In a very ambitious campaign to bully the residents of Tehachapi, Tia Torres has spun a wicked fairy tale to incite frothy rage in thousands of pit nutters across the US. The fantasy features "an individual on a witch hunt" ...who is... "spewing hatred" against the victim supreme - the pit bull. "Never in my dreams would I think that such an angry and hateful woman co-existed there." Torres has the pit bull posse signing petitions left and right demanding that Tehachapi comply with the nationwide nutter population's demands to allow Villalobos to open a shelther there.
In reality Torres' "individual, angry, hateful witch hunter" is Merle Carnes, a woman in her late 60's and in poor health who just lost her husband a few months ago.Carnes is president of the Old West Ranch Property Owners Association and was acting as such when she wrote a letter to her neighbors in Old West Ranch. In the letter she urges her neighbors to weigh in against the dog rescue for many reasons. Most of her concerns would be applicable to a 100 dog rescue for any breed, though the fact that many of these dogs are no ordinary pitties, but demonstrably aggressive pit bulls already judged dangerous and removed from owners by court orders is a significant factor.
Carnes and 7 out of 8 of her neighbors are concerned about the impact of a large population of dogs will have on the community for a number of reasons:
· A much smaller rescue on the same site posed quality of life and safety problems for the community.
· Torres' rescue will be 12 times larger than the previous rescue.
· Concerns about the quality of supervision of both the dogs and the parolees
· High number of fighting dogs when dog fighting has been a problem in the past in the area.
· Negative environmental impact of 100 dogs with regards to water pollution and air pollution.
· Increased potential for air-borne dust spread disease Valley Fever
· Negative impact on roads and increased road maintenance costs.
· Concerns about 100 barking dogs diminishing community's quality of life.
· Torres' assumption she will have free access to her neighbors' properties with her dogs (trespassing)
Carnes is not making any of these concerns up. In June of 2010, before the community was aware of Torres' plans, Ken Mixon wrote a letter on the Old West Ranch Owners Association facebook page enumerating some persistent problems that needed to be addressed in the community:
· Stray dogs and owners not following the law
· Trespassing
· Speeding on dirt roads - The Air Pollution Control set the speed limit for dirt roads at 15 mph. This is a health and environmental issue
· Tight budget
Ken Mixon has since decided to support the 100 dog rescue in the neighborhood. He transmitted portions of a letter sent to him from Torres to the OWR HOA facebook page in which she states that she has had "ZERO barking dogs complaints."
That directly contradicts what is reported in an interview with her that was printed Nov. 4, 2010. 'Torres not only contends with her neighbors, who don’t like the barking dogs, but with law enforcement. “It’s a tough battle here. We get harassed by law enforcement a lot,” she says, waving her black-tipped nails in the air. “We get phone calls from law enforcement from all over the country. They love us, except right here in our own county (Los Angeles County.) They hate us.”'
Carnes is not alone in voicing her concerns, however; Don Olsen on the OWR POA facebook page raises the following issues:
· Quality of life deterioration when triple chain link fencing and concrete perimeters and multiple storage containers create an eye-sore like the one in Agua Dulce
· Potential danger if dogs were released in the event of a wildfire
· Increased traffic from parolees and workers, visitors, and camera crews
· Unreliable "promise" that road maintenance will be paid for by the TV production company only so long as the show lasts
· Rumors of expansion to other properties
And in addition to the issues raised by community members, it would be wise for the community to question Torres about these additional issues:
· Reliability of supervision of the facility in light of the fact that there have been legal problems at the Aqua Dulce property both with drugs and stolen property
· Who owns and who will be responsible for the property since Tia Torres does not own it?
· How big will the rental cabin venture be? What kind of facilities will be provided for the renters?
· How many animals will actually be there including rescues, pets and exotic species?
But back to Merle Carnes, Tia's scapegoat created to bully an entire town. When a devastating wildfire broke out last summer, Merle Carnes delayed her own evacuation to make sure her neighbors had been alerted. When her car wouldn't start, a neighbor rescued her.
After the fire, "as board members of the POA, Buzz Grantham and Merle Carnes (led) the team on the Ranch working with the Salvation Army and the Red Cross and doing the coordination between them and the fire victims."
While supporting a large 320 wind turbine project by Terra-Gen, Carnes brokered an agreement to move or remove three turbines that would have been placed too close to the Old West Ranch area.
Carnes was publicly thanked for providing hospice care for a neighbor.
Merle was not alone in helping out after the fire. "Merle Carnes, said it’s the type of community where everyone checks on everyone else to see how they’re doing. Carnes, who is president of the local homeowners association, said they will be taking care of people who have suffered losses."
Not only is Torres attempting to scapegoat Merle Carnes, she is trying to create a rift in a community that has been able to be self-sufficient because they have helped each other out and taken care of each other.
Torres, talking out of both sides of her mouth, first condemns Merle Carnes as a meddling, disinterested person, suggesting that "(t)his woman lives nowhere near the new place yet she, for some reason wants to shut down an organization..."
Then Torres turns right around and threatens to bring in people from hundreds or thousands of miles away to somehow legitimize her cause.
'A hearing has been set for March 10th where the community and Torres will get a chance to speak their minds.
Torres and her friends have been spreading the word that if the county board denies her a permit and a variance, Villalobos will be destroyed.
If villalobos is moving to Tehachapi and leaving Agua Dulce, then Torres needs to explain what she is going to do with all her animals. At Agua Dulce, she has over 120 pit bulls, uncounted dogs of other breeds, about 20 wolves, her own pets - dozens of cats and dogs, and a couple of bears.
On the other hand, if this is an expansion, then it is an outright lie that Villalobos will be shut down if they aren't successful in bullying their way into this community. And if it is an expansion, who is going to be supervising 100 pit bulls and parolees at the Tehachapi rescue, her daughters?
In addition to Torres, the actual owners of the property should also be present at the hearing on March 10th because they will be legally responsible for the maintenance and any accidents that occur there. That's right, Torres' name is not even on the deed to this property. The deed holders are Tia's daughter Mariah Harmony Kaye, a 19 year old judgment-proof girl and a real estate agent named Veronica (RoniR) Raczkowski. Raczkowski is also the "California Team Leader for Best Friends Network."
The town of Tehachapi should know what kind of people are bullying their way into their town. Tia Torres, mother of two daughters and "adoptive mother" to twin boys, describes herself this way:
"I'm a rebel, I'm an advocate for the underdog and I've become disenchanted with the "system." (don't count on her to care about traditions,rules, or laws). My kids are my pride and joy even if they don't think that's the way I feel about them. I have a husband (in prison) who adores me more than life itself (she's got no competition) and I am overwhelmed with his heart (but his brain that put him back in prison, not so much). My dogs have been my life saviors and I wouldn't be where I am today without them. My life revolves around all of the above. And though I'm am perceived as a thick skinned, hard as nails, don't give a shit kind of person, its' only because of what our family has had to endure (it's the world's fault if she's a selfish outlaw). We are true believers of Karma and feel that because of all the good things we try to do as a family, that she (karma is not a goddess, but whatever) will protect us and if need be...become one hell of a bitch (the gods are on her side, not yours). Screw me once, shame on you. Screw me twice, shame on me. Fuck me a third time...watch what happens (did this suddenly get literal?)."
Aren Marcus Jackson, Torres' currently incarcerated husband on the 3 strikes rule was arrested for possession of stolen property which was found at Villalobos and which he blames on one of the other parolees.
The twin adoptive sons, Kanani and Keli'i, "started off by just working here on weekends...and they're still here. And they fit right in with the rest, getting speeding tickets and getting their cars impounded...and you know, they're now part of the moll's extended family." Remember, people, 15 mph for the environment and the neighborhood! yeah right. The twins fit in even better with the parolees when one of them got busted for meth and heroin at Villalobos.
Both of her daughters are following in Tia's footsteps, pussyfooting way past independence into the land of the outlaw.
Here's Mariah, co-deed holder of the Tehachapi property and her older sister Tania in October 2010:
Giving the nutter salute
And here is their new motto as of February 26, 2011:
Lyrical, isn't it?
In addition, there are the parolees. Torres assures the neighbors she doesn't hire sex offenders but I guess apart from that anything goes. She also claims to have forgotten one of her current parolees offenses...FANTASTIC supervision and very reassuring to the community.
The town of Tehachapi also should know the kind of people Tia has whipped into a frenzy of hate and spite and will be coming to Tehachapi from all over the country for the hearing on March 10th.
This is a smattering of responses to Tia's call to arms:
Chris Burk "This woman (Merle Carnes) is nuts!!! It sounds to me like she is trying to draw attention to herself Because of the TV show. Some people have nothing better to do that to try to cause other people problems!!"
Then there is Lynda Fleming Wright:
who says of Merle Carnes, "So sad that some people never do any Good in their lives, only try to stop people like Tia...This woman I'll just call her Cruela Diville needs to step up and get involved in something worthwile..."
And Tehachapi, please be on the alert for creepy riff raff like this guy invading your town on March 10th to intimidate you:
"I'm behind you all the way Tia !! Making some calls to legal peeps :) I met some really good ones since the last time I was here !"
Who knows maybe Stevil Helmer, his band Die Hard Til Death, and his pit bull might all be there to visit:
With Hanging Friends
the nutter salute
The pit bulls, the parolees, the Torres, and their fans - who wouldn't want that circus to move into their remote, independent, close knit, and environmentally fragile neighborhood?
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It is apparent that you are an even bigger bully. Look at your posts.... belittling and name-calling will not make your points valid.
Chew on this...
http://hubpages.com/hub/CDC-Dog-Bite-Statistics
Most of you anti's are hung up on statistics that aren't even VALID!!! The CDC isn't even willing to stand behind their own statistics. Go ahead and preach about pit bulls being "more aggressive" or holding the highest numbers in "maulings" and "maims"! You apparently can't fix IGNORANCE! Those of us who know better... won't be buying into your fallacies. Good luck trying to convince the world of your point of view on debunked statistics, opinions, and media hysteria. the ones who stand behind the breed will always be here to educate people. You can't convince everyone, but at least we aren't having to resort to scare tactics and name-calling to try to get a point across. In the mean-time... We do get a good chuckle out of the "bull" (no pun intended) that comes from the mouths of you anti's!
Drex what happened to you and your dog is sad and im sorry that haooend. but it wasnt the pit bulls fault. any dog can be made vicious whether its the owners want or not. did people fail to notice that someone else started this whole thing? Tia has just been trying to stand up for herself while also keeping her dignity and the diginty of her dogs. and Drex you may not have become fearful of the breed, but you went another way and became hateful and im sorry that happened to you.
Every breed bites people! It's all on how they are raised & trained! You only here about dog bites/attacks when it is a Pitbull because of the name "Pitbull"! DUH!!! If someone's Poodle bit someone, is that ok, Drex!?! I think you're the stupid one because you obviously haven't done your research & if you have a dog, it's gotta be the most unruely dog there is! If you think Labs, Beagles, & Poodles are good dogs, then you know nothing about dogs! I work at a doggie daycare, & have since 2004, plus I've trained & bred dogs my whole life before that, & the most problematic dogs are #1-Labs, #2-German Shepards, #3-Beagles/any Hounds, #4-Boxers, shall I continue...? Pitbulls actually do extremely well at daycare & one of my Pitbulls is a therapy dog! To the anonymous writer, it's so good to see you defending the breed, especially to this "know-it-all" Drex character who can find all this bull about Pitbulls, & yet won't even attempt to look for other dog breed attacks! I'm done with all this ridiculous crap from you, Drex! Have at it with all your negativity, since you obviously have nothing better to do...
"As a Military Officer I am ashamed of the conduct of so many adults."
You mean like the ones who came here who were breeding fighting dogs in military housing crowded in with kids and other pets?
Who were cheating the U.S. citizen while they ran a game dogger breeding business illegally, in the worst possible place to have a fighting breed, overcrowded military housing?
Unfortunately there are some people in the military breeding dogs that kill kids, and involved in dog fighting. Some of them have gotten busted.
Did you notice that all the suckers are disturbed and slow girls like Sarah Martin?
Easy targets for a scam.
Taking advantage of the mentally disabled.
HA! HA! CRAVEN,
They've been warned. And what you want to bet they will keep digging themselves deeper and deeper and deeper.
I see a lot of posts defending the creepy daughters.
I wonder if some of these kids aren't the creepy daughters friends?
After all, the creepy daughters get fewer expensive toys if the $$ donn't keep rolling in from the suckers
Wow. Where to start. Um. First and foremost. Congrast on showing people how prejudice you are in your blog. To back up my claim that you are prejudice let's see you posted pics of what "normal" society classifies as "creepy or freaks." So how about this one. I appear "normal" in society terms of looks and I hold the same opinion concerning Tia, the pittbulls and the parolee's that the "creeps/freaks", as you call them, do. I have seen with my own eyes Pittbulls, Rottweilers, and even Doberman's that think they're lap dogs. They are some of the biggest babies. But because of the unfortunate ones that have been bred for fighting and/or mistreated the ENTIRE breed has been condemned because of excessively closed minded people.
Well how's this for a reality check. Did you know that other breeds are also used for dog fights? Like chihuahua's Pomerianian's, ect? I have seen more people be attacked, bit and mauled by UNPROVOKED small dogs than I have big dogs like Pittbulls. I myself have been bit by dogs, but it was the small dogs that bit me yet I don't hold grudge against them. Everyone, except child molesters, deserves another chance for a better life. Rather it's a dog or human.
As far as the concern of Merle Carnes, I think that she should of handled this differently. She is CLEARLY misunderstanding the breed, the parolees AND the intentions of the Villalobos Rescue Center. Too many people misunderstand these dogs and the parolees.
Now concerning the clearly personal attack on Tia's daughters. All I have to say is saying such a personal attack only makes one look IMMATURE. These young women are trying to do something great and trying to help get dogs off the streets, rehabilitated and get them new homes. The Parolees are also being rehabilitated in a sense.
I find it rather entertaining/amusing that this town of Tehachapi is so concerned about the parolees that are trying to turn their acts around when there is a MAX Security State prison right there. Well I decided to do some homework via Wikipedia.
I quote the part of the Tehachapi State Prison info:
FacilitiesCCI has 1,650 acres (6.7 km2) including Level I ("Open dormitories with a secure perimeter") housing; Level II ("Open dormitories with secure perimeter fences and armed coverage") housing; Level IV ("Cells, fenced or walled perimeters, electronic security, more staff and armed officers both inside and outside the installation") housing; a Security Housing Unit (SHU, which is "the most secure area within a Level IV prison designed to provide maximum coverage"); and a Reception Center (RC) which "provides short term housing to process, classify and evaluate incoming inmates."[4][5] As of Fiscal Year 2006/2007, CCI had 2,003 staff and an annual budget of $168 million.[4] As of September 2007, it had a design capacity of 2,785 but a total institution population of 5,806, for an occupancy rate of 208.5 percent.[6]
End Quote.
