Tuesday, April 17, 2012

did someone say phlebotomy?



PHLEBOTOMIST DOG!

roger, we have translation.

A Pit Bull dog attacked its owner on Sunday night (22), and had to be shot 5 times by the Municipal Guard. The attack occurred at a residence on Wenceslas Braz boulevard, Vila Guaira, a neighborhood near the center of Curitiba [Brazil].

The supervisor of the Municipal Guard of Curitiba, Laurindo Filho Court, said the guards who arrived tried to separate the dog by shooting pepper spray at the pitbull. They hoped this would make the dog release the arm of the retired Dejail Cezar Gonçalves, age 54, but the tactic did not work.

"Realizing that the dog would also attack the head and neck of the owner, we fired two shots, which still did not stop the attack. Finally three more shots were fired into the pitbull, causing him to finally release the arm of the owner."

After losing so much blood, Goncalves was taken seriously ill and injured in both arms to the Worker's Hospital of Curitiba. There was a suspicion that he might have to have his arm amputated, but the hospital said the patient is doing well in the ward and performed a skin graft surgery on Friday (27).

The dog was referred to the Center of Zoonosis of Curitiba still alive, but succumbed to his injuries and died. According to Esther Lim's wife, Gill, the Pit Bull, named Jackal, was 4 years old. He was docile and even licked the feet of her husband.

"We treated that dog like a baby. We love animals. We've lost two mutts, who died of old age. Now we lost the Jackal. My husband never abused any animal. The attack is inexplicable," laments Esther.

Although docile, she confesses that the dog had attacked Gill's brother a few months ago, causing injury. Pollyanna Fernanda Souza, a neighbor of the couple and that appears in the video asking for help from the people who watched and filmed the attack, also recalled the first attack of the Jackal. According to her, the dog advanced on the face of Gill's brother and tore his nose.

The neighbor strongly denies that Gill was violent with the pitbull. "I never saw anyone abusing the Jackal, on the contrary. The dog was very well maintained, fat, vaccinated, fed with a quality diet and loved the owners. It was just love. In fact I did not know he was called Jackal, as Mr. . Cezar always called him "Baby."

The city police officers who arrived reported that they smelled alcohol on the victim, a suspicion denied by Pollyanna. "It only smelled of blood. My sister helped clean the yard after and said it was still smelling of blood."

thank you sharon

75 comments:

dawn james said...

i made a copy this time around and i have LOTS of still photos. thank you dude ;-)

Decatur AL livin nt to 4 pits said...

This is a "Responsible Owner"...Nice dog houses, Bowls to eat from...Nice fences and pens...He has such great control over his dog...Look at that dogs tail wagging like its doing nothing wrong...just playing...arm half eaten off and the owner sits there saying No !!! No !!! to the playful tail-wagging dog.....If it had been a child...It would be the owners fault...Who's fault is this ???

Bagheera Kiplingi said...

Pittie sure had fun tearing up that creep, huh fight for your rights?

dawn james said...

also note that the dog is not scarred and not starved like a fighting dog. in fact, he looks a little too well cared for.

Dude, I BaggedYourPit said...

Thanks to LiveLeak for this gem. I hadn't visited in some amount of time, but when I hit the old bookmark, BAM! - a pit bull vid at the top of the featured videos!

I wish I could understand what he is saying. Is it, "Look at his tail go - he's just playing - it's all in how you raise them!"

Quite a crowd hanging around just watching. I wonder what they were saying. Was it, "Sorry man. I don't wanna get my new shoes and dress slacks bloody... you just keep raising Ol Gator the way you see fit?"

Better him than somebody's lab, I say.

dawn james said...

probably something like "all dogs bite" and "they were bred to be nurses aid!!!" and "there's no such thing as locking jaws".

i read a few of the comments on liveleak. one dufus was critical of the camera man for not helping. WTF?

"Better him than somebody's lab, I say."

or a stray cat.

Garnet said...

Unless the camera man had a gun, there's nothing he could have done anyway.

I was at a pet expo yesterday and some lady was giving a presentation on 'pit bull misconceptions.' It covered all the nutter points while omitting any mention of what pit bulls were bred for, or the fact that they are responsible for well over half of fatal maulings.

