed, that is your opinion and doesn't make you a "loon"!

scurrilous amateur blogger said...

toss the ball toss the ball toss the ball toss the ball toss the ball

or

eviscerate the poodle deface the sheep neuter the pony scalp the child amputate the old woman

tough choices

DubV said...

pittybritty please re-read my comment

"cyclona said..

"i think labs are ugly, dumb and mean. i do not want one. i want pit bulls:) you get a lab if you like them:)"

This proves you are a loon. Most estimates place labs as one of the most intelligent breeds, and they rarely if ever kill/maim people. The looks of them is in the eye of the beholder but what you stated otherwise is demonstrably false. At the very least, they vastly exceed pit bulls in temperament and intelligence. Labs are the most popular pure breed in the US for a reason."

As far as breed choice reflecting on you poorly....if someone makes a really bad decision (and I feel strongly that owning a pit bull is a poor decision and that's kinda the point of a lot that goes on here), then it does in fact reflect poorly on you.

So asking how or why owning a pit bull may affect someone's opinion of you is kind of fatuous question on this blog.

cyclona said...

who are doing the estimates on any breed being intelligent? it is not like they can take an iq test. i see the gsd's being used for most of the police work. i cannot stand those temp. tests either. how could they possibly be taken seriously? the pit nutters are famous for throwing those stats. around. the temp. tests cost money so people have to pay and drag their dogs to god knows who for the test. even the test itself is questionable.

cyclona said...

lol @ toss the ball
they all do seem to have the same generic personality you are so right as do the people who choose them for real. i love the lab at the liquor store. nice dog and we play this game where i pretend to shoot her with a fake gun and she pretends to fall over dead. i consider that lab a dear friend. i take her raw bones once in a while. was that a lab the yuppie couple in the movie best in show had?

i could care less what people think of me. it was difficult when we first moved into the neighborhood with the pit bulls. people assumed we were drug dealing dog fighters from brooklyn. after years living here my dogs are the favorite of the neighborhood. they are perfectly behaved. they do not even bark at people walking by the house with their dogs.

cyclona said...

i am here with the truth about the real apbt. i am more concerned about the nutters listening to me than people like craven. the nutters never listen to me until some unfortunate incident has happened.

DubV said...

cyclona,

I made the lab temperament statement not based upon the ATTS, which I know is faulty due to self-selection bias, but based upon common knowledge and the fatality record.

One way dog intelligence is gauged is the number of repetition it takes before they master a behavior. They are service dogs of choice for this reason. This is similar to how human intelligence is gauged. Someone who at their first job learns to use the cash register in 10 minutes is likely much smarter than the person who has to take the training video home and watch it for a week.

DubV said...

cyclona, the problem I'm having is that you seem to be talking out of both sides of your mouth. The real APBT is great but then bad things happen because of nutters. So what is your honest view of the breed?

If you care to, please write it in a compact form with paragraph breaks so that your various points are clear.

april 29 said...

cyclona said..

"i think labs are ugly, dumb and mean. i do not want one. i want pit bulls:)

Why would anyone want dogs that they can't identify?

cyclona said
" i do not know much about labs. i do not like the way they look and i have no interest in owning one."

How do you know they are Labs? If you can't identify a pit bull, how would you identify a Lab?

cyclona said
"i am a nurse so my sentence structure is not exactly normal, either"

Please explain that... no, don't bother. I tire of your tall tales and excuses.

Forget it Dub, these two are beyond rational thought.

Anonymous said...

love a woman who talks tough and fucks like a bunny. do u fuck like a bunny, little lady? cuz bobby peru , he'l jump all around that hole like a big ole jack rabbit bunny. bobby peru dont come up for air!

cyclona said...

i was just wondering about the intelligence tests you were talking about dub. i was just doing my own personal bashing of that test all the crazy people act like is the final word and proof of something. there is a lot that affects the ability of a dog to learn like willingness. it is much easier for me to teach tricks after the dog has the basic training mastered. my gsd was amazing. it was so easy to teach him new tricks. lol my parrot is smarter than any dog i have ever met and a much better watch dog, too!!!

cyclona said...

my honest view of the apbt is they are very dangerous especially in the care of the nutters who refuse to believe they are nothing more than sweet fluffy bunnies. i think most of the dogs the nutters get their hands on probably are harmless but once in a while a real apbt shows up in need of rescue. the dogs are dangerous in the hands of thugs who are very careless about keeping their dogs home and also breed them and sell them to more stupid people who are careless, too. the real apbt's i have owned and worked with have all been very sweet dogs towards humans with no exceptions. few have been trustworthy around other dogs. i am nervous about any grown dogs being around little kids. i do love everything about apbt's but it does not mean i do not accept the truth about them. they are strong and can be very dangerous. i love guns, too and they are not safe in the wrong hands either. i am less than thrilled with many pit bull owners and many gun owners. it is really a shame that people cannot take their dogs for a walk or allow their children out to play without the threat of a dog attack. i certainly do not want to lose my right to own a dog or gun because other people are irresponsible and ignorant. the only possible way i see that seems fair to make things safer is to really throw the book at irresponsible dog owners. giant fines for those who let their dogs wander the streets might help.

Anonymous said...

CYCLONA. have you got tatoos and piercings and if u have ,where and what are they?

Anonymous said...

CYCLONA. have u got any interesting tats and piercings and what and where are they?

cyclona said...

just one simple but classy (i think) tattoo. it is a pentagram on my forehead. it really comforts my patients in the hospital. i was thinking of maybe getting another. do you have any suggestions? no tramp stamps for me:) probably something on my neck.

Anonymous said...

opps. snarky aka bobby peru to cyclona. im having some problems here. girls nite out.

Anonymous said...

well, yes, i do have one suggestion but that might also be a problem for your patients. what about piercings? i myself have thinking of two snarling pitbulls ready to do deadly combat on my chest and also a bull ring in my septum

scurrilous amateur blogger said...

i paid to see a classy tattoo.

pittybritty said...

April, please tell what age someone has to be to not be considered "judgment proof"?

Dubv, itseems alittle "looney" to call someone a "loon" on their breed preference. To me labs are butt ugly and all have the same (toss the ball toss the ball toss theball!) Generic personalities.
And they are ugly as hell! Iv never seen a lab I thought was good looking.

cyclona said...

hail bobby peru! my dog barks some. lol i do have piercings but with the tattoo it might be a little too much to wear jewelry in the piercings. i just have the two normal in my ears. i go more for the golfer look than the classic pit bull style. believe it or not i am taking a break from ironing pit bull scarves and dresses. who is the real true nutter? i confess!!! my dogs actually have a personal clothing designer. my dogs would not be caught dead in those cheap made in china clothes they sell at petsmart and even some of the boutiques. my designer is a genius!!! she makes dog clothes out of recycled vintage people clothing. LOL i even take my dogs to the chiropractor.

pittybritty said...

Lol! The pentagram on the forehead and huge printed name across the neck is the only way to go for us nutters!
OOPS!( I meant I laughed- out- loud ) to that comment..

Bagheera Kiplingi said...

Cyclona, Does this look like a REAL american pit bull terrier?

cyclona said...

britty i am assuming means you are in england. it took me all day to get it. i find the pentagram is one of the best ways to dress for success. it is true about first impressions.

cyclona said...

not at all to me but he is adorable. maybe abd? some of mine have a blood hound kind of look to them but they are as real as you get.

pittybritty said...

"Generalizing about breeds based upon observed, repeated behavior is entirely rational. In fact, it is why various dog breeds were created, so that we could prejudge puppies for various activities. Dog breeds are not remotely similar to races of humans. Dog breeds were created by humans for specific traits. Casting all generalization as similar to racism is irrational."

If you are going to judge someone based on a breed of dog they prefer, than you atleast need to go off of that breeds standerd. For the amount of APBT and mixes there is (ridiculous numbers) it is actually the exception for those who have and may attack and should not be considered acceptable. Any APBT showing any signs of human aggression(without an underlining illness or injury, that would result in pain) should be putdown and under NO circumstance should ever be bred! Any accredited expert will say the same. Human aggression is not normal for the breed and should not be tolerated.
It is not of the breeds standerd to be human aggressive, therefor you cannot consider the entire or even the general population to be like these child maulers. It is very possible to have a dog aggressive or selective APBT but that is the owners responsibility to either keep under control or take precautions to keep other pets and animals safe. When someones animal gets killed of hurt, there i is only the irresponsible owner to blame!
If you ar going to judge someone because the breed the prefer, judge on the mass majority of the breed and not the small irregular percentage.

cyclona said...

all true pitty britty it is really astounding with the number of pit bulls and mixes out there we are not seeing more incidents of attacks. one of the reasons i love them so much is they are so loving to their humans. for sure the wrong breed to choose if you are looking for a dog whose nature it is to protect the home. craven mentioned a colby incident with a dog killing a child. i have not checked into the story yet but even that is quite a testament to the character of the dogs. we know the colby dogs were real pit bull terriers and most pit bulls around today came from that family. one incident in all those years and thousands of dogs is not a bad statistic. i am interested in checking out what happened. lou will not be able to tell me now that he is gone.

Anonymous said...

Dogfighter nonsense...They are human aggressive and the choice of Meth Dealers.

We judge Pedophiles and Drunk Drivers all the time...What's different about someone who would bring such an animal into a neighborhood?!?

pittybritty said...

Sorry about the typos:)

cyclona said...

lol at the choices meth. dealers make. none that i have ever met or worked with are human aggressive. no doubt some human aggressive apbt's were left in breeding programs thru the years. the meth. dealers if they had any brains would choose a different breed to watch for them. when i was a kid it was dobermans for the drug dealers. i do not know much about dobermans but i babysat one for a weekend once and she would not let anyone in my apartment. i found a baby doberman in the road once and she was the same way. she would not let anyone near me. she had to be only 6-8 weeks old when i found her. i did not keep her i found a good home for her. it was pretty clear she was a natural born watchdog. apbt's are anything but.

pittybritty said...

