Monday, October 15, 2012
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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 243 of 243Branwyn I was thinking of a small affluent town called Wenham where my older children's grandfather lives. It would be less likely to see them there but still all the propaganda is even affecting the more educated and I see pb's in the nicer neighborhoods too :/ My fear is that I'll see one and go into a panic as happened on the beach in NH over the summer. There were a few pit mixes but they seemed okay and preoccupied with their owner. Then one came bounding onto the beach and ran past us, owner was six or eight feet behind it. I told my husband to get the kids and I ran to the car. I sat in the car shaking and crying. It pisses me off that these people have no forethought that perhaps some people have had bad experiences with dogs. And as in your case, no forethought about other dogs. Even if I, or your dog, wasnt attacked theres still a measure of victimization there imo.
DubV I wish I had a gun. I have a knife but not sure if I could actually plunge it into anything....eeek! My husband cant go with us this year. My oldest son and daughter will be there but my daughter is very petite and my son isnt very physical, more the cerebral type. I can see us al now scrambling and trampling each other to get away lol. The only thing in my favor is a have a temper. When that kicks in, watch out. But yeah a gun would be ever so nice and less messy too.
One more thing I would like to share...in Sue Sternberg's wonderful book, "Successful Dog Adoption" she describes a certain type of adopter who is attracted to "abused animal" stories. She tells the story about a case they had where a group wanted to transfer a white german shepherd dog to her facility who was a cruelty victim of neglect and was supposedly "emaciated". Sue put the word out about the dogs availability and story, and soon had what appeared to be an ideal candidate who wanted to adopt him.
But when the dog showed up at her facility, he was in a lot better shape than they had been led to believe...a little thin, but overall a robust, playful, happy dog full of energy, who wanted to play ball.
The adopter came out to meet the dog; she had made all sorts of preparations, including buying high caloric, nutritionally dense food to nurse him back to health. But when she saw him, instead of being happy his condition wasn't that bad, she was crestfallen. She was apparently deeply disappointed that her pity rescue turned out to be a happy, relatively healthy, normal dog. She didn't want a normal dog, she wanted a sick, abused dog...perhaps to feed her own ego, or for bragging rights over the fact that she "saved" this animal. She left without adopting the dog.
Erins tale of finding her sick, abused pit bull, which she felt so compelled to share with us early in her narrative, seems very common with pit bull fanatics. It seems like part of the appeal of owning a pit bull for many women....they seem attracted to the fact that they "saved" a very sick or injured dog, and enjoy telling the story. I imagine it gives them a lot of credibility with other pit bull advocates. Going to a shelter and adopting a healthy, friendly retreiver mix wouldn't allow you to keep repeating the self-congratulatory story about how you saved a very sick, abandoned dog from death.
I think that is actually part of the appeal of the breed for many of these women...they don't want a healthy, happy, easy dog as a companion animal....the want a story, they want to feel like martyrs, they want to feel needed and special, they want attention....even negative attention.
TreeC you are from Mass! I am from Mass also, in the Greater Boston area! I know exactly what you mean!
When my children were young, for years I could not walk around the block...I never knew when the young owner of the pit bull would be home, and the dog loose. The pit bull had already attacked other dogs...it had once come after my almost three year old son, stalking us and keeping us frozen on the sidewalk while I screamed at the owner to call it off.
Pit bulls aren't that common in my town, but the few that do exist cause enormous problems. The MSPCA and other humane groups are relentlessly pushing these dogs on people, especially first time dog owners, and people who don't know anything about dogs. Many times they will lie to adopters and label pit bulls other breeds...lab mixes(black pit bull) Weimaraner mixes (blue pit bull), vizla mixes (red nose pit bull) border collie mixes (black and white pit bull) dalmation mixes (spotetd pit bull), etc.
I have met suburban families who were tricked into adopting a pit bull.....some end up returning them when the dogs genetics kick in and they start to show aggression toward other animals.
Hamilton-Whenham would be a better area to bring the kids....I can't imagine the folks up at the Myopia Hunt Club and that aear would for a moment tolerate any threat to their horses. (we don't care much about children in this country, but if a pit bull took down a polo pony, THAT would inspire action).
I wrote two responses to branwyn and dubv and both poofed >(
Anyway thanks for the advice!
April29, it's good to know that I or my kids will be covered if we need our scalps sown back on. That shit gets expensive ;)
pitbulls in nicer areas, likely are loved , pampered, socialized, dressed up in costume , taken to petsmart and the dog park ...... and have owners who know fuck -all about dogs .
Wrong i guess only one poofed. Trying to get used to using an android.....