DubV said...

That guy lost a ton of blood. It's unclear whether he would make it at the end. Liveleak video comment sections are much more fun than on youtube. The nutters have not yet infiltrated liveleaks as a pack, so you get a better sampling of the typical opinion/reaction than on nuttertube.

dawn james said...

i am not sure if people realize this but you can not upload videos to liveleak for free - there is a monthly fee. that automatically weeds out a large portion of judgement proof losers right off the bat.

snack sized dog said...

I say bravo to the camera man.

I am amazed, though, that no seems to be commenting on how fucking bizarre and perverse this attack is - and unique to pit bulls.

There are nutters on there saying bet the dow was abused and any dog will...

How can anyone look at that and not think pittie needs to go extinct?

Miss Margo said...

GRUESOME!

Would it be possible to provide a link to where the video was found at liveleak? I'd like learn more about the video.

dawn james said...

i activated the text PHLEBOTOMIST DOG! above.

Miss Margo said...

Thanks.

In shock and incomprehensible pain, I'd think. And if the attack was prolonged, I think that the dog would have worn the guy out by now. It's a big one. Also--hate to be gross--when you pull away from the dog, you're pulling back on your own flesh...ugh.

DepthCharge said...

OMG - what effed up country did this happen in? Remind me never to go there. In the USA we have HEROS who will step in and actually HELP you. With a gun.

Jake said...

I think it was Brazil - whoever was filming it wasn't doing much to help, but the cops did come and kill the mutant from what I understand.

I've seen a couple other pit videos from Brazil - In one, a cop shot a pit bull that was attacking another dog, and of course everyone know, or should know Justice T Mule, a native practitioner of Brazilian mule Jiu Jitsu.

Jake said...

After watching the video more closely at home, I can understand why the onlookers didn't help the guy out - the way his property was enclosed with iron bars, it would have been difficult for anyone to even get into his yard. He had quite the fortress there - but apparently he didn't realize he was only locking himself in with a deadly creature.

DubV said...

Jake, you deserve an e-card for this one ;)

"of course everyone know, or should know Justice T Mule, a native practitioner of Brazilian mule Jiu Jitsu."

Yeah, old justice was all about the ground and pound, as they say in those circles. If I found myself in Brazil I might consider a small pilgrimage to Justice bearing carrots and other items a mule might need and appreciate.

DubV said...

Does anyone speak spanish or portugese well enough to translate what the guy is saying?

If I didn't have a gun, and couldn't get in there with a huge knife to stick the dog with while it was occupied, I'd at least throw the guy a knife. He seemed kinda of fond of the dog and not wanting to hurt it, or perhaps he was in shock and didn't have the strength.

dawn james said...

i don't think i could come between an adult pit nutter and their darwin award, they worked too hard for it.

Paul said...

I agree with you on everything, except this one point: because of my Christian worldview, I believe the cameraman (and the others standing by) must do everything possible to help that man.

I do see justice in him being wounded/killed by his bad choice of dog; however, that's not my justice to deliver, and he's still a human being.

Most notably, a more righteous Man than me has died to save less righteous men than that Brazilian.

So, my conscience would compel me to climb that fence and land on the spine of that dog. Get back up and bring my knees down on him. Then stick my fingers in his eyes and pull them out.

vintage said...

Look at that wigglebutt!!Tailwaggin' the whole time!


They've had a few Piticides down in Brazil

Brazil:Paternal: Pit bull kills his owner
http://momento24.com/en/2009/08/27/paternal-pit-bull-murders-master/

It happened last night in a house at 2000 Donato Alvarez Avenue, about three blocks from La Chacarita cemetery.
A man, whose identity was not disclosed, died from serious injuries after being attacked by his own dog, pit bull breed inside a house in the Buenos Aires neighborhood of La Paternal.