This says it all, at the end of the fake feel good story about another fighting dog
"Related:
Pit Bull Throws Owner’s Drugs at Police During Traffic Stop"
Kind of sounds like the visitors here.
Drex, you obviously have alot of anger issues & you're getting way off track! I didn't learn my Pitbull info from word of mouth; I've learned from research & experience. Watch the movie "Off The Chain". It has some pretty awful fights with Pits, yes, but it explains how the breed has gotten it's bad reputation & what the breed is actually REALLY like! They are loving dogs! Anonymous & Michelle, you are both just amazing for your loyalty & understanding of the breed, & to Tia/Villalobos:-)
To: Anon 2:13pm
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I do not blame the dog. I do however, blame the owners of those dogs, and I blame the breeders for making pit bulls the way the are today. Which is why I'm an advocate for regulation. One because I've been attacked as have many others. But also regulation because there are good owners out there who can take care of their pit bulls. Regulation is the only way both sides can meet midway about the pit bull problem. In fact, many of them should be happy that there are victims out there willing to give them and their dogs a chance.
I still do think though that many pit bulls are not too bright and should be put down due to previous individual attacks they've accumulated. The one that severely mutilated my pet corgi got away scott free, all based on the premise of "dogs being dogs." Never once have I heard a pit bull owner truly repent for the negative consequences of them and their breed. And I mean truly repent.
If people kept control of this strong and ferocious animal. I would not be fearful nor have a problem with their existence.
Now me personally I'd be ALOT more concerned about these people that need such EXTREME security. I mean heck. Villalobos doesn't need all that to keep in these "vicious" dogs and parolees. I'd be much more concerned about if someone was actually able to escape this state prison. They would be more of a threat to the town than any person or animal at Villalobos. Why? First who knows why these prisonors need such EXTREME security. And secondly they are humans and know how to be sneaky and avoid being caught.
I would much rather have a Pitt and Parolee "rehab" in my town than a extreme max security prison. And I have a almost 2 yr old boy that has been around various of pittbulls, my son has been rather rough with alot of them yet they just lay there and let him do his thing. Some pittbull pups have even got up and played with him yet they took care of how gentle they were. One male 10 month old pittbull even accidently knocked my son over while they were wrestling around. My son started crying and the dog went up to him started to whimper and lick his face as though he was apologizing. Now, does this sound like a bunch of vicious dogs? I think not. I have been bit by miniture poodles and chiuahuahua's. Heck when I was 6 a miniture poodle bit me on the face between my eyes when I was playing with my toys yet a big fuss wasn't made.
Sarah Martin said:
"Every breed bites people! It's all on how they are raised & trained!
This is nothing more than a verbatim dump of the standard pit bull talking points, which don't stand up to logic. Let's take a look at these statements:
"Every breed bites people" That may be true, but some breeds don't let go. A lab or a GSD can sometimes bite, but a pit bull doesn't just bite, it eviscerates its prey as it attacks with unparalleled ferocity.
If you seriously consider a nip from an ankle biter as being equally serious as a life threatening mauling from a pit bull, then you are deluded.
"It's all in how they are raised and trained". Actually it has very little to do how they are raised and trained. It's something called genetics. Are you unaware of how many cases there have been of a pit bull which was lovingly raised in a good home, considered safe, and then without warning, savagely attacked a family member, a neighbor, or a beloved pet?
You actually know of a pit bull that has been placed as a therapy dog? That is an absolute outrage - Heaven help the poor therapy recipient if the pit bull decides to attack him.
Michelle Leigh said:
"(Tia) is above being slanderous".
Red on the head does not a goddess make. Someone should let Ms. Torres in on that. ;)
Perhaps JOANNE DAVID might want to inquire of Best Friends why they are letting the Vick pit bulls kill sanctuary dogs, why Best Friends is dumping their sanctuary animals that they promised to care for their whole lives, why the merchandise that Best Friends sells does NOT help the animals but goes to the founders' personal bank accounts, why Best Friends REFUSES to take animals brought to the sanctuary or abandoned to die in the desert near them, and many other ethical questions.
Joanne does not seem too disturbed about Best Friends lies and hypocrisies. Nor about the big bucks theme that has taken over Best Friends, appealing to SUCKERS for their money.
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Iom5RTlnY8gJ:www.salesforcefoundation.org/node/1992+%22joanne+david%22+pit+bulls&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&source=www.google.com
"my son has been rather rough with alot of them yet they just lay there and let him do his "
Charlotte Kontz, YOU ENDANGERED YOUR SON AND LET HIM DO THIS?
Do you realize he will be removed from you and you will face criminal charges if anything happens?
Do you know that pit bulls are the number one canine killer and mauler of kids? THat even the people who breed pit bulls say they don't belong around kids?
(and could you learn how to spell? That might help your son too, if his mother could actually become literate. But then he has a mother who let a scammer take her for a ride)
and the answer is....Charlotte Kontz is yet another one of these scumbag breeders making a buck off the backs of pit bulls, which is why so many of them are getting euthanized and abandoned
"Some pittbull pups have even got up and played with him yet they took care of how gentle they were"
WOW!!! People need to calm down & get their facts straight because I'm reading a bunch of crap on here! To macho military guy, my Pitbull is the therapy dog I was refering to & she is the most mello & well mannered dog I've EVER owned! And you are just like Drex, just out to insult everyone & talk like you know everything! You are just writing nonsense! Why doesn't everybody focus on the article we're blogging about, instead of attacking each other!?! That's if negative Anonymous writer & Drex can do so...
Wow. this is obsurd. Have you ever met Tia? obviously not. she is a kind hearted woman. She has a passion to save dogs that trash like you throw out on the street. and to abuse her family verbally... really? what is wrong with you. THEY ARE YOUNG KIDS. THEY WILL MAKE MISTAKES. Im sure you were a young kid once too. And im positive you have made numerous mistakes in your lives. I have two pit bulls. They ae best dogs i have ever interacted with and I trust them with my life. This breed has had alot of bad publicity because a few idiotic people have ruined a few dogs with fighting. Every breed of dog and every race of uman makes mistakes. nobody not animal or human is perfect. You sir and your lynch mob are fighting a loosing battle
@ Charlotte Kontz
"Well how's this for a reality check. Did you know that other breeds are also used for dog fights? Like chihuahua's Pomerianian's, ect?"
Prove it. You can't just make any old statement and call it a reality check. Show the proof of chis and poms bred to fight to the death in fighting pits.
"As far as the concern of Merle Carnes, I think that she should of handled this differently. She is CLEARLY misunderstanding the breed, the parolees AND the intentions of the Villalobos Rescue Center. Too many people misunderstand these dogs and the parolees."
You're blaming the victim again. Merle Carnes is protecting the quality of life and the real estate values of everyone in OWR.
READ MORE CAREFULLY the pit bulls and parolees are only a PART of the concerns that the neighbors have.
If anyone should handle this differently, it is Tia Torres. She made this woman to be a lone, disinterested, meddlesome person - when in fact she lives in the community, she's president of the POA, and her concerns are well founded. What kind of person paints someone who has done so much for her community as hate spewing angry woman on a witch hunt?
As for Tania and Mariah, they just let the co-owner and her older sister speak for themselves. You think they don't see themselves as outlaws? What does Mariah have tattooed on her stomach? It is absolutely relevant that people see who is going to be held legally responsible for the property. The poor judgment they use extends to the kinds of photos and language they use in a public forum.
Tia also did research. She needs a parolee source, doesn't she? So, she's the one who vets which parolees get to live in a residential neighborhood when her sole criteria seems to be no sex offenders. Failed cop killers A-OK. Right.
Why don't you look into the escape rate at the prison while you're at it, and report back about that along with the report about the killer poms.
"Well how's this for a reality check. Did you know that other breeds are also used for dog fights? Like chihuahua's Pomerianian's, ect?'
Really Charlotte? REALLY?? What reality did this come from?
Here are my thoughts on this issue, not that anyone asked.
My education on the breed came in a violent attack. My life will never be the same. Pit bull apologists, like the posters on this blog, demanded that local media retract a 100% true story because it "damaged the reputation of pit bulls." It was also demanded that I make a public apology for my part in the damage to the reputation of the breed. There was no concern for the victim. There is never any concern for the victim. Has a pit bull advocacy group ever, EVER considered a fund raiser for a mauled child? The answer is no. Families and friends run car washes and bingo nights in an attempt to help cover medical bills for children hospitalized for days or weeks. Has a pit bull advocacy group ever collected money to cover funeral expenses for a victim? That answer is no as well. Pit bull fanciers will, however, open their wallets and hand over cash so grifters like Tia can live large.
All of you need to shut the fuck up. My god. Get a life, people. Pitbull are not dangerous. All dog owner are responsible to train the dogs, not dogs training themselves. God will punish you if you keep talking shit about dogs. Geez all of you are so fucking immature bloggers and saying negative things about pitbull. I am a Pitbull lover which i am responsible owner!!!!! Leave tia torres alone or any of dog owners!
@April 29: That's what kills me about these nutters. From the way they talk, one would think there were wild roving packs of pomeranians and chihuahuas running the streets. People around here who I see carrying sticks and other weapons as they jog and do other outdoor activities aren't doing so because of toy dogs, I assure you.
I would also like to see these people respond to being called out on their lack of empathy for the victims of pit bull attacks.
- Anonymouse
Anon 3:09 PM
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Three things can be summerized from your comment.
1.
You're an adult how never learned real English.
2.
You're a teenager with the mind of a sheep and the intelligence of a rock.
3.
You're just genetically prone to stupidity.
Yeah white people or some of you need to get a education about pitbull. Pitbull are the most lovable & world misunderstood breed. Bad owner let it happen when it comes to pitbull attack and dog fighting. Its the bad owner responsible to let it happen. Good owner are responsible to train Pitbull, not all dogs cant be train themselves. Impossible that i sees some of people dont even fucking know how to train dogs or pitbull it is because they dont train the dogs or pitbull. wow how horrible. I see most of you shit crap saying negative things about pitbull goes like oh pitbull are bad, violent. Let me tell you, people. dogs and parolees are not bad which god given them a 2nd chance in life!!! God made the people and animal out of clay which life isnt perfect.
Do you people even watch Pit Bulls and Parolees? If you did, you would see that the majority of the dogs are not aggressive at all. Schoolchildren regularly volunteer and are surprised by how fiendly and affectionate the dogs are. Tiad takes dogs to schools to educate children on the reality of how docile and friendly this breed can be. Now, I'm not saying that some of Tia's dogs are not aggressive, but she is adamant that any of the dogs that are so aggressive they cannot be rehabilitated so they are adoptable, she will have them put to sleep. The dogs are not allowed to run all over the place. Yes, Tia takes in former "fighting" dogs, but most are former "bait" dogs and so fearful it's heartbreaking. It's also a known fact that most Pit Bulls are not predisposed to attack humans. In fact, in dog fighting, dogs that do show aggression to humans are killed (not that I'm defending dog fight rings). This breed is one of the best family pets you can find. And why would this Sanctuary have an impact on roads? Same for the Valley fever concern. Valley fever has nothing to do with dogs! It's a fungus that grows in the soil and "Valley Fever is NOT spread from human to human, or animal to animal, or animal to human, or human to animal." (http://www.azdhs.gov/phs/oids/epi/disease/cocci/faq.htm)
And the concern over the release of the dogs in case of a wildfire? Recent events have shown that that would not happen. Tia had scores of volunteers pick up the dogs to get them away from the danger. Please people, think! Do your research, becasue clearly you haven't. I admit I used to be fearful of Pit Bulls believeing all the bad press. But when I started volunterring at the local Humane Society, I was shocked at how wrong I was! So much so, that I adopted one, and he's the best dog I've ever had. For God's sake, he ran from a Shih Tzu this evening on his walk! I'm not a fantaic about this breed, but I do recommend them as family pets, and I will do what I can to change the public's view of them.
Anon 3:22 PM
You don't even bother looking at those huge colorful resources on the right hand side of this blog you.
And it obviously never occurred to you that we've heard all the lies you're perpetuating.
And it's obvious you've done one sided research on this matter.
Read some more, then come back and debate.
Drex You said this.......When was the last time you've heard of a pomeranian killing 24 people a year? Let alone severely biting or mauling hundreds?
According to a link on this site from Dog Bite, the bible for haters, 251 people have died from Pit Bull attacks since 1877. That comes out to 1.8 deaths per year. Far short of the numbers you are spraying like a hog dogger with no teeth. I looked and didn't see where that many people died in a single year. I would be interested in a link, if one actually exists.
At 1.8 per year you dumbshits are crying about a non event.
Craven says research, research,research. I say cripple,cripple cripple.
"Good owner are responsible to train Pitbull, not all dogs cant be train themselves"
Why do I feel like dog fighters from other countries are posting here trying to defend Tia Torres?
Notice the racism with this guy too.
The foreign dog fighters buy their stock from American pit bull breeders.
Just because pitbulls in your neighborhood don't go to a dog groomer to be groomed doesn't mean that noone does. I've had pitbulls, labs, chihuahuas..ect and all are short hair breeds so your point is mute. The grooming salon I worked at was actually in a area between the ghetto and a nicer area..so we got a large variety of customers. Pitbulls and their pain tolerance has nothing to do with the point I was trying to make. Many dogs don't like to be groomed..they may hate getting their nails clipped, nails grinded, or getting dried by a high velocity dryer..thus it may trigger the dog to be aggressive with nipping, biting, growling ect.. Of all the pitbulls I've groomed NONE of them have ever nipped or bit at me. Yet I've had numerous problems with yorkies, pugs, labs, chihuahuas..ect breeds that many consider "good family pets". Untill you work with dogs daily as a job you won't be able to accurately judge the tolerance of different breeds..all you are able to do is speculate by opinion and research you may have done.
"If you want a breed that is loyal, get a labrador, beagle, or poodle."
Honestly, noone can recommend specific breeds as "good family pets" because it all depends on the individual dog. I've dealt with labs that I would want nowhere near my child. And just because a beagle would be good with a family doesn't mean it's for everyone..beagles often are nuisance barkers and are turned into shelters because of this :(
Poodles- a stable and reliable breed typically but many people get them and don't keep up with their grooming responsibilities..thus alot of matting problems which hurt the dog
How many of these people do you think have been scammed by "pit bull rescues."