Vintage, I am not a dope dealer or dog fighter. I have affectively responsibly kept this breed my entire life, without incident, without ever seeing one of these "man killers" for myself and I'm pretty sure I have much more experience with this breed than you have had. I'm sure with the amount of exposure iv had, I certainly would have encountered one of the "bad ones" by now, if this was normal behavior and temperment for this breed.
I'm not by anymeans saying things have not happened or minimizing the horror, I know victoms have faced. Fact is; the majority of APBT owners are not thugs,druggies or dealers. Sure you hear about those owners the most because they cause news for themselves, and yes there is allot of them but by no means are they majority.
Fact is; this is not acceptable behavior or standerd for this breed, it is the few out of hundreds of thousands you base your false opinion on.

cyclona said...

everyone is welcome to judge anyone they want to. i understand totally why my neighbors judged us when we moved in with expensive cars and pit bulls. it took a few years for them to appreciate how quiet our dogs are. we live in a neighborhood of dogs that never shut up and are running loose. i love it when the dogs are loud because it just makes mine look like the angels they are. i am always taking the loose dogs home and having polite discussion with the irresponsible owners. i want to scream at them but we do have to live here.

pittybritty said...

And... if I were to become a druggie or a dealer, this would not be my breed of choice if I needed a dog to gaurd my shit.
Like Craven has said, its more likely the APBT would help clean you out and them probably willingly leave with their new buddies.
Not great gaurd dogs, that for sure.
That's not to say one wouldn't give their life protecting a loved member of the family, but when it comes to property and objects, they could care less if it needs to be guarded. That a job for another breed.

cyclona said...

comparing families that own pit bulls to baby rapers and people who drive drunk is riduckulous but funny. it is not illegal now or will it ever be to own a dog.

cyclona said...

once again i second everything the little english girl said

cyclona said...

i disagree with one thing so far you have said but agree 100% with the rest. i do not think it is a fact most of the pit bull owners are not scum bags. i am paraphrasing what you called them. i think most of the people who own them are pure trash. which explains why with the overpopulation a miniscule few are getting into big trouble, hurting animals and people. they are becoming more popular with nice people but not quick enough. i would much rather have them be few and still in the hands of families like the colby people. one incident in 1901 is not bad. a two year old should not have been wandering alone in a yard of any kind of dogs. human error again. yes, it was a yard accident as colby called it. of course he kept it as quiet as possible. was he supposed to turn on the dogs when it it was his fault? i wonder which dog it was. omg, i saw in another thread which was fascinating to read you did a google sat. of the colby property and other research. now lou is dead but you could have just called him and asked. he was very friendly and probably would have invited you over to meet the dogs and chickens:) i am happy you all can see some of the mapping that went into his breeding program. a lot more than just throwing two dogs of the same breed together and selling them. craven, you probably know way more about the history of the breed than i could possibly know with your extensive and impressive research. couple things i noticed got lost in the translation like names but very accurate. you would be SHOCKED if you knew who i was. not a colby is all i will say:)

DubV said...

cyclona said...

"the real apbt's i have owned and worked with have all been very sweet dogs towards humans with no exceptions. few have been trustworthy around other dogs."

This first sentence seems like a classic No True Scotsman fallacy. This is similarly applied to owners to determine if they are responsible.

The last line and the rest of what you wrote basically sums to:

All else being equal, APBTs pose an elevated risk to any living thing they can possibly interact with. Therefore, it is a poor choice for anyone, including cyclona, to have one. But people want to do selfish things that please them, chronically underestimate how they put others at risk, and most people think they can handle it because they are somehow "special" and extra vigilante.

Not this is not what you wrote, but it is the logical implications of it.

Using your gun analogy, if I really had an infatuation with a type of handgun that needed special care to be safe and posed an elevated risk, do you know what I would do? I would get over the infatuation and buy something that makes more sense.

DubV said...

pittybritty...

"Dubv, itseems alittle "looney" to call someone a "loon" on their breed preference."

This might be true if the choice made was a trifling. Let's say I love Chesapeake Bay retrievers and think all Lab owners are nut balls. Yeah, that would be dumb. If some purposefully chooses a more dangerous breed for no reason that really can be justified other than "I like them", then yes I feel confident judging that. Most people outside of pit bull land and humane world and rescue angel cloud do as well.

DubV said...

cyclona said..

"was he supposed to turn on the dogs when it it was his fault?"

This is one of the clever little sidestep moves people make, perhaps without realizing because they are mimicking another. "Fault" and "blame" and "guilt" and other terms all imply moral agency. Therefore, it always seems a bit odd to use them on dogs. So you capitalize on this. In fact, a dog could do anything and you would find a way it wasn't its fault, I am guessing. This also has to do with the view that dog's have less of that stuff people refer to as "free will" which is related to how much of that the stuff they have called "a soul". It's all silly and we can dispatch with it. Before I go on, I'll say this, if a dog is not responsible for its negative actions then it is not responsible for its positive actions either. So, stop admiring your dog or any other for their behavior right now.

What you should be doing is thinking in terms of cause and effect and contributing factors. The breed of that dog of Colby's that killed certainly had an influence. The reaction that dog had based upon its brain structure and past experiences (perhaps as close any of us get to "free will") also played a role. Some dogs suck way more than others on the human scale of "sucks".

DubV said...

pittybritty said..

"And they are ugly as hell! Iv never seen a lab I thought was good looking."

Once you love something, it will always be beautiful to you.

I'll let the skin horse from the velvetine rabbit finish this one out, just 'cause.

"The Skin Horse had lived longer in the nursery than any of the others. He was so old that his brown coat was bald in patches and showed the seams underneath, and most of the hairs in his tail had been pulled out to string bead necklaces. He was wise, for he had seen a long succession of mechanical toys arrive to boast and swagger, and by-and-by break their mainsprings and pass away, and he knew that they were only toys, and would never turn into anything else. For nursery magic is very strange and wonderful, and only those playthings that are old and wise and experienced like the Skin Horse understand all about it.

"What is REAL?" asked the Rabbit one day, when they were lying side by side near the nursery fender, before Nana came to tidy the room. "Does it mean having things that buzz inside you and a stick-out handle?"

"Real isn't how you are made," said the Skin Horse. "It's a thing that happens to you. When a child loves you for a long, long time, not just to play with, but REALLY loves you, then you become Real."

"Does it hurt?" asked the Rabbit.
"Sometimes," said the Skin Horse, for he was always truthful. "When you are Real you don't mind being hurt."

"Does it happen all at once, like being wound up," he asked, "or bit by bit?"

"It doesn't happen all at once," said the Skin Horse. "You become. It takes a long time. That's why it doesn't happen often to people who break easily, or have sharp edges, or who have to be carefully kept. Generally, by the time you are Real, most of your hair has been loved off, and your eyes drop out and you get loose in the joints and very shabby. But these things don't matter at all, because once you are Real you can't be ugly, except to people who don't understand."
"I suppose you are real?" said the Rabbit. And then he wished he had not said it, for he thought the Skin Horse might be sensitive.
But the Skin Horse only smiled."

DubV said...

"i even take my dogs to the chiropractor."

I wouldn't do this. Chiropractors are on a gradient, but most believe many things that is not scientifically defensible. They are also often homeopaths. I think most of the relief is like the mild euphoria I feel after leaving a dentist. The pain is gone and I've been tense in the chair for an hour and now I'm not.

cyclona said...

all things aren't equal lol and omg you are seriously pawing at straws by taking apart every word lol. i have tons of experience with the dogs that you do not have. the label selfish is fine by me. most people are selfish. i have no problem admitting it. i am going to have the dogs i want to have even if you do not like it lol. i could care less who is bothered by my dogs. LOL i think you might have real things to worry about. i am kind of jealous if you have nothing more to be scared or concerned about than a dog. there is little chance my dogs are going to hurt anyone. could happen. if you are that nervous about pit bulls carry a firearm with you in the event one attacks you.

cyclona said...

lol more pawing at straws and splitting hairs the already been split. you cannot give one incident where the dog and his/her free will was responsible for anything bad that happened to a living creature or even a piece of furniture. so funny you are trying to tell people how to think. why would anyone have to justify anything to a total stranger. you certainly do not have to justify your love of labs or whatever to me or hatred, fear, dislike or LOL OBSESSION of pit bulls to me or anyone else. CRAZYWORLD the discussion is a fun break from ironing dog dresses:)

DubV said...

pittybritty said..

"If you are going to judge someone based on a breed of dog they prefer, than you atleast need to go off of that breeds standerd. For the amount of APBT and mixes there is (ridiculous numbers) it is actually the exception for those who have and may attack and should not be considered acceptable. Any APBT showing any signs of human aggression(without an underlining illness or injury, that would result in pain) should be putdown and under NO circumstance should ever be bred! Any accredited expert will say the same. Human aggression is not normal for the breed and should not be tolerated.
It is not of the breeds standerd to be human aggressive, therefor you cannot consider the entire or even the general population to be like these child maulers. It is very possible to have a dog aggressive or selective APBT but that is the owners responsibility to either keep under control or take precautions to keep other pets and animals safe. When someones animal gets killed of hurt, there i is only the irresponsible owner to blame!
If you ar going to judge someone because the breed the prefer, judge on the mass majority of the breed and not the small irregular percentage."


Hmm..it seems if dogs reached their breed standard then dog shows would be a bit of a waste no? It would result in a tie between all the animals able to get there. You are speaking of the conceptual pit bull, while I am concerned with the actual that interacts with us here in the world. The one that is in the news so much.

You are also repeating that manbiters were culled. Well, selecting against human aggression was the entire driving force behind initial wolf domestication. But some breeds were selected for aggression after that, these are the fighting and guarding breeds. The members of these breeds do not all might, most don't, but if they would if given the chance they are still more dangerous. Even if these biters are in the minority within a breed, they are still more prevalent than in non-fighting and non-guarding breeds. That is why most dog attacks are by pit bull even though most pit bulls do not attack.