7/8/10 3:45 PM

UNICAMP - GIRL ATTACKED BY PIT BULL donate organs
(Correio Popular - Cities - 04/07/2004)
http://www.scribd.com/doc/34074351/2007-Pet-Pit-Bull-Attacks-Whole-Family-in-San-Palo-The-Story-Behind-the-Video


A baby of three months dog race on Wednesday in was killed by a pit bull
Jaipur (217 km from Belo Horizonte).The child's grandmother was injured in the
attack. The dog, who was shot dead by military police, was created by the child's
family.
According to the Fire Department, the baby John Gabriel Heringer had part of his head torn off by animal bites. The dog, who was in the yard, attacked the grandmother Maria da Conceição Rocha Sad when she was a baby in her arms, told neighbors of the property to the firefighters


http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2005-01-17/news/0501170097_1_brazil-sao-paulo-pit-bull

Sputnik2009 said...

When I first saw the headline of this posting, I read 'Lobotomy' -- thought it was a comment on the intelligence of this man.

For those who wonder why the neighbors weren't anxious to help... It seems this pit bull had already attacked several of them. Apparently this man hadn't found that a good reason to put the thing down. So I can well understand them deciding to stand around and watch the owner undergo it himself for a change. Or assuming less eye-for-an-eye motives, simply being afraid to engage with the pit bull again after their first encounter with its gripping jaws.

Meanwhile, re the cameraman... I've often enough saved a dog life from a PB, but I certainly wouldn't risk my own life to save that of a nutter who likely would then keep his undog anyway. And who probably would blame *me* if his beloved pit killed me while I saved his life. You know, shouldna intervened when my wiggle-but was so excited, after all, he was just playing, my own fault I'm dead.

If anyone had despite all this tried to intervene, likely they would've been badly hurt. The first three shots the police fired only triggered this wiggle-butt to finally release the owner's arm and attack his face and neck instead. Can you imagine someone trying to help without a fully loaded gun in their pocket? Can we ask that of each other?

More to the point, can a nutter who is in the process of winning his Darwin award ask that of the rest of us?

Not in my world, but of course that's just my way of seeing things.

Sputnik2009 said...

Sorry, but I can't resist quoting that American icon, Dr Phil: If you choose the behavior, you choose the consequences.

Dr Phil's general message seems to be that it's not a good thing to 'rescue' people from the consequences of their own behavior. He calls that 'enabling'.

So isn't rescuing a pit-nutcase from his/her own pit enabling behavior?

Or is it just me...?

Tegenpitjes said...

Looks like "not screaming" doesn't make much of a difference. Another pit myth bites the dust.

snarky said...

if you feel u need a gripping dog for protection or crime deterrence its good to ask yourself if the risks to innocents or yourself are really worth it. whatever you have in your house is probably not worth somebody being eaten alive by your "hound from hell". get a normal dog as a watch dog , a gun , a machete, an alarm or surveilence system but leave the dangerous dogs for the people with "open" minds.

Packhorse said...

That's a nurse's aide dog! Clearly the man's hand was gangrenous nd the hero pit was amputating it for him!

Jake said...

@Paul - I understand what you're saying, but sadly, no good deed goes unpunished. You could slay the beast only to be sued by the man for killing his pet. Yes, stranger things have happened.

Paul said...

@Sputnik2009 - What you said made me chuckle. It's just wrong, though, because it places no value on human life. A society that undervalues human life is going to apart. (I'm relating this to abortion and other Darwinism-inspired cultural decay.)

@Jake - Saving a man (or dying trying) is worth more to me than saving myself from being sued. But again, this is a difference of worldviews.

vintage said...

I kind of look it that it is better when the terrorist blows himself up building and IED or the drunk driver wrapping himself around a tree instead of plowing into the family coming around the corner.

They all know what these dogs can do....

Paul said...