They don't have brains
These people can't even think on their own. They just repeat the same pit nutter junk they've been told, and they mimic like mynahbirds.
The pit nutters are like robots.
Well, they can go right ahead and flush money down the toilet with their "donations." Not doing anything to help pit bulls anyway. Actually, their donations to this scam are hurting pit bulls.
"At 1.8 per year you dumbshits are crying about a non event."
Tia Torres says that human deaths because of pit bulls are "non events?"
A child's life, lost to a fighting breed known as pit bull, is a "non event?"
(pit bulls are the number one canine killer of kids)
What about the hundreds of pit bull maulings every year that result in disability?
Does Tia Torres call those non-events too?
These pit nutters are sadists. They hate people. They love the killing.
I see you still insist on posting all sorts of misinformation in your blog Craven lol. You spend all your time under your rock looking for people who have anything to do with this breed. How many incidents did Tia have at her other property? You also state that the dogs have been seized due to court orders. How did you come about this information, the one episode where they showed a seized dog? Then on to attacking her children? Wow some things never change hah?
If only you could utilize all this wasted time and use it to do some good. You and the 20 or so people who follow your blog really need to seek out some other means of entertainment.
Theres more misinformation in this blog than most of the newspaper articles about alleged "pit bull" attacks. Im not gonna be all scared like your little followers and not post my name, because I am not afraid of people knowing who am or what I fight for. Of course this will probably get you all frothy mouthed since I havent bothered reading the dribble on here in awhile.
These jackasses aren't even't aware that pit bulls have been bred in the United States for hundreds of years solely and specifically as fighting dogs (documented by the dog fighters themselves), and that human-aggressive fighting dog pit bulls have killed and attacked humans, and been named champions and BRED to pass on that aggression to future generations!
To Drex
"I do not blame the dog. I do however, blame the owners of those dogs, and I blame the breeders for making pit bulls the way the are today. Which is why I'm an advocate for regulation. One because I've been attacked as have many others. But also regulation because there are good owners out there who can take care of their pit bulls. Regulation is the only way both sides can meet midway about the pit bull problem. In fact, many of them should be happy that there are victims out there willing to give them and their dogs a chance.
I still do think though that many pit bulls are not too bright and should be put down due to previous individual attacks they've accumulated. The one that severely mutilated my pet corgi got away scott free, all based on the premise of "dogs being dogs." Never once have I heard a pit bull owner truly repent for the negative consequences of them and their breed. And I mean truly repent.
If people kept control of this strong and ferocious animal. I would not be fearful nor have a problem with their existence"
That's the most intelligent thing I have heard you say. Well parts of it anyways. Can't agree with you on the ferocious part. Any dog can be made ferocious with neglect and abuse. Pit bulls are no different. They are not born ferocious!
Tia is responsible for her dogs. She has the knowledge and abilities to safely keep and contain these dogs. Why should she not be allowed to continue business as she has done previously, only in a new location? Especially if she is responsible in doing so?
I'm all for regulations, but not discriminative to this breed only. Regulations should apply to any one owning an animal, regardless of breed. People need to get a grip on reality, start being respectful, and more importantly RESPONSIBLE!!! Pit bulls have been deemed a nuisance breed. I assure you I've known many other breeds to be more of a nuisance than any Pit I've ever come across. Just because you have a corgi or the person down the street has a poodle... doesn't mean that the same training and considerations DON'T need to be present. Perhaps you have taken the time to properly socialize and train your dog... but many DON'T! They assume their dog is not a threat and they don't need to. It annoys me to no end. I shouldn't have to be more diligent with my dog than any other owner. Too many people also get dogs without doing research. They pick up a puppy cause it's "cute" or their kids want one. Then when they find out they don't have the skills or the patience to properly care for the dog it ends up on the curb and in a shelter. Tia has the skills. What happens to all the dogs in her care? I'm totally confused now on your stand on this topic? Are you for or against Tia and her parolee's making a difference?
And as far as Pit Bulls being "not too bright"... I can't agree with that statement. They are actually VERY BRIGHT and extremely EASY TO TRAIN! Why do you think some people are soooo successful in using them in fighting rings? It's because of their dedication and desire to please their master. If the dogs master wishes the dog to do harm... then ultimately it will. If the dogs master isn't a leader the dog will do as it wishes. It's kind of like teenagers these days. If you don't raise them with some morals, boundaries, guidance, and supervision... typically they get themselves into trouble. They don't know any better. They were never taught how to behave properly. Kids aren't born with greater issues... they develop over time from what they see and experience. Dogs aren't much different.
You people are nuts and really need to get a life and get your facts straight. I am a Pit Bull owner and have no idea what a nutter is. I flip people off & I have tattoos, I'm sure you will want to pass judgement on me as well. I donate thousands of dollars to dog rescues each year and spend a ton of money each Christmas to buy presents for poor children. How dare you judge a Pit Bull owner because we own a specific breed of dog. Pit Bulls pass temperment tests more than any other breed. Do some research, stop profiling, you are no better than people who pass judgement passed on someone's skin color. We rescue because the human race is such a disappointment and considers animals to be disposable. Yes, some of us care more about dogs than people. That is our choice. What have you done for society lately? I have been cleaning up other people's messes.
dog rescuer must be new.
http://thetruthaboutpitbulls.blogspot.com/2010/08/there-are-three-kinds-of-lies-lies.html
Anonymous said...
"These jackasses aren't even't aware that pit bulls have been bred in the United States for hundreds of years solely and specifically as fighting dogs (documented by the dog fighters themselves), and that human-aggressive fighting dog pit bulls have killed and attacked humans, and been named champions and BRED to pass on that aggression to future generations"
That's not really correct. Do some research before you chomp on your foot there "anonymous"! Start by googling "pit bull history and human aggression"! Try finding a link that tells you they were bred to be "human aggressive".
Here's a quote from this site
http://www.pitbulllovers.com/pit-bulls-and-human-aggression.html
"A correct Pit Bull will never be aggressive with people. The Pit Bull has been bred for centuries to be a human-friendly dog."
That was actually the VERY FIRST SENTENCES!
And if you want to go discussing the history of the "pit bull" then you really need to distinguish the particular breed you are talking about. As far as APBT's go... they were brought to the US and used for many purposes such as "catch dogs" for wild cattle and hogs. They were also used to hunt, drive livestock and as family companions. Yes... there were SOME that were bred and used to replace bull terriers in dog fighting. Are we having these conversations about bull terriers? Are they being punished because our ancestors used to fight their ancestors in the 20th century? Uhm, NO! Do you really think that every dog that migrated with their owners was bred into fighting? I am sure only a small handful were! Perhaps you thought you sounded good. Next time make sure you really have done your homework!
I'm watching this debate and here is what am I seeing:
On the craven desires side is intelligence, experience, solid research, full disclosure and an appeal to logic and reason.
On the pit bull side, I see strong passions and repetition of buzz words, prepared phrases, threats and angry accusations. The pit bull arguments appear for the most part to be ad hominem attacks, red herrings or appeals to ignorance.
Folks, this has all been very educational, thank you!
Well said Dan. The only reason I even read this trash is because Tia actually posted the link. Whoever said Pit Bull owners are brain washed is absolutely wrong. I have Dachshunds as well. Come into my house and my Dachshunds will bite you and not let go. My Pit Bull will be waiting to lick your face and hope you pet her. Bad dogs are not born, bad dogs are raised by bad owners. We currently have a Golden Retriever in town who will be put down for attacking, and badly injuring, a child. Do you think that made the papers? No, it isn't good news because it isn't a Pit Bull attack. Shame on all of you for attacking an entire breed. You are profilers and you set this country back 100's of years. Many of the reported attacks are Pit Bull type dogs, they have the look of a Pit Bull so the media jumps on it. NO dog should be left alone with a child, small or large. If you think you have a dog that you can leave alone with a child you are asking for trouble. ANY dog will bite, do not kid yourself into thinking that you are safe because there are no Pit Bulls in your neighborhood. I am still shocked at how close minded people are. Instead of doing research, and thinking for yourself, you jump on the bandwagon and decide an entire breed is dangerous and must go. I made the choice to have a Pit Bull in my home all on my own so before you decide that I must have been brain washed, think again. I am a college educated professional. Most days I love my dogs more than most people, reading these posts reminds me of why. And one more tidbit of info, I have never donated to Tia. Just thought I would add that in before you assume that is why I disagree with you.
"Whoever said Pit Bull owners are brain washed is absolutely wrong. I have Dachshunds as well. Come into my house and my Dachshunds will bite you and not let go. My Pit Bull will be waiting to lick your face and hope you pet her."
Why do you own dogs that will bite someone and not let go; regardless if it's a Dachshund or pit bull? Seems like something an irresponsible owner would allow, either that or it's not true.
speaking of full disclosure. what happened to that facebook conversation?
and speaking of research...
http://cravendesires.blogspot.com/2010/05/man-eaters-by-gary-j-hammonds.html
http://www.scribd.com/doc/31272682/Dogmen-Conversations-About-Man-Biters-and-Man-Eaters
FEW breeds of dogs were specifically bred for human aggression and few dogs of any breeds that weren't, were tolerated if man biters. do your research.
"The only reason I even read this trash is because Tia actually posted the link."
outstanding! talk about mindless drones. i think i will lead with this one.
Anonymous said...
"How many of these people do you think have been scammed by "pit bull rescues."
They don't have brains
These people can't even think on their own. They just repeat the same pit nutter junk they've been told, and they mimic like mynahbirds.
The pit nutters are like robots.
Well, they can go right ahead and flush money down the toilet with their "donations." Not doing anything to help pit bulls anyway. Actually, their donations to this scam are hurting pit bulls."
Really? The same could be said about you "anti's"! Always following the media hysteria, and basing your "evidence" on debunked studies.... always manipulating the truth in the history of the breed to make claim that they are "ferocious" beasts! Where as we "nuts" have tangible evidence! We have facts. Who's a robot? If you think I'm a robot... then I'd rather be a robot than a sheep any day! Robots are technically always right, so you can go on ahead and follow the herd! In the mean time I will continue on making a difference in the pit bull community.
(And FYI... I've not been scammed. You would have to have contributed money to a cause that doesn't exist for that to happen. These dogs are real! They exist! So how could people have been scammed? However, I am saving my money for my own Pit Bull conquest. Thats the one way I know my money and efforts can do the most good.) What have you done to make a contribution in this world?
I think people need to do their research before they start talking. It's not any animals fault on their behavior. The owners are the ones who need to train the dogs.. Pitbulls have served the military, and they police force! If they are such bad dogs, why would they have those kind of jobs!
They are not even number one on the aggesive breed list! Any dog can be aggessive!
I fully support Tia and villalobos. It's all about second chances! Everyone one deserves that, so do animals!!!
Michelle Leigh,
Sweetie, yes the dogs are real. But if you're part of the many money streams that go to funding high-priced lawyers and expensive tattoos then you're not really helping the dogs so much as you're helping the torres'.
Robots are techically always right? really? Fascinating...
Ever heard the phrase "garbage in, garbage out?"
It is really sad to see how educated people can act so childish and immature. With a few sharp tongued words and a twist or two on top of carefully placed images of people being human (like non of YOU ever flipped the camera off) and you can make even a baby sound evil.
You would think people would find more pressing matters to be concerned with rather than some woman that's trying to rehabilitate people and dogs. Some of the greatest, smartest people I know are ex-cons gone straight, I could have easily judged them as quickly and bigoted as other but I chose to look passed the tattoo's and mean looks.
What amuses me is when a "religious" person posts a nasty bigoted comment. "Do not judge lest ye be judged". I'm an atheist and even I grasp such a simple concept.
Rachel said:
"Pitbulls have served the military, and they police force!"
References please. The police I have heard from said they could never use such a dangerous and unpredictable animal in a K-9 role. I have heard of them being used in limited roles such as drug sniffing.
German Shepherds and Malinois are the breeds of choice for these types of roles because they are not only big and strong, but also intelligent and trainable.
hey don o.,
please contact me
crvndesires@gmail.com
Why do pit bull owners who have little dogs always raise them to be vicious?
It is how you raise them, right?
So why do pit bull owners always raise their pit bulls to be wigglebutts, but they raise their little dogs to be vicious and bite?
This blog is nothing more than mudslinging!!!!! It's a way for a cowardly bully to slander someone they don't like!!! Bunch of nimby's!!! Tia not only saves pit bulls from running the streets but helps parolees ease back into the community!!!! I am the proud owner of 2 awesome pit bulls who are the sweetest dogs in the world!!!!! and as for Tia's daughters, what kind of stalker spends all that time to try to make them look bad? Really people ! We preach tolerance for people of other taxes and religions and sexual orientations so practice what you preach people!!!!!!
You must have me confused with one of your neighbors, but, I assure you I don't live in a double wide.
Quote, "You are also a liar, and you write and sound as though you just walked out of a double wide trailer.
Which is of course what you did.
You can't hide trash!"
I'm just glad that "drex" wasted his(?) whole day on commenting and sharing his favorite links rather than having an actual impact on society.
- A
re: police dogs, just about any breed of dog can sniff drugs & bombs. but when it comes to K9 officers, dogs used to track and capture suspects (like aren marcus jackson) the police need a dog that they can trust will let go when they need it to.
enough said
Lets face it, there are bad dogs of all breeds. Is banning a breed the answer? No. Education of all including rescues who insist on keeping dogs who are a risk alive and shouldn't. I personally don't care if a dog is court ordered to a refuge, a life in a cage is not a good life for that poor dog.
Large scale rescues like Villalobos and Best Friends warehouse animals plain and simple. You know, HOARD....
Yes I have registered APBTs, show and do obedience, agility, weight pull and my kids used to do 4-H with them as well (before they all got too old to do 4-H). I also will take in a rescue every now and again. If a dog isn't 100% super then it doesn't stay here and yes I have put a few dogs down in the past for not being perfect in temperament.
How this whole Villalobos thing is going down is just plain WRONG and DISGUSTING. Anyone with common sense God gave a duck would have done the leg work before plunking down cash to buy a parcel not zoned or whatever for what they want. To do it this bassackwards way is just plain mind boggling. To publish on the Internet where all the whack jobs of the universe hang out the contact info of that poor woman is horrendous. All she was doing was trying to put the best interests of the neighborhood and association first. She has valid reasons for her concern aside from the breed of dog.
When I read the valley fever was positively on the old west ranch properties it made me sick. Who on earth would risk the lives of the dogs they claim to care for and their families by setting up a kennel in that area? The hard use on the top soils by the dog feet will kick up dust as will the golf carts, cars, people walking. Dog noses are close to the ground and the valley fever will go right up their noses and into their lungs. One way to thin the herd I guess...