Further, you go on and sweep dog-directed aggression under the rug like it isn't that big a deal. Well, to many of us it is a horrible breed flaw. And if someone with a pit bull makes a typical human error and the dog accidentally gets out and kills another dog, you can't wipe your hands and say "human error, breed and dog had nothing to do with that death". Do you see why that is a ridiculous thing to do? If not, read my post above about dogs not being moral agents.

DubV said...

*might should be bite in the above comment

cyclona said...

pit bulls are skin horses to some of us. i will never feel that way about a lab. same reason why you walk into a shoe store and all the shoes are not the same style.

DubV said...

"Fact is; this is not acceptable behavior or standerd for this breed, it is the few out of hundreds of thousands you base your false opinion on."

This is an argument by willful ignorance. Everyday there is a story of a pit bull being involved in a serious attack on a person here in the US. Often times several a day. The number of innocent pets killed and not reported is I'm sure a huge number. You are minimizing the problem because you do not actively look at it or for it.

Also, even if let's say only 1% of pit bulls attack someone seriously and then let's say that 0.001% of labs do the same. What right do you have to increase the risk to those around you by 1,000 fold?

DubV said...

cyclona said...

"all things aren't equal lol and omg you are seriously pawing at straws by taking apart every word lol. i have tons of experience with the dogs that you do not have. the label selfish is fine by me. most people are selfish. i have no problem admitting it. i am going to have the dogs i want to have even if you do not like it lol. i could care less who is bothered by my dogs. LOL i think you might have real things to worry about. i am kind of jealous if you have nothing more to be scared or concerned about than a dog. there is little chance my dogs are going to hurt anyone. could happen. if you are that nervous about pit bulls carry a firearm with you in the event one attacks you."

Ceteris paribus ("all else being equal") is one of the MOST important concepts in clear thinking. That is why I use it. It is the idea behind controls in scientific research, in fact. I take apart your words and see the actual implications of what you say because you cannot. You may more hands on experience than I with pit bulls, but I have much more experience in clear thinking. And just because I am concerned with public safety regarding dogs does not mean I have no other concerns in life. That is a fatuous statement.

cyclona said...

the only reason there are all the attacks is the overpopulation and irresponsible owners. never been proven to me that any attacks besides the single one at the colby home in the early 1900's were even pit bulls. i usually call the newspapers, owners and television shows trying to find out if the dog involved was really a pit bull. not once in all the calls have i made has it ever been proven to be a real apbt involved. too bad for you if you do not like the dog aggression. at least i am honest about it rather than groups like best friends saying it is not so. they set up the pit bulls themselves and innocents for disaster. the dog aggression is not a flaw you can call it that but it is not accurate. it is a deliberate trait. the old timers went to a lot of trouble to create dogs that enjoyed fighting with other dogs. it is the nature of all dogs to live in packs. i cannot stand when people call it dog aggression. i have dogs that certainly are not aggressive towards other dogs but would love to kill other dogs. they are polite in public around other dogs. aggression is a external behavior that you can actually see. barking, growling, fur standing up. that does not happen with a lot of pit bulls. actually, it is considered a flaw if the fur stands up because it is a sign of fear.

DubV said...

cyclona said..

"you cannot give one incident where the dog and his/her free will was responsible for anything bad that happened to a living creature or even a piece of furniture. so funny you are trying to tell people how to think."

The process of education should be learning how to think.

I am showing you where your argumentation goes off track, perhaps purposefully. I am saying that the concepts of "blame", "free will", etc. do not apply to dogs. You must agree with this based upon what you have written. I say this because you refuse to blame a dog for anything that it has done so long as a human was also somehow involved. So, you obviously do not believe dogs are more agents. Yet, you pretend in a sense that they are but then state that they aren't in order to prove some point that is actually trivial. This is the actual subtext of what you are doing, and it is wrong.

I was advocating that you think in terms of cause and effect. Just clear your head and just open your eyes to just matter and energy interacting around you. Now, does a dog's genetic heritage play a role in these negative incidences? Isn't the individual dog a causative agent since it has blood dripping from its teeth?

cyclona said...

the right i have is the same right as you have not to own a pit bull and to dislike them. i doubt it will be my dogs hurting anyone. did you have a bad incident with a pit bull, dub? not that i am lol demanding an answer but i am curious why this issue is so important for you to focus on. i just enjoy the conversation. i do not expect to convince anyone of anything or even want to. the irresponsible people who are causing the heartbreak would be the last to listen to anything i would have to say.

DubV said...

cyclona said...

"too bad for you if you do not like the dog aggression. at least i am honest about it rather than groups like best friends saying it is not so. they set up the pit bulls themselves and innocents for disaster. the dog aggression is not a flaw you can call it that but it is not accurate. it is a deliberate trait. the old timers went to a lot of trouble to create dogs that enjoyed fighting with other dogs. it is the nature of all dogs to live in packs. i cannot stand when people call it dog aggression. i have dogs that certainly are not aggressive towards other dogs but would love to kill other dogs. they are polite in public around other dogs. aggression is a external behavior that you can actually see. barking, growling, fur standing up. that does not happen with a lot of pit bulls. actually, it is considered a flaw if the fur stands up because it is a sign of fear."

It is not a flaw to the line of selfish people who created the trait and now cherish the breed to this day.

It is a flaw to almost all other humans. So, flaw can only be judged in terms of what someone wants. A hole in a wall is not a flaw if you like that sort of thing.

Again, we are all selfish somewhat, but most of us have other traits that counter this. We also realize how our selfishness can negatively influence others and work on ourselves. You instead seem to be giving the bird to the world. That is a popular sentiment in recent pop culture, and is a sign we really are going to hell in a hand basket.

Your carping about the term "aggressive" and how your dogs are nice but would love to kill another dog???? This is just prattling. People who make decisions based mostly upon emotion and then try to rationalize it later inevitably sound the way you do here.

Under your definition of aggressive, then a serial killer is only aggressive while he is killing. While on the couch he is a placid fellow of good nature. Just start calling it propensity or whatever, it is not a point at all.

DubV said...

cyclona said...

"the only reason there are all the attacks is the overpopulation and irresponsible owners. never been proven to me that any attacks besides the single one at the colby home in the early 1900's were even pit bulls. i usually call the newspapers, owners and television shows trying to find out if the dog involved was really a pit bull. not once in all the calls have i made has it ever been proven to be a real apbt involved."

Gripping dogs which are the pit breeds, american bulldogs, and their mixes (esp with allied breeds) are very easy for most people to spot.

What is you level of required proof? You are saying you haven't had proof. Well is the owner saying "my dog is a pit bull" not sufficient proof? It seems that this happens regularly. Do you want a long paper trail and maybe some DNA? Well, you must realize that absolute proof is theoretically impossible but in the realm of practical evidence, it is still very easy to (intentionally?) set your burden of proof impossibly high.

cyclona said...

not arguing for one thing. i am just having a friendly discussion and always open to learning something i do not already know. there really is nothing you can say to me because i have so much experience with the dogs. i am reading and watching you try but it is not possible from anything you have said. i am the first to tell people they are dangerous. it seems like you will not be satisfied until you convince people not to like them or own them. not happening here. you could even come to my house with a sub-machine gun and try that way. it still would not work.

DubV said...

cyclona said..

"the right i have is the same right as you have not to own a pit bull and to dislike them. i doubt it will be my dogs hurting anyone. did you have a bad incident with a pit bull, dub?"

Actually, the right to own any type of personal property is not in the constitutions so owning a pit bull is not really a right. It is legal though, just as many unwise things are. I'm glad you at least seem to realize what you have.

My experience with pit bulls? Well, first don't go through it and point out how everything was owners fault. If you've read my previous comments you should know better.

1. started out with no opinion on them, although once a pit bull walked out into the road and stopped my car and just stared me down and would no let me pass, which I found bizarre

2. while I was away, a lady down the road from my brother's family moved in with 2 pit bulls. they got out and would often pin my brother and his family in their car, they were a real terror and bit a few kids walking nearby before they killed each other in their home by simultaneous throat rips

3. i get a dog, still in NYS, I begin going to dog parks and notice that pit bulls sucked, they caused most dog fights and every year several dogs were killed at the dog park and it was always pit bulls doing the killing, i then read a bit more about them and formed a negative opinion

4. my brothers friend owned a well treated female apbt, she mauled a little girl who jumped in her yard to get a ball, the pit had never acted like that before, the pit chased the mothers that heard the screams and came to the girls aid and knocked them down several times to get at the girl, the owners did the right thing and gave the pit the needle

5. I was walking my dog on the sidewalk when a pit bull attacked him and nearly killed him, he required emergency surgery and weeks of recovery, the same pit was left in home by animal control a few months later it killed a neighbors dog, prior to my attack it nearly killed a beagle

6. I began researching this problem at this point since I had been very personally touched. Various studies on serious bite statistics combined with understanding genetics and the breed's history led me to believe it was a shit sandwich. I then further interacted with pit bull owners and found that on average they were aggressive, selfish, had no self-knowledge, and were one of the dumbest subgroup I had ever experienced.

DubV said...

"there really is nothing you can say to me because i have so much experience with the dogs. i am reading and watching you try but it is not possible from anything you have said."

I never hoped to change your mind. I hope I made you realize how some of your arguments and modes of thinking are faulty. If not, read again.

DubV said...

"i am the first to tell people they are dangerous."

I suppose I will just never understand people who are so non-risk averse, especially when (whether they will admit it or not) they are exposing others to risk. You may be good with your dogs but you aren't perfect and so you need to ponder ceteris paribus again.