Yes, born and raised here in Mass. greater Boston as well.
Wow branwyne, that is so scary! and with children omg! I have to say that Ive not yet seen a pit roaming. Hope i never do. But even on leash I dont want one anywhere near us. Being on a leash wont stop one from latching as we're walking by. I saw two young girls, ten and twelve respectively, each with a large muscular pb on leashes and was furious. Who the hell would allow that? Those dogs go nuts and those girls would get dragged or he dogs would break away. I saw the guy that I assume owns them with both on leashes. I slowed down and was gonna open the window and say something about the girls walking them but decided against it.
I was originally thinking Wakefield or Stoneham but Ive seen them there too. When I thought of some of the less likely places, yeah Hamilton-Wenham came to mind first.
"we dont care much about children in this country, but if a pit bull took down a polo pony, THAT woild inspire action" hahaha so true.
Yeah gotta love the MSPCA. They should change the name to MSPCPB cuz it seems thats what they're all about now. I adopted a kitten from them years ago when I worked in the Back Bay. Walked right up the street after work and went home with her. I wouldnt step foot in the place now. Disgusting. Seems cats and normal dogs are an afterthought and not even worth the effort.
TreeC, because we don't really have a dog overpopulation problem here in Mass, open admission shelters are pretty much filled with pit bulls. The MSPCA has become primarily a pit bull adoption center, so most nice suburban families don't even bother to look there for a family dog any more. I have had multiple families tell me this.
Several years ago my friend's sweet, gentle, obedience trained, elderly Golden Retriever was attacked in his own yard...full of kids playing...by the neighbors pit bull, which jumped a 4 ft. fence to grab him by the neck in a totally unprovoked attack. The pit bull had been let out by a dog walker, who tried to use pepper spray to get him to let go, but it had no effect. The dog walker ended by sitting and crying while neighbors ran out and beat the pit bull in the head with a shovel until it let go long enough to get the Golden in the house.
That pit bull came from the Boston MSPCA...the owners got it as a puppy and insisted that it had been "temperament tested" by the MSPCA, so it couldn't possibily have done what everyone saw it do.
The aftermath of that attack was devastating for that family...their five year old had nightmares amnd would not play in the yard anymore. The victimized family had just a few months earlier lost a child to cancer, so the pit bull owner claimed that the mom was just a hysterical, greiving mother who was overreacting. The pit owner refused to put up a taller fence to keep their dog inside...my friend ended up moving.
Wakefield and Stoneham have their share of pits, but not as many as Saugus and Malden. How about Lynnfield? There are some nice neighborhoods there that are walkable.
I think Erin needs to be aware that more and more people are simply killing pit-bull type dogs that cause trouble. In the past month, about four have been stabbed or choked to death as they attacked someone's normal dog. Not by police, but by ordinary-looking middle-aged citizens the pit adolescents never thought could kill their penis extender / surrogate.
I would hope Erin would be so kind as to pass this news to her circles of pit-loving adolescent friends. Just so they know they better keep an eye on their killer dog, and keep it close, because otherwise it will likely end up dead.
What a nightmare story. That poor family. And the poor dog. I love goldens, in general such a gentle breed. When I hear of gentle dogs (especially service dogs) bei ng attacked its heartbreaking. And those poor kids! The trauma.....
Well I just started a job in Lynnfield. Maybe after work I'll drive around and scout out an area or ask someone at work where to go. Yeah Malden.......a Pitbulls paradise. Seems the majority of dogs I see being walked here are pb. Oh, except for the massive heart-attack-inducing Rottie that gets walked by my house every day
Yikes! Was raised here but its not he place I once knew. It's gone to the dogs.
True that I dont see in Mass the strays like when I was a kid but what happens when no kill shelters get full and people arent adopting? Seems to me thats why you see mostly young tough guy types or young naive bleeding heart girls. These are the groups that seem to be most in denial about what they have on their hands. Then people get hurt. Sorry just rambling here.
Lynnfield would be a good possibility and only half the drive than Wenham. Melrose is a more upscale town and so close but I see them there a lot too. The damn things are everywhere. They're taking over for crying out loud.
Thanks!
LOVE THE COMMENT DUBV!
"The adopter came out to meet the dog; she had made all sorts of preparations, including buying high caloric, nutritionally dense food to nurse him back to health. But when she saw him, instead of being happy his condition wasn't that bad, she was crestfallen. She was apparently deeply disappointed that her pity rescue turned out to be a happy, relatively healthy, normal dog. She didn't want a normal dog, she wanted a sick, abused dog...perhaps to feed her own ego, or for bragging rights over the fact that she "saved" this animal. She left without adopting the dog.