For the Tia supporters, why don't you just step back and do some research of your own and if you got past first grade you will see 2+2 does not equal 4 in this case.
"It is really sad to see how educated people can act so childish and immature. With a few sharp tongued words and a twist or two on top of carefully placed images of people being human (like non of YOU ever flipped the camera off) and you can make even a baby sound evil."
The point is not that the legal owner of that property flipped someone off or dropped an f bomb. The point is that her judgment is so poor that she chose to publicly portray herself doing that. She is making a statement. And that is who her neighbors will have legally have to deal with if need be. It is important for her neighbors to know that.
Only one person has acknowledged that Tia miserably misrepresented the president of the POA.
That was despicable. She did that to incite all you sheeple. And it was incredibly effective.
They complain saying we wouldn't welcome Tia into our neighborhoods. But they are wrong I would gladly welcome Tia and her rescue into the neighborhood that I now live in and the neighborhood that I lived in before I joined the Marine Corps. People misjudged these dogs just like they misjudge Marines. If one Marine messes up then whats on the front page of the paper or on the evening news. A Marine did this, not this dude. Just like pitbulls. If a regular dog attacks a person then the news just says a dog attack. But if its a pitbull then they have that splashed all over the news. Its unfair to these dogs. They didn't ask to be used for fighting, PEOPLE chose that life for them. And if there is a place that can let them be DOGS then good on them.
I mean good Lord I can name a half dozen dogs that were original breed to fight, but you don't see them be persecuted all over the news. People are ignorant, they only want to believe whats in their head not whats written in black and white.
And yes all these people all over the nation are backing Tia because we believe in her cause. Tia keep up the good fight, and I want you to know you have Marines over here on the other side of the country who have your back.
"This blog is nothing more than mudslinging!!!!! It's a way for a cowardly bully to slander someone they don't like!!!"
and STILL not a single tia fan can address the content of this blog.
i REPEAT, this blog would not exist had it not been for the attack on merle carnes and tia calling out the national goon squad to descend on a small california town and sway the county's vote. it doesn't matter to me if villalobos stays, moves or expands. what matters to me is how these BULLIES turn the tables on normal everyday people like merles carnes and make them into the bad guy and how bullies organize outsiders to intimidate communities.
THOSE are the issues pit people.
i want to thank all of tia's loyal supporters for showing the kern county council why the march 10th meeting must be closed to NON-residents. your emotional pleas and intimidating presence will reduce the meeting to a fucking circus, which is exactly what tia wants. the only way the pit nutters can ever sway city and county governments is by overwhelming them with this bullshit and intimidating the locals to stay in their seats. now you have given them a sneak preview of what's to come.
but please, carry on.
who acknowledged the misrepresentation of merle? i missed it.
Lets talk statistics that are real if you want to wildly throw out facts that are not.
Child Victims:
Labrador mix 495
Boxer 34
Doberman 42
Pit bull/Weimaraner mix 231
Sharpei/Rottweiler 1142
Saint Bernard 65
http://www.dog-obedience-training-online.com/dog-bite-statistics-by-breed.html
SO do we condemn all of these breeds for their actions that we know nothing about. Or do we condemn the act and/or actions of the irresponsible dog owners. It doesn't take a think tank to figure that out.
Most people Have never heard of Sergeant Stubby, yet he is the most decorated dog in military history. Sergeant Stubby was a Pit Bull Mix who fought in the trenches of France during WWI for 18 months. During the 17 battles that this little Pit Bull fought in he warned his fellow solders of gas attacks, located wounded solders out on the battle field and listened for incoming artillery rounds. Sergeant Stubby was even responsible for capturing a German spy at Argonne who was mapping the layout of Allied trenches.
Ok Blogger of Craven Desires. .... you've had your .02 input and less of fame. Try posting something that people can learn from instead of your hateful commentary. Why do you hate so much? Really?
"Why do you think some people are soooo successful in using them in fighting rings? It's because of their dedication and desire to please their master."
Bupppph! Utter bull shit! They're bred to kill. The only thing uglier is the people that own them.
http://cravendesires.blogspot.com/2009/08/famous-pit-bulls-stubby-edition.html
when it comes to stubby, most of the nutter talking points are grossly exaggerated.
christ allmighty im sorry i said anything now!!
why do i hate so much? well for starters this campaign against merle. sadly, this is not isolated incident.
"Most people Have never heard of Sergeant Stubby, yet he is the most decorated dog in military history."
Bull shit. Educate yourself.
Anon 5:42 PM
You do not most of those lab mixes are infused with pit on their side right?
If purebred labs are causing less attacks, it is surely the pit side of a lab mix that is causing it. After all I've not heard of hundreds of labordoodles or laborspaniels mauling people have you?
common sense, learn to use it.
And also provide facts for your claims.
I for one, have two, WITH images...
http://pitbullvictims.blogspot.com/
http://otherbreedvictims.blogspot.com/
I hope someone actually gives you the chance to speak to more than just those that read this blog. I have learned that the greatest thing that can happen to people who hate so much is to let the public hear them. Just ask the klan back in the early 90's when they were on every talk show on the air. The more they spoke the less they were heard. So please keep talking,and soon no one will hear you. On a side note I find it funny that your followers push for the destruction of a breed of dog, group their keepers as a kind of trash, and at the bottom of your page is a symbol of a group that attempted the same thing with humans. Worked out well for them didn't it, hope the same for you and yours......
don Anon 5:42 PMo.
I would also like to mention that unlike DBO, Craven Desires, and Pit Bull Victims. That website doesn't provide images, or factual names or places that prove those statistical assertions. So whatever point you've tried to make is invalid.
Did I also mention that many pit nutters will label their dog a boxer or lab mix? Just go to this link and see!
http://pitbullchatter.blogspot.com/search/label/pit%20mix
"Try posting something that people can learn from instead of your hateful commentary."
How stupid are you, "Nip?" There's a whole blog here with years worth of posts with information to help you out of your stuck-on-stupid predicament. "Try posting something?" Jesus, what a fucktard.
Anon 5:42 PM
If a bunch of "dog experts" can't tell when a dog is an obvious pit bull. How am I to believe a site that might be very well run by pit bull grifters?
Although I'm sure you've failed to think this through.
Anon 5:59 PM
Obviously your comprehension of things like irony and satire are lost on your kind. The reason that Craven has the nazi symbol and other derogatory things on his blog is because YOUR SOCIETY has agendas and propaganda similar to the Nazis.
Much like the Nazi clan you try and silence anyone who opposes your views and you do nothing to better human society. You do not raise funds for those victimized by your walking freaks and you scam the few honest people out of their money.
Maybe you should take a look in the mirror.
"Labrador mix 495
Boxer 34
Doberman 42
Pit bull/Weimaraner mix 231
Sharpei/Rottweiler 1142
Saint Bernard 65
"
The link you posted is saying completely different. It is saying that Pit bulls are, to no shock, number #1. Which means, you purposely skewed statistics just to make the pit bull look good. Fact still remains, pit bulls are STILL number #1.
Sargent Stubby, was indeed, no pit bull or even a pit bull mix. He was most likely a Boston Terrier or Boston Terrier mix. Judging by the old time photos of pit bulls from the early 20th century, Stubby looked absolutely nothing like a pit bull.
"Why do you think some people are soooo successful in using them in fighting rings? It's because of their dedication and desire to please their master."
Complete and utter nonsense as usual. They fight because THEY LOVE IT. It has absolutely nothing to do with dedication or any other bull crap. When these dogs break loose and kill other peoples dogs and pets, are they doing it because they love their owners, or are they doing it because it has been genetically bred into them to the point where they enjoy it ? This breed is most likely to instigate a fight as well. Most owners who have had this happen are completely shocked when their sweet and loveable pit bull gets out and kills another dog or someones pet, so that theory automatically goes down the toliet.
Anon 5:14 PM
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Today was my day off of work. And I gladly spent the rest of my spare time spending time with family. Playing with my corgi, and then going out for a few bears. :)
Sad that you think spending two hours of my 24 hour day was waste of time.
Basic math and observation will do you some good. Obviously someone can't use those two simple concepts.
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To: Michelle Leigh
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Any dog can be made ferocious is a load of crock. I've adopted three dogs that were beaten and abused and none of the mare ferocious. Dogs are genetically prone that way, very few of them are made to be in such a condition.
Many of these pit bulls come from homes where they were well cared or and they STILL mauled the children or owners in that household. For you to even insinuate that most pit bull attacks from people who neglected or abused their dog is highly ignorant of you and really shows how gullible you are.
There are basic regulations for most other breeds because that is enough to keep many of them from being put into negative situations. Pit bulls need more than that. They need regulations where they're placed in homes with more experienced owners and stronger containment. If you cannot abide by these rules, you've no business owning a pit bull. Muzzling pits, leashing pits, and providing thick collars for pits are just some basic things people can do in public to keep their animal from mauling another human or dog as they pass by.
They're not the brightest dog from what I've seen. I've seen and heard more tales of this animal doing some pretty stupid things most other canines will not participate in. Bright my foot, want a canine that's highly intelligent? Get a collie or poodle.
No on is trying to silence you, if you could read I said I wish you could speak to the public, and you are the only ones speaking of killing a entire breed while showing a nazi symbol. The problem is you know that you will fail and it makes you mad because there is nothing you can do about it but whine and cry about it. The breed will be here long after you are all dust.......
Seriously? This blog is one of the most hateful, despicable and vile examples of B.S that I have ever seen. It is people like you, Creepy Craven, and your ignorant followers, that are the scary ones in this life. They have the nerve to say that Tia, her friends, family and employees are terrorists??? Really?? Just read those posts! The hate, the bigotry and the ignorance is beyond unbelievable. And as is almost always the case, these uneducated, ignorant and bigoted people are also HUGE cowards. "Anonymous" posts.....love that! These scum sucking bottom feeders are sickening.....Grow some balls you cowardly excuses for humans!
Anon 59 said:
"I hope someone actually gives you the chance to speak to more than just those that read this blog. I have learned that the greatest thing that can happen to people who hate so much is to let the public hear them. Just ask the klan back in the early 90's when they were on every talk show on the air. The more they spoke the less they were heard. So please keep talking,and soon no one will hear you."
Oh, the irony. Keep it coming nutters, please drop the f bombs and keep the hate speech and the name calling coming.
Remember Craven Desires said, "Kern county, here I come!"
"Corporal of Marines said..."
STFU Corporal.
FYI: http://www.stripes.com/news/marines-tighten-leash-on-pit-bull-policy-1.95352
semper fi
You people need help! AJ served his time and the 3 strike rule should not have been used now. Also. there is NO conspiracy going on.. Tia and her family are doing a good thing for these dogs, and are giving jobs to parolees that as you have proven, no one else will trust.. THAT is NOT a bad thing.. The dogs and the parolees both deserve a chance at a better life, and Tia is doing what she can to help them..
Stop making it sound like she and her family are dangerous, and the ranch association is angelic.. Sound like a lynch mob to me.. All things should be jusdged as innocent until proven guilty...
BAN THE DEED, NOT THE BREED!
I am a college graduate. I have a full-time job and I am a parent. We have a pit bull-mix who has never made one move to attack anyone in our family. It is unfortunate that ignorance is required to patronize this site. Please listen to yourselves and your hatred. I agree that dog fighting is abhorrent, yet many adults continue to cheer on "their team" quarterbacked by a dog killer. I'll keep my own values: look into information and form your own opinion, don't just regurgitate what has been spewed in your direction.
i love how some of ur rule sr that we have to substantiate our claims or u wont publish our comments, maybe u should read some of ur own, u make me sick, its so easy to get on the bandwagon about how horrible pitbulls are, maybe u should come up with ur own ideas, and for the record, MOST of tia's dogs r not aggressive, they r rescues, and owner turn ins, and they turn their dogs in because people like u wont allow them in some apartments or rentals, i really think u should get ur facts straight, maybe educate urself alittle more instead of spewing verbal garbage out of ur mouth, i am a convicted felon, and i love how u refer to "us" in such a negitive way, i successfully complete probation, and involved in big brother big sisters, help feed the homeless at my church, and am a very productive member of society, oh and i also have 4 pitsbulls, like i said maybe u should get all the facts
I never used the f word, used hate speech, or name calling. It's your site your symbols and you that hate. I have no hatred for you on a personal level, your just wrong and time will show this to be the truth. Years from now you will still be hating but by then no one will be listening. Kind of makes me feel sorry for you..
Craven, Anon 12:33 acknowledged it, kind of:
Third, the pit bull "nutters" (as you call them) said that stuff about Merle Carnes before they knew anything about her, other than the fact that she doesn't want Villalobos in Tehachapi, after they read a letter written by her. They shouldn't have judged her before they knew about her. She sounds like a very nice woman who is extremely concerned about her community.
One person acknowledged that after reading the blog post, she thought that Merle was a nice person.
Ah, I see the Michelle Leigh character is here. She accused me of cyber-stalking her because we both posted on the same two pit bull-related articles at huffington post. Well Michelle, I've posted at craven's blog well before you, I guess I need a restraining order.
So some pit bull forum or such connected to Tia got wind of this and sent out a call to their army of idiots.
You can't actually debate with these pit nutters. Heck, you can't even read their posts because they are so incredibly long, make no points, ramble, do not use paragraphs, etc. These people are obviously mental midgets.
The reason you cannot debate most pit nutters (and all that are posting here now) is because they do not understand critical thinking. I think most people here would actually enjoy an intelligent and vigorous debate with someone that differs in opinion. However, for it to be fruitful, both sides must know how to make and recognize an argument and concede a point if they are logically incorrect. Trying to debate with a pit nutter is like trying to play chess with a flock of pigeons. They'll flap around and shit on the board and claim they've won because of how high their feces has piled up. I have nothing but disdain for these pigeons.
I can't believe the ignorant rants and same old talking points by the pit bull advocates. Ridiculous!
Not only does BSL spare people and pets from pit bull attacks, but it is the BEST THING THAT CAN HAPPEN FOR PIT BULLS!
As for Tehachapi, LET TEHACHAPI DECIDE what they want for their community!!! It shouldn’t be up to rabid, fascist pit bull advocates to ram this down anyone’s throat, and that is the crux of the matter. If you love a freak show of pit bulls and parolees, bring them to your neighborhood. Don’t force your garbage on somebody else.
"We have a pit bull-mix who has never made one move to attack anyone in our family."
How is this different from anything Siegfried & Roy have said? Maybe you should get a tiger. Afterall, it's all in how they're raised.