I see you as very similar to people who want to keep tigers in their homes or apes, and know that these are dangerous animals. We later sometimes see a former chimp owner with all their appendages ripped off granting a TV interview. So, here's a question, if you really do have a dangerous pet, then shouldn't this be regulated just like people who want to keep a mountain lion? Would this not keep nutters away and make us all happier?

cyclona said...

lol you keep insisting i am selfish but do not know anything about me. being a human makes me selfish but i do not believe any living creature is in peril from my dogs. way more chance of someone getting hurt from me crashing my big truck into them. one human mistake on my part and a little car would not stand a chance. should i get a teeny car and little chi dog so you a total stranger who i have no interest in being friends with will not call me selfish? or maybe i could brag about all the selfless things i do to compensate. i love watching the pit nutters brag about all the wonderful things they do. people like dan meager just thrive on praise for their heroic selfless deeds. i was just thinking about my neighborhood. i think we have been here about 15 years and there have been two dog bite incidents i can remember in that time. both biters were loose labs from two different families. did not make the news. one of the families did file a lawsuit.

cyclona said...

you do not know that the dogs involved in any of those incidents were real apbt's do you? you do know what happened with the adba? that dave wilson, the biggest puppy peddler in the history of the breed faked all the paperwork for many years so all the people who bought from him really did not have apbt's at all. even papers mean next to nothing especially if any of his dogs are involved. all the many incidents you wrote about were the fault of the owners and not the dogs. how can they help the way they were created by humans? i belong to an internet group for our local dog park and LOL i get death threats because i tell the local pit bull owners NOT to take their dogs to the dog park. one of my pit bulls is 9 years old and has never hurt a fly. he loves all living creatures. he would probably really enjoy himself at the dog park and i would have fun taking him there, too but no way in hell would i take the chance of someone's dog getting hurt or my dog getting in trouble. i have enough experience to know that even though he is 9 something still could happen. lol i am very unpopular with the dumb pit bull looking dog owners in town. they will not listen until something tragic happens. i think it is horrible that little children were hurt and terrorized in your neighborhood.

DubV said...

"lol you keep insisting i am selfish but do not know anything about me. being a human makes me selfish but i do not believe any living creature is in peril from my dogs. way more chance of someone getting hurt from me crashing my big truck into them. one human mistake on my part and a little car would not stand a chance. should i get a teeny car and little chi dog so you a total stranger who i have no interest in being friends with will not call me selfish?"

Well, actually, driving a large truck that you do not need for any vital purpose is an immoral act. It just is because you are exposing others to heightened risk for no good reason. Also, even though your dogs are not a danger WHEN PERFECTLY KEPT AND SECURED, you are delusional to think you cannot make a mistake. When a dog gets out of the gate, guess what? The really smart and responsible people have to go looking for their king charles spaniel or some other non-fighting and non-guarding breed. You should want to be among that group, in case an imperfect human makes a mistake someday. Ever hear of that happening?

cyclona said...

my logic is faulty but you are comparing my dogs who you have never met to chimps LOL!!! are you the one who compared owning a dog to being a baby raper or drunk driver or was that someone else?

DubV said...

See, this is where you are setting your burden of proof ridiculously high. The dogs that belong to the patchwork quilt that is what is now being called the APBT are very characteristic. I can identify every salamander, frog, toad, snake, and turtle in west virginia from a fair distance. Do you think after living 30 some years that I don't know what a fucking pit bull looks like? What about when the owner tells you and the cops "yep that there is my pit bull"?

It seems that you are so stringent in your definition of APBTs that there are only like 2 in existents, we better put them in a sanctuary then. To have your way, let's have two categories: 1. APBTs that can be confirmed using cyclona's preferred method and 2. all the dangerous ass gripping mutts that everyone except a few people call pit bulls. How about we all try to make group 2 go extinct? I can likely live with group 1, at least for a while.


As far as you saying everything is the owner's fault, I thought I explained to you why that is a totally fatuous thing to say? I also thought I asked you specifically not to do that as it pisses me off?

Again, you state that the dogs are dangerous yet you blame the owner exclusively and also for how they were bred. Again, I agree that dogs are not moral agents.

You are in a sense saying "grenades are dangerous. but you can't blame the grenade for being a grenade and for someone pulling its pin." And your point is that nature and nurture intersect? I don't think I ever have or would deny such an obvious thing. Yes, I agree that we should not put pit bulls or grenades up for murder charges and try them with a group of their peers from the local animal rescue or armory.

Sorry I'm so snarky here, but you just frustrated the hell out of me.

DubV said...

"my logic is faulty but you are comparing my dogs who you have never met to chimps LOL!!! are you the one who compared owning a dog to being a baby raper or drunk driver or was that someone else?"

I am comparing a breed of dog that you are admitting to being dangerous to non-dog animals that are known to be dangerous and are therefore regulated as such.

That is perfectly valid. Besides, pit bull injuries are often so disturbing they are comparable to a chimp going ape shit on someone. Again, I doubt you see the same stories that I do.

You admit pit bulls are dangerous. Do you want them regulated?

Do you agree that other dangerous animals, like chimps, should be regulated?

Is there any inconsistency in your answers to these two questions?

pittybritty said...

Cyclona, you are probably right when it comes to the mass majority of owners being scummy types. Most that I enteract with, are not though.
It does seem like everytime I see them on the news, it always belongs to either a thug that I have a hard time understanding or whitetrash, I have a hard time understanding!
They also belong to a significantly large part of "decent society" aswell.

I don't find owning a breed of any dog to be selfish, yes these animals are dangerous in the wrong hands, that have no business owning any animal, but in my home my dogs are not a danger to anyone. You do not have to be "perfect" to be a responsible Pit owner. It does require attention, but is really not that hard to keep a dog under control.
The problem I have with these nuts comparing Pitbulls to alligators, tigers or mountain lions and stating that they should be under an exotic animal license, is they ARE NOT EXOTIC! They are a domesticated animal, and even though I don't agree with the reason they were created, they were still created to be under control of man, to be eager to please and to do as told. Although this is a breed comprised of many other breeds, the ancestral breeds were not created to carry out man entertainment and pit fighting, they were used for many jobs and I feel I have many of these great qualities in my dogs and not just the ability to when a fight in a pit.
These are still domesticated DOGS, they may require more than average requirements of other breeds to responsibly own them, but a domesticated DOG never ther less. Not comparable to a lion, tiger or bear, OH MY!

There is so many things to be afraid of in this world.. A child is something like 100x's more likely to be molested,raped or killed by their own parent, than fall victom to a Pitbull. Its a little creapy how these people are so obsessed with a Dog, it seems they are much more obsessed with hating a animal than I could ever be with loving this animal. Almost like their lives revolve around Pitbulls, yet they fear and hate them?
Dubv, that is *unbelievable* how many bad experiences you have had with this breed. I have been over exposed to them and haven't had experiences like yours, I guess maybe it depends where you live and what kinda neighborhood you have chose?

DubV said...

"I don't find owning a breed of any dog to be selfish, yes these animals are dangerous in the wrong hands, that have no business owning any animal, but in my home my dogs are not a danger to anyone. You do not have to be "perfect" to be a responsible Pit owner. It does require attention, but is really not that hard to keep a dog under control."

Until you make a small error and your whole little theory crumbles around you. With your diligence, if you maintained that and made a wiser breed choice, you and those around you would be even safer. You keep believing in yourself and following your desires though. You stated previously that you were raised around these dogs. Any chance then that you can't really view this subject very objectively?

What you are saying is similar to "I know my humvee would likely kill a family I hit, but it's not that hard to be a really good driver. I know what I got. Everyone can trust me."

No we can't, and I don't.

DubV said...

"The problem I have with these nuts comparing Pitbulls to alligators, tigers or mountain lions and stating that they should be under an exotic animal license, is they ARE NOT EXOTIC!"

Well, you see humans often use analogy to explain things to others. The point about being exotic versus domesticated really makes no difference to what I was saying. Many dangerous animals are regulated due to their danger. If a dog breed is dangerous enough, in the wrong hands especially but even somewhat in good hands, shouldn't it also be regulated? That is the whole of the argument. If you add anything to that, it is dishonest of you.

DubV said...

"the ancestral breeds were not created to carry out man entertainment and pit fighting"

Yes, and you can find an ancestor of humans that did not walk upright. What is your point? The artificial selection pressure most recently applied in on a large scale to this breed was to create a dog fighter. You are correct that past genetic material is still in there, but dogs can change rapidly.

Oh, I meant to mention in my last comment that it is disingenuous of you to say things like "they are still just DOGS". Do you realize the incredible diversity within domesticated dogs? Look up wild cabbage and see how many different cultivars of it you eat and would not class together. It's all just WILD CABBAGE though!

DubV said...

Pittybritty said...

"There is so many things to be afraid of in this world.. A child is something like 100x's more likely to be molested,raped or killed by their own parent, than fall victom to a Pitbull."

The choice here in regards to dogs is no dog or one of several breeds or mixes. You survey those choices and then, hopefully, choose the one with the greatest expected net benefit to yourself (and hopefully others if you include them in your cost/benefit calculations). I submit that almost all other breed choices would give a higher expected net benefit than a pit bull, assuming that the cost/benefit calculation was rational and somewhat moral.

Now, let's contrast this with the parent statistic you brought up. We are discussing a free choice regarding dog breeds. We do not have a choice whether kids will have parents for many reasons. One is that "no parents" would have a very large NEGATIVE expected net benefit. Further, are you considering serious attacks in your statistics or just fatalities? Regardless, you cannot make this calculation accurately and so you should not cite it in quantitative form.

Under your logic as well, we should only be concerned with the most dangerous/worst things out there and we should be unconcerned with things that aren't top dangers. First, it is obvious that you can be concerned with the whole spectrum of dangers. Second, stating that something else is more dangerous does not make something else safe or of not concern. Consider child crib safety. Children I'm sure are much more likely to die of something other than a crib accident. Still, parents read up on cribs, try to find the safest one, and their is specific safety inspections on this item. Under your rationale, this is somehow silly or wrong. You just aren't concerned about pit bulls and don't think anyone should be either.

Small Survivors said...

She's pissing you off DubV because she's a fucking narcissist. First she freely admits she's selfish, and then she feigns indignation that you who do not know her called her selfish. Then she describes how her enlightened self-interest at dog parks can be construed as being somehow superior conduct to dog park loving nutters.

She's said she's interested in having her voice heard here by nutters. Why? Since she already claims she's selfish and those other pit bulls are not apbts and therefore have nothing to do with her extremely rare Cyclona verified apbts? Is this the one that only get her apbts abroad?