@vintage -- there is some logic there. But I still think it's better to save him and then press criminal charges or otherwise educate/punish him and expose these realities to the world. We don't need to stand by and watch him die in order to expose the crime of owning these dogs.

dawn james said...

to help or not to help, that is the question. it CAN be a tough call if you don't know who you are dealing with.

i personally know two people who bought into the propaganda, got pit bulls and then were shocked into reality and quickly kicked pittie to the dirt nap curb. i think there are quite a few of these people.

you also have people who think that their proven dangerous dogs possess the equivalent to human rights. they fight to keep their dogs alive after they bitten others, sometimes severely or have multiple offenses. these people live in my neighborhood and i will be perfectly honest, i wouldn't tear my self away from the camera to call 911 for them because let's face it, a proper mauling is what it will take to get these freaks to do something about their dog, they have PROVEN themselves to me unworthy of my help or life. they are definitively on their own.

and then there are the darla an greg naporas who are in class all by themselves. i hope they are the rare individuals.

typically, it is only after the tragic "accident" that you know what kind of nutter you were dealing with. so, if people want to help, i won't criticize and if people don't want to help, i will understand.

Paul said...

yes... so hopefully this fellow in Brazil has repented of his pit-religion, if indeed he's still alive. Some are very slow to learn.

DubV said...

Paul, this blog is not about religion, yours or otherwise.

Paul said...

@DubV Correct, but we were discussing whether we might stand by and watch the fellow be killed by his pit bull or not and, as with every part of real life, our worldviews do become part of the discussion. :)

Miss Margo said...

Dawn James, re: your last comment--

One of my best friends and her BF recently adopted what they were told was a 'lab mix' from the pound. They were also told it was a nice dog, maybe a little shy, friendly with dogs and kids.

In fact, it really just might be a "black lab mix." but it sure as hell had some pit bull in it--it's obvious in the head and the chest. It's aggressive towards dogs, they have to keep their cat in the bedroom now, and it BIT a repairman on the hand and broke skin.

After the bite, my friend called the pound and wanted to return the dog, but the pound said that the dog would be put down if returned bc of the bite. My friend felt guilty and is keeping the dog.

They've invested in dog training videos and books and are, responsibly and dutifully, training the hell out of the dog. The dog does tricks for treats now, but it is NOT friendly. Fucking thing walked across the room and growled at me while I was sitting on the sofa talking to my friend, not even looking at it. She was so embarassed.

I am, obviously, very concerned for her. I don't know how to share my concern in a way that will not imply, basically, that the animal is a liability and she is unwise to keep it around. I mean, she's invested a ton of love and effort into the dog, and she's protective of it.

dawn james said...

the dog has a bite history and continues to behave aggressively so i would place the owners into category number 2. i don't know what to tell you except avoid the dog, even if that means avoiding your friends.

bleeding hearts & aggressive dogs is a bad combination.

DubV said...

Paul, if you cannot argue for the morality of an action/inaction without invoking a divine authority, then you cannot argue for the morality of an action. To do as you are doing is to reduce morality to fiat and it is not convincing.

Paul said...

DubV, it's impossible to convincingly defend any ethic at all without invoking a divine authority.

DubV said...

Paul, I'll reply once more and then stop in order not to hijack this blog posting. I can understand why your sentiment is commonly held. People are sometimes taught that something is not immoral unless morality is absolute and objective, and this tends to stick with us. However, absolutes and total objectivity are not necessary. Does this sound silly? "We cannot have a position about the worthiness of action X unless the author of the ENTIRE Universe is somehow involved." All that is necessary is some start premises and a mode of thinking. I'd suggest looking at social contract theories of morality and also the Euthyphro dilemma.

Jake said...

@DubV - I'll say this one thing and leave it at that, so as not to hijack the conversation. I really understand what you're saying, logic and reason should operate just fine in a vacuum. I think Paul comes off a bit strangely, but I understand something of his point. If we're all just meat sculptures moving in the darkness, what is the standard by which we can judge whether anything is good or bad? And by extension, whether we could logically find anything repulsive, or abhorrent - I mean, if we're all just protoplasm doing what protoplasm does, then whatever is, is right - right?

DubV said...

Too big a subject to get into here Jake ;)

snarky said...

we could go over to the pitters camp and worship at the gory altar of pitbull brutality .

skeptifem said...

"DubV, it's impossible to convincingly defend any ethic at all without invoking a divine authority."

Kant. John Stuart Mill. Virtue ethics.