Please post this?
I have taken the time to read many of these responses and I have a few small things to say1st, why does everyone need to refer to these people by these crude names. I understand you would really prefer them to not come into your community, but can you say so like adults. 2nd, if things were so bad at the rescue center dont you think that gonverment would have shut it down by now. they have been cracking down alot more and more on many law offenses. 3rd, if the rescue center is as bad as everyone has been saying, then why is it that they are still able to do adoptions, run the shelter and let alone allow parolees to work there.
If you choose to denie posting this, then i will assume that the person who approves and disaproves the comments wants nothing but the comment against the rescue on here and honestly i feel all sides should be allowed to be heard.
and i dont care if people know who i am, my name is sara klingenberger!
I wanted to repost this because I think it is important for people to read stories written by real victims. I've added some more details because I think a lot of people need to read them.
I was an upper middle-class pit bull owner just like you. My husband is a doctor, I am a stay-at-home soccer mom, we live in a lovely suburban neighbourhood. We got our dog as a puppy from a reputable breeder and put her through puppy classes and basic obedience. She was spayed and properly vaccinated, stayed indoors and was very loved. I used to defend the breed to everyone I met, just like you. I used to think I knew my dog inside and out, and I was sure she would never, ever hurt my child.
Then my dog turned 3 and, literally overnight, her dog-aggression came out. She tried to attack the neighbour's poodle through the backyard fence (she had been in a fenced yard beside this same dog literally thousands of times with no show of aggression). When my 8 year old daughter tried to pull her away from the fence, our pit bull locked onto her forearm (she only got her forearm because my daughter threw it up to protect her face, she was going for the face) and it took 8 minutes for my husband to beat her off, he eventually wound up using the weed whacker, after a baseball bat broke over the dog's back without even being noticed by her. My daughter, who weighed around 55 lbs at the time, was being pulled back and forth as the dog shook while clamped on her arm. I can still hear her screaming - she alternated between high-pitched, blood curdling screams and "mommy, help me, Lizzie is killing me" and "why is she hurting me Mommy, ask her to let go" and "please Lizzie, please Lizzie, please let go of me". She did not stop screaming and begging her "sweet pet" for mercy for the entirety of the 8 minutes the dog had her by the arm, mercilessly shaking and biting and chewing on the arm of the child that had fed and loved and petted and hugged and kissed her for the previous three years. The arm she destroyed was the arm that was draped over her in bed every night since she was a 9 week-old puppy.
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My daughter lost partial use of her right arm and she is still relearning all of the basic skills with her left. The radius and ulna were both shattered and there was significant nerve and tendon damage. She lost all tissue on the lateral aspect of the central portion of her arm. She underwent 4 surgeries to get to the point where she is now, and she will require at least 4 more. Her life will never be the same.
We have been accused of being at fault for not "being there to call off the dog". Well, we were there, we were sitting on patio chairs not ten feet from where this incident occurred watching my daughter throw a ball for our pet, who she had spent three years playing with and which had never shown so much as a lip lift to anyone or anything up to that point. We couldn't, physically, call off the dog. We couldn't physically BEAT off the dog for over 5 minutes. After the dog was off my daughter, my husband was on the ground struggling with it to keep it from going at her again as I pulled her into the house. There was so much blood that I kept sliding on it and falling down. There are still blood stains on the patio almost 2 years later. All the dog wanted was to get back on my daughter and finish the job. The dog didn't make any noise while she was attacking and her tail was wagging faster and harder than it had ever wagged before. I believed then, and I believe now, that that dog was the happiest it had ever been when it was locked onto my daughter and trying to kill her.
Let me tell you, you have no idea - none - how completely different pit bulls are from normal pet dogs. When that dog was triggered she went from being a goofy pet and companion to being a cold-blooded predator in a millisecond. You cannot imagine what it is like knowing that your dog is trying to kill your child and knowing that it might just succeed because it is stronger than you are. There is nothing like it in the world.
There was no news coverage of my dog's attack on my daughter. None. So much for the overhyped media aspect, hush?
You are insane to own a fighting dog when you have children. Absolutely insane. I wish we had been protected from our own stupidity by legislation. What is worse is that you are also, by your own admission of a picket fence the dog could easily escape over, putting other people's children at risk. Fighting dogs are not pets and we need laws in place to protect people from them
wow you guys need to grow up and stop being so ignorant your peoples bs comments are ridiculous and Pit bulls and these people that care for them are cmon read your posts before you post them your making yourselves look like idiots
To Drex
"So the point is virtually mute."
In "the king's english" (The King's English) the point would be virtually moot.
LOL! Who's the tard that tried saying I breed pittbulls? LOL! As of right now I don't have a dog but a friend does and she does alot of the same work rescuing them and training them. People soo need to grow up and get their facts straight. But thanks for the good laugh!!!!
@DubV
Tia posted the blog on the Villalobos rescue facebook page presumably with the sole intent of siccing her minions on the Craven blog. That's why they're here.
You probably won't be able to find them, but Craven has said repeatedly, keep it coming because the comments are going to be sent to Kern county as an illustration of why they should close the hearing to non-residents, but they can't stop themselves from digging a deeper and deeper hole.
Notice the overabundant use of "ignorant" and "you need to educate yourself" by pit nutters here. Language like this usually indicates you are dealing with a complete moron.
I find it rather amusing how people verbally attack one because they don't like that said person knows more then you. I get a huge laugh from peoples stupidity and all talk.
I am sure the breed will be around for awhile, nobody denied that, but for nutters and advocates to sit around on their behinds and pretend that there is absolutely nothing wrong with the breed except owners is absolutely delusional, and only proves people's point's about pit bulls and their owners in general.
We have heard the tired "my pit bull" stories. They are highly irrelevant and prove absolutely no point as to what were talking about. Ok, fine your pit bull never hurt anybody, therefore what, no pit bull ever hurt anybody ? Everytime I read a pit bull attack story, there owners always say that they never saw it coming or that they don't know what happened or what they did wrong. These stories are far too often to be dismissed or excused anymore.
Advocates and nutters have used every excuse in the book. Those excuses have run out and people are tired of hearing them.
"It's not the dogs, its the owners !"
"The child provoked the dog !"
" The dog was startled and thats why he attacked"
"The dog was abused/beaten/mistreated"
"The dog was trained to attack"
"It wasn't a pit bull, it was this, that or the other"
"He was afraid and protecting his turf"
"He was simply pleasing his master/owner"
"It's all how they are raised !"
"The ATTS statistics clearly prove..."
"The media either lies/exaggerates/or the story is completely fictional"
"The media is out to get pit bulls"
" The CDC is a bunch liars"
" My pit bull, my pit bull, my pit bull !"
And that lists isn't the full lists of excuses that you use. You come up with every thought or excuse in your mind, just to let the pit bull off the hook everytime an attack occurs. You put so much effort into defending these dogs, that the only thing that will get you to snap out of it is to personally be attacked by one or attacked by your own.
As far as Tehachapi goes, that's their call. It's there decision, and for them to bully or use advocates and nutters to bully them into a decision, only puts them back further and further.
Thanks anon 7:04 for the heads up. That is very clever Craven. Of course, the pit nutters will continue to try and set the record straight here. They do not have the meta-cognitive ability to evaluate their own thinking process or how they are perceived, so they probably think the higher ups in Kern County will be impressed by what was written by them here.
Anon 6:51
thank you for posting your experience and my best wished go to your daughter, you, and your family.
And I'm very sorry people blamed you.
Even if you don't get any positive responses, someone might see it and think, and a child might be saved from disaster.
Why is it that ppl have said so many bad things and searched things online, when honestly there are alot of things online that cannot be believed anymore. there are alot more dog attacks than are put in the paper or anywhere else, because they are not reported or are not a breed that everyone claims is aggressive. If u were to look up what the most aggressive breed of dog is, ull actually find that labrador is at the top of the list. and if pitbulls are such terrible dogs then why did the gonverment just pay for a military man to bring a STRAY PITBULL from over in iraq back to the US?
Do what you can to keep these creeps out. I support you! Tia is a spoiled rich kid that has never heard the word no. I would not want this circus anywhere near me! I suggest that your county ban pit bulls. Mine did and there is no more problem.
"Anonymous said...
I find it rather amusing how people verbally attack one because they don't like that said person knows more then you. I get a huge laugh from peoples stupidity and all talk."
As I'm sure actual astronomers know little about the intricacies of the theories of cranks that still insist the Sun revolves around the Earth.
When pit nutters cry "educate yourself" what they really want is for others to read their B.S. misinformation.
How much does one need to know about the situation?
1. pit bulls were bred to fight other dogs
2. pit bulls maul/kill more people than any other breed
That's about all you need to know. The educate yourself thing nutters cry for is to: 1. read a few books about nice pit bulls, 2. be around some nice ones, 3. own one for a few years and not be killed, 4. read the BS breed history they spout that glosses over what the breed is actually for, 5. read some random quotes by Cesar Milan and a few vets, 6. join a pit bull forum or group and live in an echo chamber of idiot voices for a while to reinforces what you have learned in your "education", and 7. convince yourself that media bias/owner irresponsibility has a huge effect and so cancels out the evidence taped to the ends of our noses.
Most pit nutter appear to be incapable of truly being educated on any issue.
To Anon 6:51
I guess it makes you feel better to blame the dog rather than yourself and that's fine.
You couldn't call the dog off from attacking your daughter, but you COULD have stopped your daughter from grabbing at an aggressive dog.
If you're sitting "10 feet away" watching your daughter play ball with the dog and seeing the dog become aggressive with the dog next door, why would you allow her to try to corral it?
There's more to your story - if it is true - than you are letting on.
For all of you that continue to say just how uneducated pitbull owners are,they are here, and they will always be here. How does it feel to lose over and over again.
My name is Kate, I am NOT anonymous and I find it interesting that so many of you uneducated people hide behind the Anonymous title.
You want to insinuate that Tia belongs to or supports dog fighting, yet you do not site any reputable sources, or none at all.
As for restoring in image of the American Pit Bull Terror, I guess you missed that Helen Kellers dog was a pit bull, that the dog whisperer owns many pit bulls, and then there is the rescue dog X in CT, trained to find people trapped in the rubble of buildings. Lest we forget the pit bull that works as a drug sniffing dog at the California & Mexico border and actually saved his handlers life. Or how about the pit bull that alerted a 5 man team of soldiers in Afghanistan about an IED and thusly SAVED THEIR LIVES. Or maybe you forget that the APBT was originally called the nanny dog or old family dog, do you think that was because they killed or attacked the children or family? Or how about the fact that German Shepperd and Rotties have a higher bite force in PSI (Pounds per Square Inch) than a pit bull. There are more attacks from a Border Collie in the US each year than there are from pit bulls. GET EDUCATED PEOPLE!!
Know your dog,
You are despicable. Pretending to know "there's more to the story" and blaming people to protect a dog you don't even know is obscene.
Pit nutters take on anyone with negative experiences: Anyone who has a negative experience with the breed is either a liar, exaggerator or fictional story teller.. Yet, if it were someone telling a story about how a pit bull saved their lives, they would be preaching it like it was the gospel and would not question the credibility of the story for 15 seconds.. How very "two sided" ..
"Anonymous said...
For all of you that continue to say just how uneducated pitbull owners are,they are here, and they will always be here. How does it feel to lose over and over again."
The statement above makes no sense. You could say the same of e. coli, no?
It's really sad how you post a picture at the bottom of your blog like you have. You desicrate the memory of countless Jewish people by somehow trying to tie a breed of dog in with Nazis. Wow, you know the Nazis used hate propaganda too.
@Know Your Dog:
That might be all well and true but who expects their well trained and loved dog to do that? Not only that, the whole scenario probably took place within seconds.
We had a an Alaskan Malamute when I was a kid. Once when I was 12 years old and out walking the her she got into it with another dog. Without thinking I got in the middle of it and my own dog redirected a bite to my arm. Know what happened?
The dog bit me, saw that it was me, and immediately let go. Sure, I had a few puncture wounds but nothing serious. No broken bones or mangled flesh and Malamutes are large, powerful dogs.
For most dog owners that is a typical "worst case scenario" when their pet bites them. They don't envision surgery and being maimed for life.
Kate, you must have accidently hidden your profile, so now you are anonymous.
what's your full name address and phone number?
Here's your education on Helen Keller
http://cravendesires.blogspot.com/2010/04/famous-pit-bulls-helen-keller-edition.html
And its hilarious that you think the term "Old Family Dog" means they were good with families. That was an irish line of the most famous vicous fighting dogs from Ireland.
Here's your education on the Nanny dog
http://thetruthaboutpitbulls.blogspot.com/2010/08/nanny-dog-myth-revealed.html
most of you people truly have your heads up your pitdogs asses. thats what i call tunnel vision
"Know Your Dog said...
To Anon 6:51
I guess it makes you feel better to blame the dog rather than yourself and that's fine.
You couldn't call the dog off from attacking your daughter, but you COULD have stopped your daughter from grabbing at an aggressive dog.
If you're sitting "10 feet away" watching your daughter play ball with the dog and seeing the dog become aggressive with the dog next door, why would you allow her to try to corral it?
There's more to your story - if it is true - than you are letting on. "
This statement is emblematic of why non-pit bull owners and people who are not part of the animal rescue fringe that likely sleeps inside energy pyramids, generally can't stand you people.
A child is playing with the family dog that then snaps, and you blame the victim. I can scream in your face that you are an idiot all day, but you are too stupid to realize that I am correct. You pit idiots are obsessed with "fault" and "blame" and this totally lets on how you anthropomorphize pets and do not have a shred of clear thinking ability. I believe in the case you are commenting on, the most proximate cause of the mauling was the pit bull's teeth. So, let's get rid of the emotionally charged words. Are you saying the dog had no part in this and it was caused by the parents because they did not have Kreskin-like premonition and lightning like reflexes that would enable them to preempt the attack?
Listen pit nutters, nearly all of you have been dead average or below average on everything in your life that requires any thinking ability. This is obvious from everything I have ever experienced in regards to your subculture. It is a relatively homogeneous group of functionally retarded people. Why do you think you are so right on this issue and can even judge a semi-complex argument? It's only because you love a pit bull, that's all.
Sheldon said, "You desicrate the memory of countless Jewish people by somehow trying to tie a breed of dog in with Nazis."
Bwaaaaaa-hahahaha! You're pointing the wrong way!
It's the Skinheads that tie pit bulls to Nazis. Racist logo right here pal... http://www.adl.org/hate_symbols/skin_pitbull.asp
Nice try, dope.