She describes her dog as being a 5 time reject because it was too much for normal families and suggests she is that "special" owner that can handle it, and then goes on to describe her dogs as perfectly trained and behaved angels that everyone in the neighborhood loves even though she doesn't give a crap about her neighbors.

She distains labs because they have inherited the fetching genetic behavior and are stupid, and suggests pit bulls are more intelligent - the only kind of dog I've ever heard of that ate chicken wire killing itself or that chewed up and ate an unopened can of tunafish can and all (I saw the xrays). she could never love labs but brings bones to the lab at the liquor store.

She confuses your using examples of how people regularly judge people by their actions with calling her a baby raper - either purposely or because she's stupid.

She is not only that "special" person who can handle an apbt, she is "super special" way more special than those other special pit bull owners.

In short, she lies and fabricates stories and expects us to believe that her neighbors love her dogs, her dogs are well-behaved, she is educated and all those malapropisms are purposeful and a part of her super-special style and she has big cars - a story she's brought up several times so it seems very important to her that we know that even though she doesn't care what people think about her.

She is squatting here pretending it's the cyclona show just like taylor hernandez did before. She will come to the same end. That was actually pretty fun.

DubV said...

"Its a little creapy how these people are so obsessed with a Dog, it seems they are much more obsessed with hating a animal than I could ever be with loving this animal. Almost like their lives revolve around Pitbulls, yet they fear and hate them?
Dubv, that is *unbelievable* how many bad experiences you have had with this breed. I have been over exposed to them and haven't had experiences like yours, I guess maybe it depends where you live and what kinda neighborhood you have chose?"


Funnily, I find it creepy that someone wishes to own the dog most likely to kill a person or another dog. As far as my obsession or what my concerns are or how much I hate, that is an ad hominem attack that shows that you have no idea how to debate honestly and effectively. You are like a high school kid trying to extend their curfew and willing to throw anything against the wall to see if it will stick.

For the record, I do not hate pit bulls. I view them as frankenstein's monster.

And my experiences are what they are. These things all happened in a middle class neighborhood in a town of 20,000 in north central WV that you probably have never heard of. The rest happened in a dog park sponsored by the most respected large grocery store chain in the NE US that was located in a park surrounding a scenic lake in a suburb.

Perhaps you have been out in the world enough or known enough people to have had these experiences? See how I can imply things about you as well using a question?

DubV said...

Snack, excellent summation.

What ended up happening with Taylor? I remember her threatening copyright infringement but didn't hear anything else.

Small Survivors said...

DubV,

thanks

Well that's about all that happened to Taylor, I think. I was talking about her first threatening action and finally stomping off like a frustrated brat shortly after holding her narcissistic court.

Anonymous said...

funny how pitters have an issue with all kinds of breeds but their own chosen one. everything from chi's to goldens with a few cockers and weiner dogs thrown in for good measure are supposedly scarring and maiming little children from all over. i'm not saying there's not a grain of truth to this steaming pile of b.s. but i think most normal people can see this for what it really is.

pittybritty said...

Lfe is too short to be so concerned about a dog you don't even own. Your argument has become very strange.
Dogs are not comparable to chimps, mountain lions or aligators, nor is the danger comparable.
A dog is not comparable to a human operated object, such as a car, truck or gun. All of these things do not have a mind that is tuned to be "mans best friends" and "eager to please".

I'm not sure if your just trying to confuse yourself with all upper mumbo jumbo?
You "view these *dogs* as frankensteins monster"... weird.
I am a responsible owner who's dogs you will never have to worry. If all Pitbull owners kept their dogs the way Kristi and I have, well we wouldn't be have this convo, or would we?
Why exactly are you arguing with responsible owners who have never had a incident involving our dogs and are likely to never?

And yes, being obsessed with a animal you fear and hate is much more "creepy" than being a responsible owner of a loving family dog, such as mine. You may see my well behaved, indoor family pet as "fraunkensteins monster" but I see her for what she is.

pittybritty said...

Hmmm funny how these Nuts only see Pitbull attacks as serious. Funny how when a child is mauled by a CockerSpaniel, has her ear ripped off, scapled, under goes two reconstructive surgeries, has to go to school bald for the next 6 months and suffers from horrific nightmares her entire life, is some what of a laughing matter, considered just a scratch because it wasn't a Pitbull and she still has her arms legs and ass so.....

Very gross of you.

cyclona said...

you sound mentally ill. very disturbed you asked me not to do what because it makes you angry? LOL you are not some boss giving me a paycheck. you are a total stranger on the internet. OH MY GOD and getting so upset you use the word snarky!!! if you want to call something that looks like a pit bull a pit bull be my guest. i do not even buy my dogs in the states because i am so picky about what dogs i feed. i do have a sweet little rescue who i am very proud of:) and we enjoy. so far i think we have come up with one well bred real apbt attack in the early 1900's that we can be reasonably sure is really an apbt. lol say what about nature vs nurture. nothing i ever said. i cannot stand hearing it is all how they are raised. and just so you have a cva LOL it is human error!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
what are you going to do? come on over we are neighbors:)

cyclona said...

my little girl/boy stalker LOL. only one person i pays attention to every word i write. i know i don't even remember two minutes after i post. what end do you think taylor came to? she is very young and still alive last i knew. i talked to her yesterday. beautiful girl with a bright future. my sweet little lourdes was burned and stabbed when she was a newborn and they were going to put her to death so i offered to take her and made the committment to keep her forever and you are posting like i kicked a dog or pinched a baby. oh hell no i am no dog whisperer. i hired the best trainer in the world to work with us both. i can keep the public safe from my dogs ever hurting anyone. it is not hard. a chimp could do the same thing. you keep them home and when you are not home you keep them apart. at our house someone is always home anyway. narcissistic yes! who isn't? lol. i take good care of my family and close friends and really could care less about anyone else. it is kind of a compliment the close attention you pay and yes!!! i do not buy any of my dogs in the states. don't be so jealous you are cute too:) in a joan jett kind of way.

cyclona said...

lol you are stealing my analogies. the truck is now a hummer and the gun is a grenade R O F L
you need to go straight to the bug farm!!!

i am scared there are so many mentally ill people out there!!!

i love you pitty britty is there a way we can private message each other here? i would love to be friends with you.

Anonymous said...

u people are so fucked. i dont worry as much about your dogs as i do about u and your fucking spawn.

cyclona said...

it is not funny or strange most dog lovers are devoted to a certain breed. i really like the looks of short haired chi dogs and the looks of xolo dogs too. the chi dogs are way to energetic for me but i do think they are nice to look at. my parents are not interested in owning anything but greyhounds. some people like purple better than blue. i don't think there is anything strange or funny about individual choices. it is not like i am lying about thinking labs are ugly. i am scared of those hot dogs because one tore me up when i was a little kid. i am petrified of cocker spaniel dogs too and think they are not at all attractive. lol i do not think i will start a blog about how much i hate them.

cyclona said...

me and my spawn are way more dangerous than our dogs could ever be. so that is a good idea snarky!!! what drives a person to use the word snarky?

Anonymous said...

i use it cuz it wus given to me by one of u fucking dingbats

Anonymous said...

u and pitbrit should get to gether and u kno clean each other out.

Small Survivors said...

"only one person i pays attention to every word i write. i know i don't even remember two minutes after i post."

There is is. What she says is so worthless even she doesn't pay attention to what she says.

Anonymous said...

cyclona: i already have a neighbour who is a fucking pit dingbt. i think theres one in every neighbourhood these dazes. i might cum to visit u but thats all.

april 29 said...

pittybritty asked

"April, please explain at what age is someone no longer consisdered "judgment proof"?"

It is not an age, it is the point when you can be financially responsible for the injuries, medical bills, and losses of the victim. Here is an example, because this seems to be a difficult concept here. Justin Clinton, a child living in Texas was mauled to death by pit bulls that belonged to the parents of a friend. Justin's parents sued the dog owners and the JUDGEMENT of the court was that the dog owners should pay the Clinton family seven million dollars for the suffering and death of their son. The dog owners had zero dollars to pay the Clintons... judgement proof. A couple years ago a woman, living in Michigan, was attacked by pit bulls. Her neighbor, a fine man named VanLandingham, rushed to help the woman. Both of them were mauled. A court awarded, I think it was two hundred thousand to each of them but these pit owners had zilch, the victim pays. By the way, all these pit owners went to prison.

Anonymous said...

CYCLONA: unlike you , i didnt really like BOBBY PERU. i just thot it funny that some poeple did.

cyclona said...

i could not agree more. i am just entertaining myself taking breaks from ironing doggie dresses and making dog food. it means less than nothing that is why it is kind of scary you even pay attention. so did something happen to the beautiful taylor today that i have not heard about? i do love some of craven's research, real interesting investigation. the writing has it all, humor, murder, sex, violence even money and power:) it is where trailer trash collides with monaco. the piece on skid wylde was my all time favorite! OMG i thought he was hot when i first met him!!!

Anonymous said...

cyclona : perhaps theres more to u than i think. who did u meat?

cyclona said...

happy to hear the owners went to jail. very sad happenings. i am not pro breed specific laws and it is not fair people who are responsible like i am should have to pay for the irresponsibility of others but maybe mandatory licenses to own dogs over 35 pounds or something like that might help. just like my nursing license and my pistol permit. i think it would help a lot. children should be able to go outside and play without being murdered by an animal. dog owners can take pistols and pepper spray on walks but you cannot send little ten year olds out in the front yard with a loaded gun.

cyclona said...

i love bobby and his pretty teeth!!! change that name to bobby instead of snarky!!!
i think you are bobby LOL!!! can't fool me. my dog barks some.

cyclona said...

perhaps but probably not lol. would you like to join me and pitty britty:)

Anonymous said...

oh cyclona! whats this im hearing? dont let the dingbat side down. stop yur backpeddling u stunned c...t dont forget theres no bad dog just bad dingbat?

Anonymous said...

yea my dog barks some, but i snarks too. take my word for it my bites worse than my dogs bark.