Then there was the whole thing about how you can't tell if the gods are simply pointing out the good in the world (in which case they aren't the origin of good) or if they decide it (in which case good is simply arbitrary). Don't forget the problem of evil, which has never been meaningfully resolved.

snarky said...

if there is a god i hope hes a kind but vengefull god who'd reserve a special spot in hell for pitters to go and become someones beloved pet who was chewed to ratshit by their mutant.

dawn james said...

"worship at the gory altar of pitbull brutality"

wow snarky, i love that.

dawn james said...

while i am a bit of a commenting tyrant over at the truth blog, things are very lax over here. topics in blog posts that do not require comment moderation, are free to wander off topic. blog posts that were published in the last 14 days do not require moderation. this particular blog post will regularly be bumped to the top. feel free to discuss the religion issue.

although i don't have the time to participate in this discussion, my personal beliefs & loyalties lie with camp skeptic. maybe someone will give me a heads up if things get out of control.

Paul said...

"worship at the gory altar of pitbull brutality"

see, it is a religion! :) the pit nutters have preachers, scriptures, and... an allegorical altar. (unfortunately, the sacrifices aren't allegorical.)

DubV said...

For those interested, here's a debate in 10 parts between two philosophers over the question of interest.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_l69QN7ixmM

that's the first part, the debate is excellent

fourshoes said...

Holy crap, I just about lost my lunch watching that first video. Did the pit get shot? I didn't see that in the video, it cut away and back and the man was then lying in a pool of blood next to the dead pit. Miss Margo, one of my friends w/kids just adopted a "pit bull mix" from the shelter. I haven't been over there since. I avoid them like the plague which is what they are.

Bagheera Kiplingi said...

fourshoes,
Thank goodness they turned the camera off so the police could deliver the dirt nap, otherwise the graphic death of wiggle butt would have offended the delicate pit nutters.

It's called faith, because it is not knowledge.

fourshoes said...

@Bagheera,
Too bad, that would have been the only redeeming part of the video. Although, gross as it is, it is instructional to see how a pit bull attacks so one can formulate a plan of counterattack if it ever happens.

Paul said...

@fourshoes: Good point. This fellow had obviously not previously thought this through. There are three simple things he could have done:
(1) with his free hand, plucked out the eyeballs of the beast;
(2) stood up (early in the process) and planted the weight of his body on the animal. (Repeatedly, if necessary.)
(3) brought the animal's head close and used his free arm to create a headlock for the purpose of choking the windpipe.

vintage said...

And this folks is why the dogfighters invented the Break Stick....

Too bad over 320 Americans have died this way.

snarky said...

but dashhunds are worse , except its the ownwers who are at fault , treating them badly , neglecting them and allowing ignorant people to inflict canine racism against them. how would you feel if you was a innocent little dashund and people was always acting like you was a killer wiener dog ? you would probably go berserk too an go looking fo another persecuted , demonized dashund to go on the doggy lam with. also ,never mind ambassador pit hunds , what about all the dashunds that are canine role models for all the young dashunds with a chip on their shoulders? lets here from yo folks with "ambasador dashunds"

kris said...

Wow. I don't like aggressive dogs as much as the next guy, but damn, you guys are just as nuts as, well anyone that rants about a topic on the net that actually posses very little interest to anyone. I mean yes, there are more Pit bull type dogs in the US(the most popular dog in 2011) so obviously there will be more involvements w/ the breed then any other breed. There are more of them then any other type of dog, this equals more attacks...simple. But even w/ that in mind, do you know what your actual chances of getting attacked by one of these dogs are? Slim to none. Am I ever gonna bring one in my home? No. But come on guys, you all are looking like the, as you call 'em, nutters.

dawn james said...

if pit bulls are the most popular dog in the US, why are the shelters overrun with them?

snarky said...

kris :
i didnt know that pits are americas fave mutant . holy moly , god bless america and americas favorite mutant then. i didnt realize i needed to pack magnum heat for a good reason... i was just doing it for fun. the noble pitbull, strong and free and willing to take on all comers even its own owners on occasion . what a great american symbol!

snarky said...

but , i really do think dashunds, poms and the terrible, tea cup poodle are worse than any 70 lb gripping mutant . ive heard they ( the mutants) are very loving to their retarded owners and their spawn whereas dashunds takeover armchairs and poms bite their owners snouts off and teacup poodles bring on scarlet chaos that would make a shark blush.

snarky said...

kris :
if the chances are so slim how come i have had several shitbull near misses over the years . well , maybe i attract assholes for some reason but that cant apply to all the other people i know who have had a pitbull having a taste of them and,or their dogs . if u are out there much at all with your dog youse gonna meet da mutant sooner or later.

april 29 said...