Erins tale of finding her sick, abused pit bull, which she felt so compelled to share with us early in her narrative, seems very common with pit bull fanatics. It seems like part of the appeal of owning a pit bull for many women....they seem attracted to the fact that they "saved" a very sick or injured dog, and enjoy telling the story. I imagine it gives them a lot of credibility with other pit bull advocates. Going to a shelter and adopting a healthy, friendly retreiver mix wouldn't allow you to keep repeating the self-congratulatory story about how you saved a very sick, abandoned dog from death."
i see this a lot. i think it is associated with certain attention seeking disordered personalities (histrionic and narcissistic), ultra political correctness and a dash of munchhausen, a bad combination.
TreeC - blogger only loads 200 comments per page. look at the bottom and toggle between older and newer.
Thanks Dawn. Im a little slow but I eventually figured it out.
Snarky, pibulls in tutus with a death grip on some poor dog or person is just such a creepy and bizarre picture. Like John Wayne Gacey in his clown suit. SHUDDER
TreeC, Melrose has their share of pit bulls, but if you stayed in the area of Bellevue/East Emerson, Porter street, you should be OK. Plus some of those old Victorian mansions would be fun to trick or treat at....it's a good excuse to get a closer peak at those gorgeous homes!
Malden has a muzzle ordinance, and the city has acknowleged they have a problem with pit bulls. But Deval Patrick just passed a law that will ban any sort of BSL...so who knows what will happen in Malden. Boston is fighting to keep their pit bull ordinance, Menino and Consalvo are filing a home rule petition, so it will be interesting to see if they win.
I know exactly where you're talking about. Best idea yet.
Malden's muzzle law only applies to non malden residents due to the pb attack at Trafton Park. At least last I read. As though Malden pb's dont bite! If it does apply to residents then so far I havent seen one person that follows it.
I think your idea is great. So close and a nice area. Hopefully no pitties and the kids will enjoy the big houses.
I know Boston has a muzzle law. What is the "home rule"? Sounds hopeful. I wasnt aware.
treec
my personal fave is pb mutant dressed as court jester. yeah .... shit bulls are just a barrel of laughs.
You said it, Branwyne!
As a former professional dog behaviorist with an M.S. in animal behavior and 35 years of dog experience...
You are RIGHT on the money about the reason for most supposed "protection" dogs being protective. Fear. Not "courageous loyalty toward the owner," but a dog trying to save his own skin.
And we all know how a fearful dog or human makes "perfect" split second judgement calls that can end with somebody being dead or maimed in the case of a pit bull or other bully breed...
somewhere on this blog is some fine photoshop work featuring pit bulls and john wayne gacy compliments of snack sized dog.
I know I saw one somewhere of JWG in a clown suit. not sure if its same one you're referring to.
Snarky, just had to go to stop n shop and there was one right near the door wagging his tail (which means nothing good to me not impressed). My daughter and I walked way over and circled back to avoid it and I was muttering angrily the whole time, which my daughter found funny. He had no costume on but if he did Id just be more irritated. Monsters in cute costumes is, well, bizarre for lack of a better word. I just wish they didnt exist.
a wagging tail is only half the tale , like when erin sez her mutant is a sweetie but would have a black man for lunch . jwg may well have been a nice man if you caught him on a good day .
a black man for lunch. how sweet :/
really beautifull dogs , brindled and built like brick shit-houses, no wonder the foxy , skanky laydies like them so . never pick a fight but always finish their opponents off , if theyre not dirtnapped in the process. gorgeous animals , lovable , cuddly big goof-balls ......dingbat killers too sometimes , i mean laydie killers , perfect dog for the self-destructive , squirlly , high maintainence air head.
As I drifted off to sleep last night I heard that a Pasadena, California is considering a pit bull ban.
It would be amazing to see this pass since the state of California has a law that you can not ban specific breeds.
It would be wonderful if Pasadena could do something to get around that. They already offer free spay/neuter of pit bulls.
Their City councilman makes sense when he says-
"But Madison, who keeps two Maltipoo (Maltese-poodle mix) dogs as family pets, contends that frequent media reports of attacks by bully breeds provide anecdotal evidence that some dogs are more dangerous when they bite.
“I doubt there’s a stack of cocker spaniel fatalities they’re hiding from the newspapers,” he said.
http://articles.pasadenasun.com/2012-10-19/news/34659250_1_pit-bulls-bulls-within-city-limits-aggressive-dogs
TreeC, if a home rule petition passes, it would allow Boston to keep their ordinance and ignore the new state law.