Anonymous said...

hey cyclona : my teeth are nothing to rite home about but they are better than bobbys

Anonymous said...

yeah i might join yus but u prob wouldnt like it much. maybe u wood.

cyclona said...

that is sad snarky that you think that. your my buddy, aren't you? oh god please change that nickname it is so not you!

Anonymous said...

cyclona: why is a woman like a cyclone? she cums in all wet an wild an wen she leaves she takes the trailer and car (cadilac)

cyclona said...

i have come or should i say cum to the conclusion that you are the most nearly normal person who posts here, snarky. i want my mommy!!! another girl nite out i am assuming.

Anonymous said...

no , i can barely stand her, but yea another girls nit out.

scurrilous amateur blogger said...

i am in complete agreement with DubV's position on pit bulls, for the record.

also for the record pittybritty, regarding exotics, domesticated animals and pit bulls, the psychopathic dogmen that you worship bred out the self preservation trait in your little frankenmaulers which is why i like the term - MUTANTS.

cyclona, you will be shocked to know that i don't give a fuck who you are or that you appreciate my research into the history of the APBT.

cyclona said...

with all the time you have put into your research i think you would be really surprised. good thing you do not give a fuck cause you will never know. i could care less what you think about my appreciation of your research and dark comedy. i make sure to tell people good things even if it is someone wearing a pretty dress at the grocery store standing next to me in line. i love praise no matter where it comes from. i am guessing most people do even the ones who deny it LOL.

scurrilous amateur blogger said...

you are a fucking boot licker as far am concerned. i have no use for your praise and i thrive on your criticism. and i suspect the same psychopathic blood runs through your veins as your depraved dog fighting ancestors.

cyclona said...

lol i must have hit a nerve. cool! i am guessing what you really thrive on is pit nutters coming here and you being able to scrub the walls and floor with them wearing a blindfold with one hand tied behind your back. how difficult is it to pick on a little kid like taylor? i do not think she is even old enough to order a drink in a bar. there is nothing you can ever say to me. you are free to banish me from your blog anytime. probably would be doing me a big favor. i doubt you have much interesting left to write about but i did like the throw the ball throw the ball neuter the donkey comment. responsible apbt owners like me do not help your crusade much. me being a psychopath is besides that point. it is just silly to act like i have done a thing wrong with my dogs. oh god i know what did it. the only incident you could come up with involving a real apbt happened in another century LOL. xxoo your friend in jesus
kristi

scurrilous amateur blogger said...

aaah, the truth reveals itself. just let the psychopaths keep talking... that's my motto.

will the real hit nerve please stand up? LOL!!

looks like i hit your nerve by daring to give taylor's story a little more exposure. emphasis on *little* seeing how only 3 people read my blog.

kristi, your grudge, your vapid comments, your dingbat bulldog owning EASL friend pittybritty are always welcome here.

pittybritty said...

LOL! (That means this shit is funny) by the way.
Craven where the hell did the hostility come from? I mean, this blog has been going with your absence for a while now and out nowhere.....BAM!.....CRAVEN HOSTILITY!?!?

How does someone (a girl) feed off of others cridicism? That's kinda weird

Why would you want a experienced responsible Pitty owner on here, sharing their views, opinions and experience, when you claim to want people to be and be held responsible for their pitbulls?
Or is your objective and obsession, a whole lot different than that? I think you are attemping a war with pitbulls and their owners, not what you previously stated "I have declared war on loose Pitbulls" and irresponsible owners.
I take back what I said befor! I still think Craven is a man! A fucked up, Pibble hating sadistic freak of man that cannot have a non hostile conversation with anyone who doesn't follow his strange pathedic cult, where they have fantasies of killing any and all dogs that may look (kinda like) it could possibly be a Pit bull. And (not that you care) I no longer respect you atall after the last few comments from you, you have lost your credibility, ranting your nonsence.

I think I'm probably done enteracting with the dark creepy side. I will miss my new friend Cyclona and this has been entertaining but that's about it.

Enjoy this pathedic scared and hateful life of yours. Will be very ironic when you die of stupidity befor the Fankenstein moster gets ahold of you.
I almost feel sad for someone who's whole existance revolves around a dog, a dog they don't even like. Syke! Not really though.

Craven and followers, keep wasting your precious time on something that you will never achieve.
Love is much greater than hate.

And new friend I hope to speak with u again.


Tootles, PB

cyclona said...

a lot more than three people read your blog. many are outraged by it. i am not disturbed at all by anything i have read.s my family and dogs are untouchable:) so it is just entertainment for me. fat chance in hell when pigs fly that apbt's are going to be outlawed. if it ever did we can afford to relocate:) whatever you wrote about taylor did not ruffle me at all. she has probably forgotten all about it. i have never seen that kid do or say anything irresponsible about the dogs. she had two dogs last i knew, hardly a threat to the public. do you have any opinions about dave wilson?

cyclona said...

i will come find you on gamedogs, pittybritty:) craven is just mad because she had her viscera extracted by pro. surgeons.

Anonymous said...

whats the difference between a gamebred shitbull and a young urban pitbull oppologist? the fucking pit might let go! the yupo never will.

pittybritty said...

Hahaha, Snarky is the yupper here

I'm back for only a guick aknowledgement; a few bored minutes befor bed led me to go back and "actually R-E-A-D" Cravens posting on Taylor.
I wish I would have read the entire thing befor I posted some regretful comments referring to respect for Craven.
What exactly has this younge girl done to be generalized with this list of mostly freaks?
This poor girl went through hell as a child, was raised to be and accept a certain way of life, and yet she has grown from it, knows it is not the right way and resented her father for what he has done. She has loved and lost a dear friend too (probably more than she tells). What makes the woman with the mauled Yorkie story, worse than what Taylor has gone through? What makes the Yorkie the the victom but not peanut?

Dogs aside, this girl has done nothing to deserve to be on this list. Has she been responsible for a horrific mauling(animal or human)?
Has she shown to be a irresponsible owner?

She wants to save this breed and the individual dogs within it. She wants to save their name. She wants to make sure her children never have to go through what she has and she wants to protect other dogs who may suffer Peanuts fait.
She has told her story(intended for friends), she is trying to educate. And what does Craven see fit?
Let's put this poor younge girl, who has suffered already at the hand of her parents, let's put this girl on blast on a ANTI PITBULL, HATER CULT SITE and compare her to...... the fucking proven nutcases above? Even though she has done nothing to be categorized and compared to these freak shows, you've wasted (I'm sure, more than too much time) finding?
What about all the other Nutters, Craven? I know that these are not the only individual Pitbull owners you have found history on... these were perfectly selected for their *freakiness* and it probably took many hours if not days or even weeks of wasted obsessed time, thats assuming Craven has a smidge of a life outside of (her?) website.


I'm starting to doubt this has even ever been about Pitbulls. I think this is all in result of a hobby searching nutcase who "feeds off of others criticism" and needed something that would inrage the majority of viewers, but at the same time making sure her Vag was not in danger of pissing off the wrong crowd; per say gun enthusiast.



Shame on you, you have *proven* to be a bigger *bully* than any Pitbull I have ever met. Congratulations, I know have a new term of the use "PitNutter", you will be used as the upmost perfect example/discription.


*FREAK*

Small Survivors said...

Ah yes, craven, you nailed it, psychopath. LOL The best part was when she dared you to go after her family as well as herself. LOL Gotta love a psychopath who squats on a comments section like a toad and proclaims herself to be a "pro," LOL, when all she's done is reveal herself as a worthless lying narcissistic psychopathic dingbat. LOL

We know she's not a responsible pit bull owner because lying narcissistic psychopathic dingbats are not capable of being responsible. Being a dingbat, we know she probably has had "yard accidents." Being an admitted liar, we know that she'll lie about them. And being a narcissistic psychopath, we know she will keep on putting her family and everyone else around her in jeopardy and LOL. LOL! YOu nailed it!

cyclona said...

i kind of like being called a psychopath. what do you think i lied about? like my new bff pitty said if all the pit bull owners were like the two of us there would be no discussion forum here. lol not a pro. i think i said it a few times but it is not hard to keep any dog home and secure. i do have lots of experience with the dogs. like my new bff said you would think i would have seen something in all these years if they were so dangerous. i think it is because i am careful about what dogs i buy. lol @ squatting. i think that is an accurate description. it is fun!

cyclona said...

i think the reason taylor is disliked here besides being so pretty it is not even funny is because they think she is a dog fighter groupie. i don't think she is even friends with ed faron anymore. i admire her she is not going to let anything stop her. she even got a call back for a t.v. reality show!

she said one of the reasons for the blog is the thinking of the rescue community. i find it interesting, too. it took me a while to catch on but most of the nutters could care about as much about the dogs as craven does. they use the dogs and their heroic work for identity. that is fine but i think many do more harm than good. placing dogs in homes that might not be right as fast as they can. it is mostly women involved but the men involved are pieces of work LOL. yeah there is a problem when it is not safe to walk a dog or let kids out to play. the problem is not with my dogs.

cyclona said...

admitted liar? i like dingbat but most people call me a fruitcake. no yard accidents. if there are any signs two dogs will not get along they are never allowed to play together. they are allowed to go on walks together with two of us. it sounds like you want me to be irresponsible. like it would make you happy if some innocent dog or child got hurt by my dogs. it will happen when pigs fly. i am right out in the yard when my dogs are out. i never know when some crazy person will come and try and hurt my dogs. if they wanted they could easily dig out, too.

DubV said...

Wow, cylcona and pitty quickly showed their true colors. What a pair of dumb bastards.

scurrilous amateur blogger said...

here is another blog i follow. i wish i had the time to read every single blog and every comment. this fascinating blog is written by a sociopathic woman for sociopaths. she is working to improve the image of the sociopath. i think you two might like this blog. cyclona with the right mentor you could really get those sycophancy skills polished up nicely and pittybritty is young enough to get properly schooled on the subject before those bad habits become ingrained. you know, being an uncarved block and all.

http://www.sociopathworld.com/

DubV said...