SHELDON
"Wow, you know the Nazis used hate propaganda too."
That's the point, sunshine. Look above you at the hateful nutter who presumes to know better than the mother of a victim of a pit bull mauling what happened at the mauling. And then proceeds to blame the mother and protect a totally unknown dog.
That is hate propaganda. It is part of a machine. It is rote hate spewed out anyone says, my well-behaved pit mauled to shut people down.
SHELDON
"Wow, you know the Nazis used hate propaganda too."
That's the point, sunshine. Look above you at the hateful nutter who presumes to know better than the mother of a victim of a pit bull mauling what happened at the mauling. And then proceeds to blame the mother and protect a totally unknown dog.
That is hate propaganda. It is part of a machine. It is rote hate spewed out anyone says, my well-behaved pit mauled to shut people down.
I suggest some of the nutters should click on "justice mule" and pop some popcorn.
To Sarah R. Martin
I appreciate your post! Drex is obviously confused and ill-informed. You can tell by his blatant attacks on others. He feels the need to resort to such tactics as belittling others and name-calling. It's a shame. Most "anti's" however feel the need to lower themselves to such a level. Take a look through the comments and see which ones are astoundingly profane. I can tell you it's not Tia's or Pit bull supporters cursing and name-calling. Where's the couth? But we "nuts" are accused of being criminals, thugs, robots, and/or lacking intelligence? I also commend you for your voice! If it weren't for people like us this breed would be extinct, and that would be a sad day!
It is very simple...
Go to city counsel and ban pit bulls!
We did it in our city! Now we can walk our dogs without fear of an attack from pit bulls!
Easy breezy!
To "Know Your Dog" - THE ATTACK BY OUR PIT BULL ON OUR DAUGHTER WAS THE FIRST INSTANCE OF AGGRESSION BY THAT DOG - TO A HUMAN OR ANIMAL - EVER. We had absolutely no idea that the dog would start barking and growling at the dog next door because she never had before. Our daughter was beside the dog and instinctively reached for her collar to pull her from the fence and the dog attacked - the scenario unfolded in 1 or 2 seconds and we didn't have time to react. People never do.
Unsuspecting families are fooled into adopting fighting breeds as pets because they are constantly fed the garbage about it being "the owner, not the breed" and the dogs, without provocation or prior bad acts, suddenly attack. There is often no warning and there is often no way to easily get the dog off the victim. The idea that your presence is all that is required to prevent a pit bull from attacking or killing your child is a sick, sick joke. If both my husband and myself hadn't been there that day the dog would have killed our child in front of the one that was present. When my husband had to go to the shed to get the Weed Whacker (the heaviest thing we had) I put my legs on either side of my daughter's mangled, near-amputated, bloody arm and shielded her tortured little body from the dog. If I hadn't been there to do that the dog would have let go of her arm and relatched onto her throat or face, as it was bred to do. One of us alone could simply not have saved her.
These kind of attacks happen much more frequently than we hear of because they are simply not considered media-worthy. My daughter wasn't killed and the dog was owned by us. No one cared to hear our story. I believe there are hundreds, perhaps even thousands, of stories like ours that do not get told every single year. Again, owning a dog that was bred to attack without warning and without provocation and to continue that attack until its victim was dead is insane. When you have children, it should be criminal. We found out the hardest way, I hope that we can prevent someone else from the same.
Cat said...
"Do what you can to keep these creeps out. I support you! Tia is a spoiled rich kid that has never heard the word no. I would not want this circus anywhere near me! I suggest that your county ban pit bulls. Mine did and there is no more problem."
You are truly heartless! I'm sure you probably paid a fee to get a front seat ticket to witness the mass executions of these poor dogs! Do you have a pet? How would you like to have your family member ripped from your home and executed?
Over my dead cold body would that happen to me!
Most of us aren't looking for all pits to be rounded up out of homes and killed; but it would be just fine by me for them to be spayed and neutered into rarity instead of glutting every urban shelter and being adopted out to anyone and everyone.
@Anon 7:58
"A child is playing with the family dog that then snaps"
According to the mother's 'story', the dog did not just "snap" and attack the child.
The dog went to the neighbor's fence and became aggressive with the neighbor's dog.
The child then went to pull the dog away from the fence and was subsequently attacked.
There is a difference between the dog suddenly snapping and attacking the child and what was said to have happened.
If I see my child going after the dog when it's aggressive then I stop the child FIRST, then deal with the dog.
To Jake
"So how do you explain her vicious and mean spirited attack on Merle Carnes and her Tehachapi neighbors?"
What attack do you speak of? She is laughing at this non-sense. You do realize that don't you? Where is Tia on here? Where has she posted anything of similar fashion to this blog about Merle or her neighbors? This entire blog is dedicated to portraying Merle as a saint and those who run VRC as villains. To sink to a level as to pull photos and facebook comments shows how desperate you "anti's" are, and also of how low you will sink!
know your dog: you're just the type to have a incident with your pitbull because you know it all and you have an answer for everything.
the pit bull snapped - suddenly became dog aggressive when it never was before with a dog it knew well in a situation it knew well.
Your response is knee-jerk maul talk to protect this breed of dog no matter what - no matter whether you know the dog, the situation, the people - no matter what.
If someone claims they have a well-behaved pit bull that snaps - trot out the rote hate propaganda - and defend that breed! Pit Heil!
definition of tunnel vision: having your head up your pitbulls ass!
DubV said...
"I suggest some of the nutters should click on "justice mule" and pop some popcorn"
That is disgusting! Can you tell me which one started the fight? Was it the mule or the dog? No? You didn't get all that off the video did you? can you even be for certain that that was a pit bull? It looked too small to be a pit bull. I'm certain you sicko's got off on it though! You enjoy watching a mule kill a dog? SMDH!
Michelle Leigh,
Can you read? Did you read the blog post? It outlines how Tia attacked this woman. It has sources, did you not see any of that? Have someone read it to you and maybe explain that to you if you can't pick that up yourself.
Anon 8:04 wrote: "That is disgusting! Can you tell me which one started the fight? Was it the mule or the dog? No? You didn't get all that off the video did you? can you even be for certain that that was a pit bull? It looked too small to be a pit bull. I'm certain you sicko's got off on it though! You enjoy watching a mule kill a dog? SMDH!"
Can you be sure who started the fight? This is why I continually call you people retarded. To be clear, I do not mean to insult mentally handicapped people by associating you with them. But there is no other word. If you watch the video, the mule is trying to get away and give little kicks and, like a true shit bull, the dog will not give up. Finally, the mule has no choice. I didn't get off on it, I found it a fitting ending for an idiot dog that messed with the wrong mule. The dog totally deserved what it got.
yea smdh, i did get off on it big time. i love it when the bully gets creamed, who wouldn't except well you people.
"Can you be sure who started the fight? This is why I continually call you people retarded."
If you can't figure out the pit attacked the mule, and if you can't see the pit go back after the mule, you have no business calling anybody retarded!
Pits attack equines all the time - unprovoked - as a matter of course for the breed. It's not a matter of getting off on it, it's a matter of seeing a totally different outcome than what we've seen again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again...
It's nice to see a mule win one for the equines!!!
The reason why some of us curse and treat pit nutters with utter disdain? I'll speak for myself. For someone with above average intelligence, you people come off as utter fools. Cranks and fools like you nutters are often harmless. But you idiots endanger the lives of others by spreading misinformation about fighting dogs using tactics and arguments that a high school age child would dismiss. That's why I can't stand all of you and would like to curse you to your faces.
Anon 8:04 wrote: "That is disgusting! Can you tell me which one started the fight? Was it the mule or the dog? No? You didn't get all that off the video did you? can you even be for certain that that was a pit bull? It looked too small to be a pit bull. I'm certain you sicko's got off on it though! You enjoy watching a mule kill a dog? SMDH!"
this is the first time that i have someone say that is not a pit bull, it's too small!
but seriously, you are the reason we have a pit bull problem. ever hear the word GAME? did you see that ugly fucker get stomped and keep coming back for more?
i fear there is no hope for you. PELASE go to
http://www.vrcpitbull.com/pitfaq.htm
scroll to the bottom and read the teachings of tia:
"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, as we most definitely have ours. All we ask of you, is to keep an open mind when learning about this breed and understand from beginning to end, what these dogs have endured throughout the years. Before acquiring one of these mighty dogs, please do as much research as possible and make your decision wisely. Serious Pit Bull owners would rather the “bleeding hearts” not take one of these dogs on merely for the fact that they might find that they’ve “bitten off more than they can chew”. As a rescue facility for this breed, that is the most common plea for help we get. Though we so much appreciate any and all assistance, at the same time, ask for help from those who know: “The Real Pit Bull” before your heart is too involved."
REPEAT
Serious Pit Bull owners would rather the “bleeding hearts” not take one of these dogs on merely for the fact that they might find that they’ve “bitten off more than they can chew”.
Anon 8:57, read the entire post where I first offer up that question
"can you be sure who started it?"
as a quote from another comment and then launch into them.
If you read the entire comment, you will see that we are on the same side here.
it is not disgusting, it is justice. much like the woman who paints her walls with the brains of a sexual predator breaking into home.
To: Michelle Leigh
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I am confused about nothing. :)
And if I recall, you were the one who started throwing out ad hominims. If you play dirty, then I play dirty. It's the rules of the game.
And it is not name calling if it is true. You're gullible. I am sure you're the same person who believe in the ATTS and the "nanny dog" myth and it is obvious you're gullible because if you do research on a fraction of the things you claim you would see that you've been horribly mislead. But that would mean you would have to use your mind and that appears to be something you're either unwilling or incapable of doing. In your case, I think it is a mixture of both.
The day this breed dies out humanely is the day I will rejoice. It has a poor future if you're the kind of "protectors" and "advocates" it has.
I would like you to read any and all the links I've provided to you and others and just TRY to refute them with factual written and documented proof. But you cannot, which is why you resort to your comfort of yelling at others and perceiving you're right.
Sad to see a human's mind go to waste.
My husband and I were just at Villalobos volunteering with the dogs. It was a fantastic day. We were there from 9 to 2 walking and hanging out with the dogs. One of the ones I took care of got adopted later that night by a family who drove out from Phoenix. The dog was part of the Katrina rescue. Best Friends in an amazing place. John Garcia has done wonderful things with the Vick dogs. Check out Victory 4 Cherry and Handsome Dan on Facebook. I have 5 rescue dogs. No pits only because my husband & I are not very active, so we rescue older dogs w/issues. We had the greatest dog ever. Olive an 82 lbs English Bulldog. Meaner than mean. Broken jaw, tongue that hung out to the side and only 1 tooth. She had been used as a breeder and dumped. We loved that dog more than life itself. Yes she was mean, yes she was over-protective of us and our house, but we adjusted to what she needed. So what if she couldn't go to the park or the beach? So what if we didn't have people over because it stressed her out too much? We didn't care. She has passed and now the meanest dog we have is a 14 yr old Chihauhua. My husband loves that stupid dog. He's bit me every day for the past 5 years. Our friends hate him and he's bit all of them too. The other 4 are amazing. Angus, the no-eyed English Bulldog, is a therapy dog. My point is, animals are what human turn them into. Can all fighting dogs be saved? I'd like to think so, but sometimes not. Tia and Best Friends have done fantastic things. Tia Torres will be the 1st one to tell you if a dog needs to be put down. I don't know Tia. I didn't even know about her until recently when I was helping a dog in Ireland and she was posted on FB. I've seen the show. I don't love reality shows, so I don't watch it regularly. All families have problems. I grew up and live in Newport Beach CA. Does that make me a rich brat - laughable now that I'm 42 - maybe I was. I definately was a rebel and caused my parents grief. Am I the same as I was? Of course not. People of all kinds drink & use drugs. Sad, but true. Does this make her kids any worse than anyone else? My family has a lot of adoptees and quasi-adoptees. Plus "step" people. Doesn't make them any less important to me. If you have something to say, fine. But use your real name. Don't post with Anonymous. Bottomline, I support Tia Torres' efforts. I love animals and anyone who is willing to do something instead of just post mean spirited "stuff" from behind a computer screen has more credability to me. Make fun, call my an old hag, no biggie to me. Get your facts straight. Some maybe correct, but most are flat out wrong. About Tia Torres and especially Best Friends. Sour grapes trying to get attention.
Reminds me of the pitiot that pleaded to people never to use violence on a pit bull that is killing your dog. What an idiot.
A fear is that I will have to become violent again to stop another pit bull attack and the owner will be around this time and try to stop me. That will be a bigger deal.
Better keep your shit bulls inside. Past victims are often now armed to the teeth, and not likely to be caught by surprise next time.
that yap,yap,yap thing was just me being snarky. pitters love it when a yapper gets chomped,secretly anyway
"Anon 8:57, read the entire post where I first offer up that question "
Ooops... meant to quote the original author - not you. It ain't easy scrolling through this many pit advocate morons :-)
"Listen pit nutters, nearly all of you have been dead average or below average on everything in your life that requires any thinking ability. This is obvious from everything I have ever experienced in regards to your subculture. It is a relatively homogeneous group of functionally retarded people. Why do you think you are so right on this issue and can even judge a semi-complex argument? It's only because you love a pit bull, that's all."
More stereotypes and assumptions... isn't that lovely? Sounds like a lot of conjecture to me! Do you feel better after that little rant? Does it make you feel more secure to bad-mouth me and other pit-bull owners like me that are upper-class American citizens? All too amusing... the effort you people put into trying to provoke a nasty side of PB owners. Does it make you mad that we aren't on here name-calling and bad-mouthing in return? Can't help but laugh! Hilarius how you frown upon and look down at those who own a Pit or support them. I'm a a so-called "pit nutter" and I have more class than the likes of you. I've also been above average in every endeavor.
robynglen,
You are a perfect example of a misguided rescue angel. You actually kept mean dogs and ones that bit your friends and arranged your life so people wouldn't come over? That's idiotic, sorry. Incredibly kind dogs are killed continually throughout the day. Spend your time, energy, and money on one of them. Let the mean bastards get put to sleep first, let the better ones live.
You guys are getting a new asshole ripped on facebook. Your gonna want to buy stock in depends. HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA LOL
Drax the breed will be here long after we are not. Sleep on that and good luck with all this. Atleast you guys are getting better at losing, and you can say all the negative things you want about pitbull owners, but we both know deep down inside you know you will never win. BOO HOO !!!!!!
Michelle, you seriously have not seen nutters on here dropping f bombs, name calling and speaking hatefully to people who have been attacked?
How do those selective blinders work?