To SKY, thank you for your input. I just can't STAND the descriptions of dogs genetically wired behavior as being all about pleasing their owner. I hate when pit bull apologists claim that pit bulls fight out of "loyalty" to their owners. I want to ask them if they think that terriers like to dig to show their "loyalty" to their owners? Maybe they think that greyhounds like to run because of "loyalty" to their owners.
ive noticed the snot-puppy crowd ,around here, have it that mutants are better trained and even have better "manners" than their lessor victims . when a mutant grabs a ladies poodle and snaps its spine like a rabbits, its really only teaching said dead poodle a lesson in manners. like maybe someone should teach their obnoxious pitter spawn a similar "lesson in manners". now that would be great !!!!
Wow. I just happened to stumble across this site, and the side-show that is the comments-section. I'm in shock.
I am neither a pit bull owner nor the victim of an aggressive dog attack, but I can sympathize with both sides, and feel compelled to say the following, do with it what you will.
1) The issue of pit bull banning is a controversial one, which means that there are reasonable arguments on BOTH sides of the debate (represented by victims of aggressive dog attacks, and by victims of discrimination -- both of the dog and the dog owner, who chooses to love, care for and own the "bully" breed).
See a nonprofit/nonpartisan site like the following for a more complex/nuanced view than is offered in these comments:
http://www.procon.org/sourcefiles/schools/woodland-high-school-georgia.pdf
2) You would think that reasonable representatives on both sides of the debate could come together; talk to each other without demonizing or ridiculing anyone who expresses an opposing viewpoint; and devise a set of guidelines for responsible dog ownership, consequently creating a community that is both close-knit and safe.
You would THINK.
3) But, this site is a reflection of the sad fact that the victim so often turns into what they hate: the one who victimizes.
I am truly sorry for anyone who is the victim of an aggressive dog attack. I can only imagine the fear and horror.
But: Erin, the visitor on this site, makes concessions, apologizes for offending, and evinces a genuine willingness to understand a point of view different from her own about a topic that's obviously dear to her.
And she is belittled by nothing less that a pack-mentality, which proves that humans are a "bully" breed all their own.
OF COURSE, she conveys her personal experience/interest -- b/c that's what humans do when they seek to engage with one another and seek common ground.
The treatment of her is shameful.
I have, no doubt, turned this pack against myself -- but, happily I'll have moved on and will be oblivious to it. I don't plan to waste another second on this site, after posting this comment.
Erin: I would advise you to do the same. You're in better company with your Benson. And, you'd do better to seek to understand a different perspective from reasonable people who will recognize your humanity -- maybe you can find one among the procon sources?
Best,
awww , the voice of unbiased reasonableness.
nicole : this site is not meant for people who have no bias . if you are not pro pitbull or anti pitbull you should not be here.
haha snarky I knew you were gonna say something.
I was unbiased too several months ago until this issue caught my attention. When I read about and saw pictures of victims, human and animal, I became blatantly biased. That will never change. IMO if you read and see what I did and remain unbiased there is something very very wrong with you.
People like ryan pit-nutter and erin and nicole , they come and then they go and they may be genuine or maybe not but its not really for us cravenites to be nice to these folk even when they say how sorry they are about what pits and pitters do . i always take that part with a grain of salt .....oh , im so sorry for the victims but ....
I don't believe they're sorry either. If they were they'd be on the comments section of an attack story saying, "I'm unbiased but you are revictimizing a victim and that is SHAMEFUL" etc. instead of coming here adding insult to injury.
oh yeah .
its how victims are treated by dummies and scum , after the fact , the changes forever the way they perceive the snotty ryans and erins that come to "educate and moderate" , supposedly .
Nicole is pitter back up sent to rescue Erin. We have seen the "I just happened upon this site and you people should be ashamed of yourselves" intro in the past. Nobody just happens upon a blog and wades through 232 comments.
Nice try.
i think nicole has her own version of " gentle benson " asleep on her bed or guarding the veranda screen door for black men and paper boys.
snot-puppies , they come and they go , but not before deleting all they re comments , awwww such a loss to us .
Ahhh, Nicole, if you want to see an online blood letting, go over to pit bull chat and watch what happens when a pit bull owner suggests to the other pit bull owner/fetishists that maybe, just maybe, the pit bull breed would benefit if breeders bred AWAY from dog aggressive temperaments. Erin was handled with kid gloves here, compared to what happens to pit bull "lovers" who suggest that it would be humane to stop breeding dogs that want to kill other dogs.