I read an exchange between a psychologist and a sociopathic young man looking for help. It was sad that he realized there was something very wrong, he wanted to change, and could not. About 3% of the population is sociopathic.

Small Survivors said...

DubV you are very right about the technique of throwing everything at the wall to see what sticks!

Interesting site, craven!

cyclona said...

why would i say i was a nurse if i wasn't LOL.i am proud of being a nurse but it is nothing to brag about. if i was going to lie i would be a doctor or a famous movie star. i have been a professional model,too. since 1978 LOL. has nothing to do with pit bulls. what would you know about my judgement? i am a total stranger. i could be some naked old fat man for all you know who has only had cats for pets. i doubt it is possible for you to know a thing about my judgement. you are the one who cannot possibly be a nurse with a statement like nurses write in complete sentences. most of the words we use are not even complete words they are abbreviations.

cyclona said...

thank-you for thinking of me, craven. it sounds like something i would enjoy reading. i am an aspiring sociopath. i did not notice anything about britty that made me think she was a sociopath. she seemed like a nice person who takes good care of her dogs and kid. she was cute in her photo. she looks like about 26. i thought she was strange at first but it is because she is from england that i did not get her.

cyclona said...

no worries about you being a sociopath. way too dumb LOL

craven is for sure a candidate. i am trying to figure out if any of the others posting are craven. i have not looked too close because lol no one is paying me. fun anyway.
gracias
your friend in christ
kristi

cyclona said...

lol that you get so disturbed at strangers on the internet you start calling them names like bastards.

Anonymous said...

cyclona: my dog barks some too, but in his case its all bark and no bite. no concrete containment,or electric fencing or high cost insurance reguired for my sweetie. i dont need to be a so called responsible dog owner cuz mine is just a dog and not some throw back to the daz of dogfighting and god only knows what else. its so much easier for me than you, assuming u really are the carefull shitbull owner u claim to be. about tay and pea nut, i sure am not going to lose any sleep. the apple usually doesnt fall far from the tree.

Anonymous said...

dumb bastards might be technically correct but i prefer dingbat, pitter bitch or even stupid c..t. theres something about that last expletive that really nails it , methinks.

scurrilous amateur blogger said...

modeling since 1978, i am impressed. should i interpret the use of the word "since" to mean that you still model today? you must be really hot cyclona. i can see why snarky is all over you.

DubV said...

$1 says cyclona was one of those "painted babies" pageant kids. Just a hunch, but would explain a lot.

Anonymous said...

DUB V .that would explain" been modeling since 1978" that makes a lot more sense . she could be only 38 which is not terribly old. lol

Bagheera Kiplingi said...

Here's a nice modeling gig.

Bagheera Kiplingi said...

PittyBritty, Cyclona identified the turd chuggin shit bull you posted on gamedog.com as an American Bulldog. Care to refute that?

Anonymous said...

BAGHEERA: does the nobel shitbull eat shit? how endearing to bottom feeders the world over.

Anonymous said...

snarky calling sweet cyclona. i have a double wide and a 98 cadillac deville in the carport. pls cum for beer and pizza and cheetos for afters. i also got a big screen in the the master bedroom with blu ray. lets watch sailor and peanut havin a rockin good time.

Small Survivors said...

She's 50 and change if she's a day

Anonymous said...

yea but i bet she knows her stuff. she'd be drivin my caddy before u could say bobby peru. i wonder if my dog pedro the chihuahua and her pits will play nicely together without staining my deluxe carpeting.

cyclona said...

what kind of dog do you have snarky? i would be careful with any breed as far as making sure they do not get loose because i would not want my dog hit by a car or lost. when i was a kid i was shredded by one of those little weiner dogs. the #1 reason i am so careful with my dogs is i want them to be safe from cars and crazy people.

Anonymous said...

wheres pitterbritt? oh ,oh ohhhhhh. i kno now where and what they are ! omfg cyclona wasnt kidding. and i thot she wuz cumming to mine for cheetos.

cyclona said...

lol i still do model. i was never hot in my life but seeing as i have done it since 1978 means i must be pretty damn elderly! actually i am a dead ringer for sharon stone.

Anonymous said...

chi's are way worse than weiner dogs cyclona, thats why u pitters like em so fucking much. deys also mutants but they dont have the tuff looks of the sweet harmless pit dog. dey sure can be nasty when they want to dominate a bulldog. i seen it on you tube.

cyclona said...

it is true!!! my mother was a beauty queen and she had me taking dance and piano lessons starting when i was 5. she would take me to all three nights of the miss new york state pageant. she never entered me in an actual contest but she was for sure getting me ready for one. i was always on stage performing like a trained seal. i should change my nick name to jon benet or maybe baby jane hudson!!! it does explain why i probably love attention but doesn't everyone? what else? very good dub! you would make a good phoney psychic by doing cold readings on people. i picture you as a retired widower. no clue if you are a he or she.

Anonymous said...

i loved her in basic instinct. how about a big bag of cheetos cyclona? we cud go for a ride in my deville down to the levee sp?.

cyclona said...

38 in my dreams and yours.
52 but scooby snack will probably say i am lying about my age, too!

cyclona said...

which one is you?

cyclona said...

you HAVE to be craven!!! i would bet so much $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ on it.

cyclona said...

britty left because of the negativity :(
it was nice to have someone smart and nice on my side.

cyclona said...

she was so beautiful in basic instinct. i love the way she talks. i love cheetos. i get little bags of them all the time for me and the dogs to eat while we watch our stories.

Anonymous said...

u dont use an icepick to make ice for rum and coke du u cyco? i love how sharon stone handled an icepick and her men friends. yea she shure was a piece of work but no pitbulls in the movie. funny that.

cyclona said...

i loved everything about her in that movie. i remember seeing her on snl right when the movie came out and the gay people were there protesting her role in the movie as a murdering bisexual.

Anonymous said...

i dont kno but maybe our stars are in sync cyco. i luv elvis , southern comfort and peanut butter and jelly sandwhiches. an cruisin at a hunert on the keys hyway. let get our shit together.

Anonymous said...

yea i know that is so sick. fucking faggots . got to admire a gal with balls like catherine tramell. first time i liked stone in a movie though. ive seen it on blu ray a dozen times.

DubV said...

Nope, 35 tomorrow, male, never married, teach science at the local univ, on summer vacation.

I wasn't cold reading you. I made a guess and thought I had a decent chance at being right. I wasn't totally, but was close.

Anonymous said...

CYCLO . U AN I are very close in age and background. we both luv cheetos and dare i ask , caddys with leather seats and cushions in the back? if we go skinny dipping in the moonlite we wont scare each other the same as we might in my double wide.

cyclona said...

i love velvet elvis! peanut butter and ginger jelly sandwiches with a few of those cheese things. the southern comfort is all you!!! i like red whine!

cyclona said...

i would call it cold reading. isn't that when you notice things about people and can size them up quickly? i see phony card readers do it all the time. i was going to say science teacher but a retired one. the only thing that made me think you were young was the nick. dub is not exactly an old man name. what made you know about the jon benet childhood?

cyclona said...

VERY close!!! have a nice birthday. you are very lucky to be so young.

cyclona said...

i love big trucks! i have to have room for all the bulldog crates. caddilacs look nice but i bet they are not easy to drive. escalade trucks are my favorite vehicle. i have the chevy version.

Small Survivors said...

oh snarky, she seemed so game last night, I think she's a little scared of you now. and "cheetos for afters" sounded like the perfuct enticement. damn.

Anonymous said...

i got real leather in my caddy deville.

Anonymous said...

snack: did u mean perfucked inticement?

Anonymous said...

chevy suburban? tias got a real escalade. so will tay someday if she doesnt already.

DubV said...

Cold reading is pure trickery, it usually involves: saying something common to a large group of people knowing someone will find it true, saying things that could be true of anyone, providing a framework that your victim fills in for you, and rapid fire saying tons of things and then focusing only on the hits and not the misses.

I just had a hunch and made a lucky guess. Remember the only read magic isn't real magic.

Anonymous said...

cyclo : luv how pits are now "bull dogs". what that called? "gilding the lily?"

Anonymous said...

poor pitter brit. they can be so prissy and uppitty those limeys. ......slimey limey , slimey limey. me ,cylco and slimey in my big bed i got on sale at k mart.

cyclona said...

snarky is cool as hell!!! you are the only one i am scared of. i don't pay attention to most of what i write but you have every word memorized!!! things i wrote months ago, even. that is really creepy. if that is not scary i do not know what is. snarky knows my dear friend bobby which means he is good people for real!!! you seriously need a life if you are stalking me like you do. i am just a sweet little old lady who crochets. i am B O R I N G!!! you are frightening.

Anonymous said...

wheres old CYCLOTHYMIA gone ? bobby peru has a urge to go peeping in a fish store.

cyclona said...

who is tia? not sure what tay drives. i really do not know much about her besides she is a nice person.

cyclona said...

you are either psychic which i think everyone is or you are very perceptive about people. i doubt i mentioned my childhood here. how many kids have patsy ramsey as a mother LOL? i am a professional card reader. i have been doing it since i was a kid. the less i know about someone the better the reading is. it is very easy for me to contaminate a reading if i know the person. part of the fun of this discussion is wondering who the hell i am talking to. it is far more dangerous than having a gripping (is that what you all call them) dog.

cyclona said...

they have always been bulldogs to me.

cyclona said...

did you see her photo? she is a very pretty young girl. i did not want her to feel left out. i thought it would be rude LOL.

Anonymous said...

praise from caesar, cyclona ? i have my moments i suppose.

DubV said...

If you really believe you have these abilities, the Amazing Randy will write you a $1 million check if you can prove you have supernatural powers. Many people have tried, no ones gotten it. The test is set-up by scientists and what constitutes a "win" is laid out beforehand.

cyclona said...

O M G @ cyclothymia!!! not here. i am sluggish 24/7/365 which is probably why i like laid back dogs. i could never and would not want to keep up with a high energy dog like a patterdale or god forbid a jrt

Anonymous said...