Hey Kris, pits are roughly 5% of dogs in the United States and I'm at 100% chance wise. You might sell your story some place else but victims post here. One place where pits actually are the biggest part of the population is shelters. This is the direct fault of those who claim to love the breed and pump out back yard bred litters as a tax free cash crop.

bluestatedogs said...

Awww, look at the cute wiggle butt...I think that guy in the video realized a little too late that pits are a poor choice for a pet. "Et tu, mi perro?" This should be must see TV for pitters.

snarky said...

i always thot pits were very loving mutants , would die for you , sleep with the ghetto spawn , play mildly with the neighbours tea cup labradoodle ect . guess it was something that man musta done to provoke said wiggle - mutant .

Sharon Yildiz said...

I found an article about this in Portuguese and translated using Google Translate plus my own knowledge of Portuguese (I used to be a translator but am very rusty now):

A Pit Bull dog attacked its owner on Sunday night (22), and had to be shot 5 times by the Municipal Guard. The attack occurred at a residence on Wenceslas Braz boulevard, Vila Guaira, a neighborhood near the center of Curitiba [Brazil].

The supervisor of the Municipal Guard of Curitiba, Laurindo Filho Court, said the guards who arrived tried to separate the dog by shooting pepper spray at the pitbull. They hoped this would make the dog release the arm of the retired Dejail Cezar Gonçalves, age 54, but the tactic did not work.

"Realizing that the dog would also attack the head and neck of the owner, we fired two shots, which still did not stop the attack. Finally three more shots were fired into the pitbull, causing him to finally release the arm of the owner."

After losing so much blood, Goncalves was taken seriously ill and injured in both arms to the Worker's Hospital of Curitiba. There was a suspicion that he might have to have his arm amputated, but the hospital said the patient is doing well in the ward and performed a skin graft surgery on Friday (27).

The dog was referred to the Center of Zoonosis of Curitiba still alive, but succumbed to his injuries and died. According to Esther Lim's wife, Gill, the Pit Bull, named Jackal, was 4 years old. He was docile and even licked the feet of her husband.

"We treated that dog like a baby. We love animals. We've lost two mutts, who died of old age. Now we lost the Jackal. My husband never abused any animal. The attack is inexplicable," laments Esther.

Although docile, she confesses that the dog had attacked Gill's brother a few months ago, causing injury. Pollyanna Fernanda Souza, a neighbor of the couple and that appears in the video asking for help from the people who watched and filmed the attack, also recalled the first attack of the Jackal. According to her, the dog advanced on the face of Gill's brother and tore his nose.

The neighbor strongly denies that Gill was violent with the pitbull. "I never saw anyone abusing the Jackal, on the contrary. The dog was very well maintained, fat, vaccinated, fed with a quality diet and loved the owners. It was just love. In fact I did not know he was called Jackal, as Mr. . Cezar always called him "Baby."

The city police officers who arrived reported that they smelled alcohol on the victim, a suspicion denied by Pollyanna. "It only smelled of blood. My sister helped clean the yard after and said it was still smelling of blood."

dawn james said...

thank you sharon! i will add this translation and bump it to the top.

THANK YOU!

Jewel Jade said...

5 shots to the pit bull and it was still alive?! And still attacking after 2 shots!? WTF are these dogs made of?! These dogs have NO BUSINESS in our society, none at all! How can anyone look at this video and STILL deny what these dogs are made of? What they do, and how well they do it, with a wagging tail!? Just sheer madness! BAN PIT BULLS!!!!!

vintage said...

Oh well...Pour the victim into the Meatwagon, hose the blood off the patio and pump out another litter!

Miss Margo said...

5 shots!!!

Sharon Yildiz said...