Michelle Leigh, by your own admission you are a house wife that is upper class. So, you bagged a rich guy. Congratulations and who cares. You are a kept woman. Your continual reference to being upper class is telling. It is obvious from your writing and arguments that you are a relatively dull bulb. People much smarter than you can view the range of intelligences more accurately than you can and can usually approximately peg someone very quickly. For instance, the chance of you getting over a 1300 (old scoring method) on your SAT is approximately 0%. You are likely suffering from the dunning-kruger effect, which shows that incompetent people consistently overestimate their own abilities.
Oh no! We are getting ripped on facebook by pit idiots. Clutch the pearls!
Know Your Dog:
As most everyone else here has said, you're a real piece of work. You and those like you shouldn't be surprised that normal decent folk are repulsed by your kind and your dogs -- when a pit bull suddenly redirects its aggression, you blame the parents and the child. A *child*. There's something broken in your head, seriously.
Anon 6:51, sorry you have go through the experience of being blamed by these human monsters again because they refuse to accept the fact that pit bulls can be dangerous.
- Anonymouse
ive given up trying to reason with pitidiots with ass/tunnel vision, so i guess all im left with is a few snarky comments. sorry if it gets tedious but there it is.
"Drax the breed will be here long after we are not."
This is especially true if pit bulls have their way and eat us.
What's interesting is that pit bulls are the one breed that could not survive in dog utopia (meat hanging from every tree, 70 degrees F all year, clean water and hay at every bend). They would die out without continual human intervention. Other dogs do not have intraspecies aggression like pits, it is entirely abnormal. So, without humans to crate-and-rotate them and man their breeding racks, the pit bull breed would self-exterminate under even ideal conditions without you nutters to help them along.
Anon:33, Tia has wildlife without permits. That is a fact, ask any wildlife rescuer in LA and they will tell you. I believe her tigers have died. If you look on her 990 taxes you will see a large amount of money goes for "big cat" food. So even she admits to having big cats and you can bet she has other things, such as bears, wolves, coyotes. And she isn't legal to have them.
Michelle,
Does it make you mad that we aren't on here name-calling and bad-mouthing in return?
Sweetie, look around you.
one thing i see is there seems be a gender component operating here in all this pitbull lunacy. especially in pit rescue its mostly yukno dingbats doing their do gooder thing. just like the murderer in jail is for sure to have some skank on the outside thinking hes wonderfull. cant really figure it but its there all right.
Hahahaha! Over 335 comments and still going!
That’s the power of cult leadership and dedicated pit disciples – the true believers of Tia 'I-wanted-to-run-a-whore-house-but-now-I’m-a-desperate-cult-leader' Torres.
What would the world be without pit whores and freak shows?
Thank you for both of these Tia!
Stay stupid, pitiots! The cult needs you! (And your money.)
Is Tia Torres sticking to the story of 100 pit bulls for Tehachapi when she is talking to Tehachapi? Or is it really 200, like when she's pitching the show or begging donations?
She needs to get her story straight.
"Tia is faced with the daunting task of moving her family, the parolees, the kennels AND THE NEARLY 200 PIT BULLS that call The Villalobos Rescue Center home." https://www.facebook.com/PitBullsandParolees?ref=ts
You people are ill! I can read! I can also discern a desperate act. This blog is just that! Out of desperation the author has tried to make VRC, advocates, PB owners, and Pit bulls out to be "bullies".
Posters have attempted to make us look unintelligent or less than average. I don't fear the pit bulls! They are babies compared to the people here. Your profanity and name-calling is disturbing. You people have so much animosity and hatred. Continue blindly in your quests to denigrate the name of pit bulls and their owners. I'm secure enough to know that I am in a better mental, emotional, and intellectual state than the majority of you condemning the breed. As proven by your need to verbally assault others for their perspectives! Fact of the matter is... This is 100% an opinionated and biased blog set out with one intention. To paint a stereotypical picture in peoples minds about the individuals listed. If you can't recognize this, then you have no grounds to judge me on my ability to read or of my intelligence level. I'm educated enough to see the big picture. Perhaps some of you are too close-minded and/or blinded by your tirade against the breed to have understood the underlying purpose.
You have failed miserably at your attempts to try to make me lower myself to your levels. I refuse to take part in the name-calling and belittling. Say what you want about me, because with every foul remark made you only make your points less valid and/or less compelling. Who wants to listen to someone that has to resort to brow-beating and profanity to try to make a point? I can't bear to debate a topic with people who lack the ability to make a point without badgering the opposing side.
Truthfully... there will never be a median whereas this breed is concerned. You either love them or you hate them. The arguments on both sides never change. "Anti's" will always spout the same things over and over, as you claim we "nuts" always do. We have our tangible evidence and breed knowledge, and you have your media outlets and misinterpreted history lessons. (I have to say you people are skillful in manipulating facts in an attempt to support your POV's. Some gullible people even fall victim to your hustle.) Until there is a large scale comparison and study on a dog to dog, breed to breed, bite to bite basis... no side will ever know the true statistics. (I don't see that ever happening.) No one can say with ANY certainty that pit bulls attack or bite more or less frequently than any other breed. There aren't many (if any) media reports on poodle attacks, but does that mean that they don't occur or occur less than any other breed? I can tell you from my own personal experience that my in-laws miniature poodle attacks anything and everyone on a daily basis which far exceeds my pit bull. He has never attacked or bitten any other animal or human being. That's two dogs out of millions. Wonder what the true statistics would be. I am sure all of you people would be surprised if a true study were to present itself that wasn't based on media articles or other unreliable sources.
I hope you can understand why I am unable to listen to your arguments with an open mind. As I said before... who takes a brow-beater seriously? If you are going to use INTIMIDATION (which this blog wreaks of as do most of it's followers posts), then you really can't be considered an accountable source. People will likely view your rants as emotional and biased. (Unless they are just as emotional and biased as you.) If you would like to effectively debate your side then more people might give your opinions some merit. I have listened and sympathized with many opposing perspectives, but the second a person resorts to badgering they lose all credibility!
Michelle, sweetie, no debating can take place if you unable perceive the central argument of this post.
Best of luck to you.
@Michelle Leigh
I don't mind calling you an idiot when you come whining with sanctimonious bull shit while making a shit-for-brains statement like this:
"We have our tangible evidence and breed knowledge, and you have your media outlets and misinterpreted history lessons."
This is why you get what you perceive as harsh responses, Michelle. People have run out of patience for your flavor of imbecilic hypocrisy. We only have media outlets and misinterpreted history? Really? Is this what you consider fair dialog?
Ever bothered to look up the Philadelphia study? 'Pediatric dog bite injuries: a 5-year review of the experience at the Children's Hospital.' - "More than 30 different offending breeds were documented in the medical records. The most common breeds included pit bull terriers (50.9 percent)"
Which one is this, Michelle? Is this from a "media outlet" or one of those "misinterpreted history lessons?"
Michelle; you have only reaped what you have sown. People treat you like an asshole because you are an asshole.
"spend a ton of money each Christmas to buy presents for poor children"
Then you have those pit bulls kill those kids, or rip their scalps off.
Pit bulls Kill and attack kids every day.
You don't care about kids. You pit nutters HATE kids.
It's Dan Meagher, the one that other pit nutters say ABUSES HIS DOGS and is just trying to cash in and make money with scams!
That's your folk Dan. Even they say you are garbage.
"Posters have attempted to make us look unintelligent or less than average"
Michelle, you are letting yourself get ripped off by a scammer who is not really helping pit bulls, encouraging thugs to breed them, and spending the donations on expensive luxuries and feeding tigers and wolves.
If you are foolish enough to let yourself get scammed so easily, do you think anyone trusts your judgment on anything else?
"The only reason I even read this trash is because Tia actually posted the link"
Dog Rescuer, it looks like maybe Tia has had some expensive platic surgery, maybe a face lift?
Is that so?
What do you think paid for it?
Maybe Tia will tell us.
"Start by googling "pit bull history and human aggression"!"
And what you find are lies that were spread by people like Tia to get you robots to repeat. (I can't even believe that anyone would be stupid enough to believe this, if they knew the first thing about dog fighters)
There are many entire lines of "champion" human aggressive pit bulls that have been bred extensively. Their descendants are still attacking humans, and still getting bred and handing on these aggression genes.
Colby, a prominent Massachusetts game dogger, had a pit bull that killed his nephew. Dog got kept and bred, handing on aggression to descendants.
In the dog fighting world, all that matters is winning a fight in the pit. These dogs live on chains. They don't get handled much except throwing them in the pit to fight.
Human aggression has been a strong component of the dog fighting, pit bull breeding world.
And yes, I know some dog fighters, some who have gotten nailed by their own dogs. If the dogs win fights, they keep them and breed them and hand on the aggression gene. Some dog fighters think human aggression is GOOD and makes for a gamer dog.
I don't just suck down gossip from a scammer. If you didn't just act like a pawn, you might be able to do something to improve the lot of pit bulls.
Lying about them isn't helping them. It just creates more human deaths, and your dogs are going bye bye.
Tia's pit bull world includes the KKK that breeds and fights pit bulls to raise money for their activities. They are "pit bull advocates" too.
Another "pit bull rescuer" named Jere Alexander, who breeds fighting breeds, was even creating "art" cherishing the KKK-pit bull link.
Nazi symbolism is all over material from "pit bull advocates" and "pit bull rescuers"
And what about the newspaper report that Aren Jackson is a white supremacist?
"Why is it that ppl have said so many bad things and searched things online, when honestly there are alot of things online that cannot be believed anymore'
You mean like the LIES that Tia has spread all over the internet?
The interviews where she lies?
Why would an honest person need to lie so much?
Anonymous said...
""Posters have attempted to make us look unintelligent or less than average"
Michelle, you are letting yourself get ripped off by a scammer who is not really helping pit bulls, encouraging thugs to breed them, and spending the donations on expensive luxuries and feeding tigers and wolves.
If you are foolish enough to let yourself get scammed so easily, do you think anyone trusts your judgment on anything else?"
MARCH 2, 2011 12:25 AM
Feel free to support your statements with some evidence! Otherwise you have proved nothing!
AND.... How exactly have I been scammed??? All this non-sense chatter about scamming being present, yet not one person has posted ANY proof of a scam at all! As i said before you guys are lacking evidence supporting your statements!
For pics on some of these pit nutter flakes,
http://www.facebook.com/VillalobosRescueCenter
The creepy guys hanging out with these naive woman are CREEPY.
And of course in the middle of it all, MORE begging for money from Tia, who is getting how freaking money from the TV show?
But Tia starts talking about how so many people have vet bills, and while she won't spend all her show biz big bucks to help them, she wants these gullible Facebook idiots to be paying other people's vet bills
HOW GULLIBLE are these Tia Torres robots?
And Tia's followers, bullying Tehechapi, are surprise! CONVICTED FELONS!
Who say they do wonderful things, like what? Car jacking? Murder? Aggravated assault? What are the felonies?
Yes, CONVICTED FELONS are offended by people who advocate for the VICTIMS of their fighting breeds.
Tehachapi, these are the people bullying you. Only as time goes on they will call themselves "veterinarians" and "vet techs" and "soccer moms" and all the other fake personas they dream up to try to manipulate people.
"Megan Richeson-Marum
I also read that blog from that guy and am blown away by the horrible things he said, I feel like he just wants to attack everyone and anything that has to do with pits, its kinda ridiculous, to be honest, and the way he portrays parolees is very untrue, I am a convicted felon and have done many wonderful things in my community, I wa...s very offended by all that he had to saÿ"
Matt Just appears to be a STALKER for the FELONS and ATTEMPTED MURDERERS and BULLIES and TERRORISTS
Maybe he is also one of the ones terrorizing victims of pit bulls?
"Matt Just
Wow I love the web you can find info on anyone even people that have sites that slander pits and also there owners :) more details to come Keep up the good work Villalobos keep your heads up and we will all fight for you to help these beautiful pups"
The Pit Bull Counter Culture is out in full force!
Soon, the tax free high life will be over for Pit Breeders, dog fighters and advocacy organizations. There are way too many mauling victims to let it continue without the breed community fixing the problem themselves.
Tia's efforts had zero effect on Pit euthanizations in LA County...with 10,000 excess Pits getting the needle annually.
Seriously, you Nutters should expend your energies ruthlessly busting Dogfighters and making sure dogs involved in maulings are not bred.
To: Dude, I Bagged Ur Pit
Whoop! Whoop! And so you have a foul mouth! Way to re-iterate my point! Show's just how much class is present! Tisk, Tisk! Shakes my head! Vulgarities will get you no where! Am I offended?... Hmmm, Nope!
Word to the wise Pit Nutter (if there are any)
Here's a scammer that you trusted with your money and support who robbed you blind!
Just one of many. Sound like a familiar tactic? Lots of tales of woe, sad stories, desperation, NEEDING MONEY AND SUPPORT. In the media all the time giving interviews, showing up on TV shows. All kinds od stories. Screwed you all and pit bulls too.
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:FhuyfDAomr8J:www.pitbullforum.com/viewtopic.php%3Ft%3D42689+tia+torres+is+a+con+artist&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&source=www.google.com
And another pit bull rescue thief
http://cravendesires.blogspot.com/2010/12/georgia-smacked-down-pit-grifter-amanda.html
you pit nutters are the most gullible
What "tactics" is Torres planning to pull with the DA to get her attempted cop killer husband off for crime? What money is getting used for the 2 lawyers pulling these tactics? Why would "tactics" need to be used for an innocent man?
On 1/31/10 at 01:06 PM, TiaMariaTorres wrote:
Its still a pending case so for obvious reasons I can't give any specific information. Can't let the "enemy" (the DA) know our defense tactics. Trust me I soooo wish I could say something. soon though, very soon."
Why are these pit nutters complaining?
Their money-begging leader Tia Torres loves craven desires!
quote from Tia
"craven desires: Tia Torres: Tehachapi Bully
cravendesires.blogspot.com
I know many of you are upset about this blog post that is floating around but as for me....I am completely fascinated"
And Jeanne Tutt of North Carolina broadcasts her intent to lie to Google and attempt censorship with lies.
http://www.facebook.com/VillalobosRescueCenter/posts/206372372710633
Some other gems from the problem children
"Kimberly Krueger Doherty I had to stop reading the comments on the blog. I posted two as did Dan with Pit Bull Positive. I don't even know what a nutter is??? I don't understand why people have to be like this, they are profiling and judging an entire breed. Ugh"
"Megan Ciacelli Rennert ive been featured on craven desires website in the past, i refuse to even look at that site. what an asshole."