CYCLONA . are u a witch? now u are scaring me.

cyclona said...

i don't think i have any abilities. the cards just seem to work. oh noooooooooooooooo @ the amazing randy. i teach dowsing classes for continuing education twice a year. you are welcome to test me for accuracy if you want. you could ask me a yes or no question that i would have no idea about the answer like is your mother's birthday in may or is your mother's first name helen. something like that. you are the gifted one in this gang. you should get a deck of cards just for fun.

Anonymous said...

52 is not so bad. a little old for pitbulls but whatever turns yor crank i suppose. what happened to u cyclona? we all got a story when it comes down to it.

Anonymous said...

whats my sign cyclona. its easy.

cyclona said...

yes and a hoodoo doctor. i have my graduation certificate, even LOL. you better be nice to me or else!!! just kidding. conjure sounds very crazy but it really is not a toy.
dub better alert randy!!!

cyclona said...

yes, we all do have a story. here is probably not a good place to share it after what happened to poor taylor and peanut.

Anonymous said...

funny u think im stalking u, cyclona cuz ur not the first dingbat to say that. im just a harmless dog lover whos seen a few chewed up dogs.

cyclona said...

not you, snarky that snack sized dog person is the stalker. he/she remembers things i said here months ago. she said i was scared of you and i said i was petrified of her not you! i like you.

scurrilous amateur blogger said...

you talk a lot of shit cyclona.

you are petrified of snack sized dog because s/he remembers the nonsense that spews from your mouth from months ago? yet you like snarky who is making sexual advances AND who you think is really me AND who you think is a good candidate for sociopathy.

have you been huffing the spray starch while ironing? or do you have access to some super duper fun meds at your RN job?

but seriously, thank you for playing pit nutter roundup. you have earned a place among the nutters.

cyclona said...

if snack sized is remembering dumb comments i posted months ago it is LOL scary! of course i talk nonsense. i am hardly going to have an important discussion on the internet. you are the grand prize pit bull nutter. the amount of research you have done floors me and all for free OMG! i do think he is you but hopefully i am wrong and he is just a nice man who has great taste in movies, cars and snacks!

cyclona said...

no clue in hell. it has to be a yes or no question so i can use a card or pendulum. like am i a scorpio.

DubV said...

1. pit bull owner
2. rn
3. pageant kid
4. model
5. christian
6. card reader
7. dowser

Wow, that's a huge amount of diversity.

DubV said...

As far as snacks memory. Some people have photographic or near photographic memories. I've known a few people like that. It is something to be admired. Or perhaps snack did a quick search for your comments and skimmed them. Either way, nothing too get bent out of shape about.

Small Survivors said...

Thanks DubV and Craven for pointing out the ridiculously obvious. Just more of the adolescent "trying to see what sticks" technique.

Snarky, either spelling is correct. And do you happen to have cameras in your doublewide? if she is game enough for you, you could be the next David Lynch.

She is a trooper, isn't she? LOLing while being shit upon because she can take anything - and all night long, evidently. LOL

LOL at the being smart enough to be a sociopath. Some can be very smart, but they don't have to be. Some are smart and execrable like Ted Bundy, but if, for example, someone find's herself typing "i like being called a dingbat" while ironing doggie clothes, she's not one of 'em. LOL!

And she's a supposed proudly psychpathic lying dingbat RN slash model. LOL Anyone believe she's got anything more than a stained nurse's costume in her closet? Which I hope she wears for Snarky, btw. It will photograph well against his super plush carpet.

My guess is she has been reduced to trying to hawk dog clothes in a down economy. LOL Oh, and what was it - give tarot readings or pendulum swinging, or hexing? LOL Yah, employed and employable nurses during a nursing shortage in a down economy do that all the time. LOL I bet she has engaged in pit bull related charlatanism too- there's nothing more stupid or gullible than a nutter. LOL I bet she's sold doggie aromatherapy and doggie massages as a cure for dog aggression. LOL. Liver and Lavender is very calming, I hear, LOL.

She's just one of the hundreds of thousands of nutters who don't give a shit about their pits and care only about the attention the pits bring them. LOL

She expects people to believe her when she says she's treated her dogs well and been responsible. LOL And I love it when she "vouches" for other nutters like Taylor "drop the leash and brag" and "Daddy killed peanut!" Hernandaz. LOL I'm sure she's dropped the leash, too. And just for the lulz. LOL

DubV said...

Damn, that left a welt ;)

cyclona said...

few other things too. i love talking about ME!!! i also love that i sound like a compulsive liar. retired black sabbath groupie/girlfriend. i teach two other classes at the high school and have a couple small businesses. are you having a nice birthday?

cyclona said...

someone went to the trouble of googling bobby peru, dub. i doubt snack sized has a photographic memory. i think most of us do for subjects that interest us and i think snack is interested in me. i hope i am wrong LOL and you are right, dub.

cyclona said...

if you want to think so feel free, dub but it is not possible for snack to say anything that would leave a welt. it would if i was busted in lies but i haven't lied. i really think she wants my dogs to hurt someone. are you going to be the real liar and deny you googled bobby peru LMAO? or just pretend you did not read this question. you happened to over look it even though you hang on every word i type.

DubV said...

Eh, I don't like birthdays too much.

I knew about bobby peru before. I must have missed your question.

cyclona said...

i was talking about the snack sized dog googling bobby peru. i bet she did. i never got too thrilled about birthdays either. strange considering how lol self-absorbed i am. the was people act here you would expect i went out and bit some kid myself. i have not done a thing wrong and even given some suggestions to help prevent dogs from getting in trouble. lol i love well-bred apbt's and i guess no one wants to admit it but i think i have made it very clear besides one incident in another century these are not the dogs who have been out hurting innocent citizens. it is reduckulous to think of any of my dogs hurting someone. it kind of hurts when they step on my feet. they are so little that that is not too bad either.

Small Survivors said...

Damn, that left a welt ;)

Thank you DubV!

I think she's directing that other comment to me in reference to a comment I made to Snarky. She seems to have asserted that if I did not know who David Lynch was and I googled Bobby Peru, I must therefore be obsessed with her. Follow? I seem to have hit some nails directly on the head. Her lol's seem less hearty to me, and I detect some peevishness.

Its more seeing what will stick.

Happy Birthday. I don't like birthdays that much either.

I don't know about you, but getting birthday greetings from the psychopath who was just recently calling you dumb precisely because she knows you're the smartest one in the house and trying to get your goat creeps me out more than a little bit.

I have a completely irrelevant and inconsequential question for you about toads. If you're not busy and don't mind a silly question or two, my gmail acct is just snacksizeddog, so you don't have to put yours out there.

cyclona said...

so did you google bobby, snack sized? what creeps me out is anyone who would use the word peevish. i don't know dub is the smartest one in the house LOL. i do not know any of you. just from what i have seen craven/snarky would be the smartest and dub the pseudointellectual.
i do not think i have ever heard anyone use the word peevish before or even read it in a book. maybe a vocabulary word in 6th grade. did you use a thesauraus or do you really talk like that?

scurrilous amateur blogger said...

snack really talks/writes like that. like dubv, snack also has a graduate degree. although i know what peevish means, i've had to check the dictionary on more than one of snack's blogs.

scurrilous amateur blogger said...

i googled bobby peru the first time his name appeared. although the character was memorable, i had forgotten his name.

DubV said...

Thanks everyone for the birthday wishes!

cyclona said...

i am pretty sure i know what peevish means something like not bold. one of the people who posts uses words i have never heard the likes of before, probably her. just my opinion but it kind of defeats the purpose of language using words that most people are clueless about. if language is to communicate, it does not work. people who use lots of big words look like show-offs to me. wonderful to be a show-off if it is not so obvious. she does not sound like dub to me. i think snarky is very smart and funny. part of the fun of getting picked on for me is wondering who the heck i am talking to. only you and snark know for sure, craven.

scurrilous amateur blogger said...

peevish |ˈpēvi sh |
adjective
easily irritated, esp. by unimportant things : all this makes Steve fretful and peevish.
• querulous : a peevish, whining voice.

another piece to the cyclona puzzle emerges. she doesn't know how to use a dictionary or google.

brace yourself cyclona, not everyone is a showoff. you spend too much time around pit bull owners and their mind numbingly simple pit platitudes LOL face it, some people are just s-m-a-r-t. i know, i know, not exactly what you are accustomed to over at thug-dog.com and outofthe shits.org. this is out of your comfort zone and t-h-a-t i-s o-k-a-y, n-o-t e-v-e-r-y-o-n-e c-a-n r-e-a-d a-b-o-v-e t-h-e d-o-c-t-o-r s-e-u-s l-e-v-e-l.

here is an interesting read that might help you understand your own limitations. LOL

* i happen to know snack personally and i know snack is fluent in another language. people fluent in other languages tend to have a superior grasp of their native language, well, except maybe for pittybritty.

cyclona said...

i know how to google but i would not bother with the definition of a word i would never use. intelligence has nothing to do with spelling or big words. using big words reminds me of those poor women trying to walk down the street on their lunch breaks in really uncomfortable looking heels. it is so obvious they are trying to impress someone. i love pretty shoes but walking from the ride to the restaurant seems reasonable and not one step further.

Small Survivors said...

"another piece to the cyclona puzzle emerges. she doesn't know how to use a dictionary or google."

ROFL!!!!

Geez, how did you pull THAT research out so fast?? She's right about one thing, you are smart.

I almost fell off my chair laughing when I read "I am pretty sure..." You mean there's a dictionary in the internet too????

No wonder she thinks googling Wild at Heart represents a huge commitment!

scurrilous amateur blogger said...

cyclona, you say you would not bother to google a word that you would never use but if you don't know what it means, how do you know you would never use it?

snack, me? smart? nah. i guess i can say this here since only 3 people read my blog but i am an idiot savant. i can barely tie my shoes or make toast. my only area of intelligence is with psychopaths, human and canine LOL!
you'd be surprised at my psychopath library, human and canine LOL!

excuse me, i have to go change into my snarky suit LOL!!

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