You claim there is a more complex/nuanced view of the problem that pit advocates present, but you are wrong. The problem is quite simple, as are the solutions. The pit advocates argument involves a few basic tactics. Either complete denial of the problem (media conspiracy, pit bulls are all sweet lovable dogs, etc), denial of the basic scientific principals of selective breeding of domesticated animals and genetics (pit bull behavior is solely the result of training/handling not breed specific genetic drives), or insisting that our public safety policy should be reactive and require injuries/victims (punish irresponsible owners after the fact) It really is that simple.
Erin mentions that she doesn't want to see the "extinction" of the pit bull breed....for what reason? The pit bulls flooding our nations shelter systems are a land race breed almost exclusively bred by criminals, drug dealers, dog fighters, gang members, and losers looking to make a quick buck. They are primarily bred for the purpose of dog fighting, guarding illegal activities, as thug fashion accessories, or as an income source for unemployed, uneducated losers looking for income and beer money. Most pit bulls born in this country lead short brutal lives, end up dumped or abandoned, eventually being euthanized in our shelter system. Erin, like most pit bull fetishists, fights for the rights of the worst members of our society to keep breeding dogs that are doomed to fail in pet homes....dogs that are responsible for killing more innocent family pets than all otehr breeds combined. That is the essence of cruelty and stupidity to me, wouldn't you aggree?
Are there pit bulls that won the genetic lottery and are sweet, docile, family pets? Sure there are. Can most of us trust the average pit owners assessment of their own dogs temperament? Absolutely not. I personally know families who parroted the same line Erin has about her lovable pit bull....dogs who then went on to attack (and in one case kill) other dogs.
There are many compromise measures that would not affect responsible pit owners one bit, help reduce the suffering of pit bulls being bred for dogfighting, and the endless glut of pit bulls entering shelters, that don't involve banning them. Mandatory s/n, mandatory microchipping, and insurance requirements (what owner of ANY large breed dog has no insurance?) have all been rejected by the pro-pit lobby. So where should the conversation go from here?
The pit bull advocates lobby for one thing...unregulated breeding and easy access to pit bulls. They would rather see a million pit bulls a year die in shelters than admit there is a problem with WHO IS PRODUCING THEM. They would rather vilify the suburban family who comes into the shelter looking for a retreiver, and refuses to adopt a pit bull.
Erins arguments are illogical, cruel and stupid, and have resulted in untold suffering of animals (and people). Not to mention they follow a bizarre behavior pattern we see here quite regularly. That's why she got the reception she did here.
oh Branwyne.
pearls cast before swine.
"Nicole is pitter back up sent to rescue Erin. We have seen the "I just happened upon this site and you people should be ashamed of yourselves" intro in the past. Nobody just happens upon a blog and wades through 232 comments.
Nice try."
scorched earth, that was my reaction to nicole's comment. i suspect that the majority of pit nutters and dog fighters don't even know craven desires exists. on rare occasion, someone just happens to find this blog when they are googling one of the featured fighters, rescuers, puppy millers or pedophiles and all too often marcus aren jackson (hybristophiliac tia torres' sweet misunderstood lifer) lol.
branwyne, i want to start collecting all of your brilliant comments and putting them in it's own blog.
I think Nicole was trying to say
Live and let maul....
Sigh, Society was much better off when these disaffected young women simply wrote marriage proposals to serial killers.
Now they've found Pit Bulls and are trying to be the next Tia Torres.
Erin , Nicole
please , please come back , we need educating and cleansing of ignorance and hate . please come transform craven from the nasty enclave of small -minded haters into something finer and nicer , maybe into a new rescue shelter for abused albino mutants that have killed their own dingbat owners .
erin , nicole , ryan babynutter,
where are you ?, please come back , we need intelligent , unbiased moderation . could you help us promote responsible mutant fostering and victims services for dingbat families and dependents ect.
ah well , guess theyve moved on to better things where their fine , gentle natures can help murderous mutants in distress, find new homes and new breathing owners , ..... the sort of noble thing that cravenites sneer and laugh about . lol
Counter to what Nicole said, it is not necessarily wise or necessary to relate your own personal experience in a dispute. It really shouldn't matter if you own a pit bull, should it? What Erin did was inject herself personally into the ideas being discussed, so any rebuttal would necessarily become personal to her. This is often done by accident by the inexperienced or on purpose. It is done purposefully when someone would like to claim victim status once their ideas have been rebutted. Then Nicole swept in and helped out in this regard. > 50% chance that Nicole didn't just come here at random, but even that probability judgment is likely to send Nicole into howling that I am dehumanizing her. What Nicole and Erin did is very likely a version of concern trolling.
Am very late saying this, but wanted to give credit: @Branwyne 8:15 AM
excellent post. I've re-read it three times.
And yes..pearls before swine (ty snarky)
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