"Cathleen Zelenka I believe this is the same wacko that was attacking one of my fb friends last tear- when I saw the name craven desires -I had to contact Robbin Perry to confirm if this was the same nutcase that gave her hell"
A blast from Tia Torres' past. It's all about the money, money, money.
"Don't you all get it? Can't you see what Tia is saying?
"Everything pointed to a perfect dog so what happened? What aren't we knowing," Torres said. "Something is missing."
Tia is blaming the victim. Everything was "perfect" and pit bulls are "wonderful dogs", so the boy MUST have provoked them. Thats the seed she is trying to plant in the minds of viewers. The old, "No one will ever really know what happened" ruse to explain away genetically dangerous dogs.
When the story ran in the Auburn Journal Tia and her fans showed up in the comments section, threatening posters who made critical remarks about her with lawsuits and making excuses for the attack. Some pit nutters blamed the boy, because his parents were involved in wildlife rehab, so they postulated that he must have "smelled like other animals", therefore, brought the mauling on himself.
The entire stunt was done for ratings, and nothing more. Tia drove 7 hours, and probably passed a dozen shelters where countless pit bulls were destined to be euthanized who HADN'T attacked anyone, and who were not unstable and fearful. She didn't save those dogs, because that wouldn't put money in her pocket like a highly publicized attack case would.
She wasn't looking to save a worthy dog, her producer was looking for a storyline, and this case fit the narrative they sought."
This has been AWESOME, a firsthand, TEXTBOOK example of the feeding frenzy nutters go into whenever their favorite heroes are exposed for the bullies they are. This is a lovely little microcosmic example of what the town of Tehachapi has to look forward to if they don't do the sensible thing and close the meeting to registered voters in their region.
Threats, faulty logic, lies, misconceptions. You are aware that for something to be counted as slander, it has to not be true? Posting unflattering pictures isn't slander. Craven didn't photoshop those pics. Good to know none of you are lawyers. I'd feel so sorry for your clients.
Thanks for showing your true colors and demonstrating why average citizens should shun you and your dogs.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/16217854/Tactics-in-the-Battle-to-Preserve-Aggressive-Breeds
http://www.scribd.com/doc/14171107/Aggressive-Dog-Breeds-Document-nr-3-Backward-Reasoning-Crooked-Logic-Sudden-Denial-ie-Human-Pathologies-by-A-Semyonova
Both sides of this issue are getting loopy.
If we are to appreciate all the HO Association pres (the one who originally complained about Tia) has done for the community why not appreciate all Tia has done for rescuing piut bulls?
I can not speak to a lot of the negative things being said about Tia because I do not have 1st hand knowledge. Nor do I believe the HO pres is as saintly as portrayed.
What I do know is that one of my dogs is part pit bull. I adopted him from a shelter covered in scars from being used for hunting or fighting. He is neither mean nor aggressive. In fact, he is a therapy dog and we volunteer every week at a local veteran's home. You know veterans - the people who fight and die for things we enjoy -like freedon of speech (i.e.the ability to call each other idiots on web blogs.)
I am in no way a nutter and am tired of people like Drex spewing sterotypes. I don't have tattoos or body piercing, have never been arrested, and yes I volunteer with charities on top of the weekly volunteer dog therapy (while holding down a full time job and paying taxes!)
Even though I don't have a tatoo I do have a scar from a dog bite - a small yappy dog ran up & bit me and ran away when I was in a friends yard.
Sadly, while there are many responsible, caring, hardworking, and educated pit bull owners out there, it will never be enough for the blogger of this site. He, and many of the people who agree with him are just as bad as the people he claims to be railing against.
^ Wow, anon, you try to sound unbiased, but your very first paragraph shows you as far more slanted than you want to appear. You can't speak to the negative stuff said about Tia, even though most of it comes from direct quotes from her or her family, nor can you speak to the positive things about the HO president? How about addressing the negative things that come from direct quotes? Start there.
So you want us to accept your example of your pit mix as relevant. Only if you'll accept that I was mauled and barely escaped with my life from an unprovoked attack by two pit bulls, my cousins' pit bulls nearly killed his 87 year old neighbor while she was trying to get her mail, my friend's pit bull killed her cats while she was at work, and my in-laws Katrina rescue pit mix went after their mail carrier unprovoked. Those are all pits I have direct knowledge of and/or have met personally. NONE of them were abused or mistreated in any way. The Katrina rescue is the only one whose history from birth wasn't known. I do know my in-laws treat him very well.
I'm tired of nutters spewing stereotypes, like little dogs are so much more vicious than pits. You all have a story about how you got bitten by some small dog. Do you have ANY idea how insulting and insensitive it is to compare getting nipped by a small dog to being mauled by a continuous onslaught from a pit bull intent on taking your life? Until it happens to you, you have NO idea what it's like. Stop trying to pretend you understand. If you understood, you would never own a pit.
Sadly, if pit owners were nearly as well educated and responsible as they THINK they are, there wouldn't be a need for blogs like this and organizations like DogsBite. You want places like this shut down? Kick the felons and rescue scammers out of your communities and start advocating for responsible regulations, or face bans. That's what it's coming down to.
wow.....all u people on the complete negative side of Tia..u people are absolutly INSANE!!!!
To the mom who came here and shared her horrific pit ownership story, thank you for having the guts and decency to stand up and try to prevent other parents from being duped into the dangers of pit ownership. It's positively disgusting but not at all surprising that some of the nutters tried to blame you and your husband for that attack. It's what they do. Defend the dogs at all cost, even when it means blaming a child.
Here's another story you might find interesting and commentary on it by a very respected animal behaviorist who has multiple PhDs and has done clinical trials and field studies of canine behavior for over three decades.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/36262816/My-Pit-Bull-Experience-by-Giancarla-Churchman
http://www.scribd.com/doc/36262682/Comments-on-My-Pit-Bull-Experience-by-Alexandra-Semyonova-Giancarla-Churchman-Story
I cannot believe the things you ignorant uneducated people are saying. Frankly you people are pathetic, I run a rescue in Indiana for pit bulls and you know what I would trust my life to a pit bull before any other dog. I had german shephard try to attack me in my own yard if it wasn't for my pit bull coming my rescue that dog would have done some serious damage. Its uneducated owners and people like yourselves that give these dogs a bad name. What Tia is doing is extraordinary, maybe if you take the time to go meet her and see what she does first hand then maybe you wouldn't be so quick to judge this woman that none of you know anything about. What are mad because she is getting the attention she is? That people are standing behind her? These parolees are not hurting anyone they made a mistake which I guarantee not one of you who are slandering her have not ever made a mistake you must be the most perfect people in the world. Apparently you people have never been given a second chance to make things right. No one is perfect they are trying to change their lives and do the right thing and this wonderful woman is giving them the avenue to achieve this. You people need to wake up and learn a few things. Would God like your judgement against her. Would God condemn her like you people are doing. There are child molesters going free and drugs all over our streets. People without jobs and poverty everywhere and you want to spend your time attacking a woman that is trying to do the right thing. How pathetic is your life that you have to go that far. She doesn't fight her dogs if she did I do think animal planet wouldn't have given her a show. Not one of her animals have been harmed in her care as a matter fact she has more adoptions of pit bulls than anywhere in the U.S. and beyond. I hope one day someone judges you for the things you are trying to do then maybe you will see just how wrong you people really are. Wake up people. I hope you will educate yourselves about this and get your facts straight all you are showing is ignorance
Heads up to the ones that are against Tia.... She is doing something great for the Pit Bull breed and certain people who want to better themselves after making a few mistakes. How many mistakes have you guys made? How many of you who admits to making mistakes wishes they could take them back or do better by them. Well Tia is helping people who admit their mistakes and admit that they want help and to do better than before. It is not Tia's fault in how some people raise their dogs. You all need to be better informed before you go out in a rampage because something is going on that you guys don't like. I bet there are tons of things that you all do that other people don't like. Grow up! Give Tia the help and support she deserves. Just remember karma is a bitch and everyone gets what they deserve in the end. If you guys hate her so much then don't pay any attention to her. But she has helped so many people and animals get a second chance. Image if your pet or you were not given the second chance that you want. Any and all dogs can change at any time and be mean. Its not just one breed! So open your eyes and stop being so freaking stupid!!! Tia is a great person and I look up to her. I wish I could be there helping her in everything that she is doing. Seriously... you guys are all just jealous because she has more going for herself than you do. Get over it.. Life is way to short to be worrying about anything other than your own business. Let Tia move on with her dream and help the dogs and Parolees who want help.
I'm sorry that some of you people are so ignorant about pitbulls. I don't know Tia personally, but I have watched the show. ANY dog can bite! I have a pit-chow mix and you have a greater chance of getting bit by my cats than her. I kind of understand you worry about the parollees, but doesn't everybody deserve a chance at redemption? And as far as the dogs that were said to be dangerous, usually a dog that has bitten once, is said to be dangerous, but if I felt threatened in anyway, I would gladly fight back as well and you can't expect an animal to not follow instinct when they are scared. Yes there are some bad dogs out there, but they are usually created by bad owners and lack of attention, socialization, and mistreatment. The US bred these dogs for fighting, they didn't ask to be put in a ring to fight to the death! No animal wants to feel pain or feel threatened. Don't judge the dogs, we are all God's creatures!
Pit bulls are not "God's creatures", they were selectively bred by humans. Without that intense selection, there would be no pit bulls.
I just felt the need to point out a few things that jumped out at me after reading this blog... First let me say that I started reading it as a person who was neutral on the topic, as I have a Masters in Psychology and have done extensive research in human behavior. I found that it was full of steriotyping, profileing, discrimination, judgement based on outward aperance, and name calling etc... and this goes for dog as well as people. The thoughts that come to mind are that one, you should base your argument with researched fact minus the above mentioned childishness and two, two, any legal court is going to look at the emotional nature of your complaint and take into account that it may be a biased type of situation, and not very accurate on all accounts... as in exageration, false statistics, made up situations etc. Just from reading this blog, I am developing a general distaste for the supporters of your "fight", and that is strictly from reading the hate that is coming straight out of your own mouths and onto your blog, where it is permanently recorded for people to reffrence back to the fierce negativity you spew. A few examples of the good things that pitbulls historically have done for the people you characterize as the people unworthy of living or working in your town.... The dogs are "re-habbing the people as well as the people re-habbing the dogs. Why do you think their are so many prisons using dog therapy as a means of teaching prisoners how to get ready for life outside of prison... to get them used to having responsibility and to teach compassion... to realize that not all things in the world are out to get them and that they should therefore stop the tough act that often times creates the criminal activity... to create a distraction from their problems and help to develop a more positive outlook on life. They can relate best to pittbulls as well as other shelter dogs bc they too have been locked up and judged and find solace in the fact that they both can come out on the better end of life if the right steps are taken. The very people that you dont want in your backyards are the ones who are working so hard to find a way to better themselves by giving back.
If you ask me, you might even be making the problem worse by stopping the cycle of good that comes out of such an organization helping both dog and people.
like I stated before, it is your own words that created my opinion on this and made me feel the need to give some positive facts about the people and animals that you are charactizing as unworthy of being in your community. It really makes you sound ridiculous.
Tia has now told anyone who dares think for themselves and question any of her actions to STEP OFF!
No Thinking anyone! If you believe her motives are good, then any action she takes must de facto be right and good!
This is amazing!
From Tia:
"I posted the link on the nutball "cravendesires" so everyone could see how insane people can be. Much to my surprise, a few of you have actually had to question its validity on whether or not some of the things are true. Those of you who are questioning it, need to remove yourself from our Facebook page. If you don't know how sincere and real we are and cannot see that this manifest of psycho babble is just that, then this is not the forum for you"
-- Tia Maria Torres
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http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150099016136143&set=a.172848176142.131034.172286261142&theater
what a selfserving bitch
to the person with the masters in pschobabble. here hoping a similar organization comes to your neighborhood soon.
just wanted to give you something to chew on how many rescue centers would take time to save a dog that died in New Orleans? not many but she didin't just walk by it she had to body sent back to her rescue center for a buriel not many people have the heart to do that do they. That just tells you what kinda woman Tia is. I have seen her and her daughters cry over the dogs they couldn't save, so why keep talking trash over them. don't you have anything else to do with your time? in Oklahoma last year they had a lab puppie eat a baby, what about them are they a bad breed to now. little dogs are the ones who bite and hurt most people do the research that should help you see pits are not as worst as the smaller breeds. Ya I own a small dog thats because where I live we can't have a big dog but if I could I would have one. I trust my 5 year old around them so why not move on to another topic? leave Tia and her daughters alone they are not that bad and what they do on their off time is up to them not for you to talk trash about. And AJ can't defend himself so just leave him out of it and move on
aj cant defend himself? well i think the problem would really be defending yourself from aj. he is a killer but thats ok because the victim was a child molester allegedly. aj of course is innocent of all charges against him ever. how typical.
To the mom who posted about her daughters attack...thank you. I personally know of several pit attacks that were NOT covered by my local media. I think, in fact, that pit bull attacks are underreported. Without people like you stepping forward and speaking out, none of our children will ever be safe. Your daughter and my daughter will never be safe.
Could you share any information as to who the breeder of this pit bull was? Was it a well known kennel? Was it a byber? Did you purchase from an ad in the paper?
Then I guess AJ did us a favor huh.
So Tia is claiming that she is moving 200 dogs to a property that she has a kennel license for 100 dogs? WTF is up with that?
Will 100 dogs be euthanized? What is wrong with you people....has anyone asked Tia what will happen to 100 extra dogs? If you all love pit bulls SO much, aren't you even the slightest bit curious as to what will happen to all these dogs?
Or is this just a big FU to Tehachapi? Is she planning on bringing double the amount of dogs she is claiming, because she feels she is above the law? This isn't even about pit bulls anymore. Its about what will happen to all the other animals she has living on her ranch. Where will the bears end up? What about the other exotics?
tia if this blog is a manifest of psycho babble why not just ignore it instead of this tsunami of emotional female response? sticks and stones as they say. words are not like red teeth (redtooth@ tias.co)??????
""You're a very sick person if this is what has become of your life - trying to run out someone who is not only saving dog's lives and helping rehabilitate prisoners.""
Let's not forget Tia wanting to sell other women's bodies to support her addiction to pits. Someone's daughter, someone's sister, someone's mother being sold for sex. Disgusting that another woman would do that. Then again look at Tia, she looks like a street walker.
So, Tia is above coming here and responding. Yet, she posts a link to this on her facebook, KNOWING what will happen. All her little groupies will do what they've been doing. She gets back and gets to act above the fray all the while. Can't see you're being manipulated even now, can you? Being a postive person in general doesn't include swallowing other people's bullshit.
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