Happy I could help with the translation.

The dog's attitude is unfathomable, and I've been a dog trainer and behaviorist for years. The tail wagging and general attitude seems as if the dog was just "playing" and the owner's arms were the tug toys. This shows how messed up a breed it is, when the dog keeps on tuggin' on the owner's arms while blood is gushing out and the owner is howling in anguish.

And the 5 bullets thing is par for the course with pit bulls.

I'm preparing to move back to the USA in the next couple months, and am already planning to get a conceal-carry permit solely for pit bull defense if they come after me or my dogs.

I'm trying to figure out if a gun or Tazer will be more effective. A gun seems to eventually work, if you empty every round into the dog. Does anybody have footage or anecdotal evidence if a Tazer is effective against a pit bull attack? Do the police use Tazers for this?

I read on the Tazer website that wildlife biologists are even using them now to immobilize moose and bear when they need to remove an object stuck on the animal's head (such as a can, etc.) To me, that seems like it might be more effective than bullets, though without the long-term satisfaction of giving a dirt nap to a seriously violent animal... (Hopefully, the government will take care of that part after the obligatory quarantine).

DubV said...

Not sure I'd trust what Tazer says as promotions.

There are several handgun aficionados here, so I'm interested in their input.

Why not one first and then add the second later, if that makes you feel better? Carry a gun and taser.

dawn james said...

the following comments do not refer to NORMAL everyday easy peasy dogs.

i HATE tasers for dogs and here is why.
cop tases rott

sure, the taser saved the cop's ass but now there is dangerous rott in an agitated state running through the neighborhood! can you imagine if that thing crosses paths with your grandmother walking her poodle. THEY SHOULD JUST SHOOT THESE FUCKERS! instead they put others at risk.

same with pepper spray, just pisses them off. years ago when i was in training for one of my jobs, the LE giving the training talked about encountering 2 aggressive rotts. he and his partner emptied their pepper spray (i believe it is stronger than what the public can buy) on the 2 rotts, it only enraged them.

it is a crap shoot with gripping dogs (and rotts). it might work, it might buy you a few seconds to escape and it might not. it might just make the situation worse.

DubV said...

Sharon, there are many other articles where a bullet or two put pitties lights out. You're right though, the ones where they absorb lead like a sponge, leaves one a bit shocked and tends to stick out in the mind. Of course, caliber, bullet construction, and shot placement are paramount here. I would suggest a caliber that you can shoot comfortably. Most people can shoot a mid-size frame 38 special that holds 6 shots relatively well. You can also get 7 and even 8 shot versions now. I wouldn't be afraid of any pit bull with that gun. If you're nervous, carry a speed loader to get another 6 shots in and also a knife for back up.

Miss Margo said...

I concur with DubV. Before I moved to NYC, I had a concealed carry permit (still do, actually, but it's no good in NY). I had a .32 longnose wheelgun and I was very fond of it, but I have to tell you, I think a bigger caliber would be a better bet. I have small hands and could handle the .32 well as it had minimal recoil, but I do not think that it would necessarily stop a big jacked-up guy high on drugs, unless I hit his head or a vital organ. Much less a pit bull.

I agree with Dawn James: pepper spray is useless against dogs and probably against someone who wants to kill you, too.

Re: tasers...not on a dog. And they move so fucking fast!

If you get a gun, practice. Practice practice practice.

vintage said...

Pual,

No need to be so disappointed with mankind...26 Carnegie Lifesaving Medals have been award to individuals risking themselves to save a Pit Mauling victim

Pit Carnegie Medal “Winners”


Many, many more have received state and local awards:


Local Pit Rescue award “winners”

Amy Krussell said...

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DepthCharge said...

Even if he beat the dog daily - no normal dog would do this. If that was the case, there would be absolutely no abuse of dogs at all ever, nor would they be kept as pets. This guy raised himself up a nice game pit bull and paid the price.
The dog was obviously well fed and in great condition. Doggie DNA at it's finest. Also - I don't feel this was an "attack" at all - this was hold on, shake, don't let go".....what other dog attacks like that? Maybe Rotts?

Never underestimate the power of DNA.