part 4: of pit pit bulls and morons and entitlements

if past behavior is any predictor of future behavior, i expect ROZSA to delete his comments, so i have created this shrine to preserve them, along with my responses to his excuses.


Interesting how self-deluded "leaders" think that sycophants are friends. Wah, wah, wah... the whine that reaches Hell.

blah blah blah, don't believe in hell.

If you were only interested in the truth. You are not. You are a liar and a dishonest dishrag who has no life.

i simply repeated and linked to your own comments on the internet. if i am lying you have one hell of a defamation lawsuit against me. but, i doubt that it would hold a candle to the defamation lawsuit against you by the "sheepfucker". (i save everything as a pdf or screenshot for evidence)

Your wonderful recount of who I am and what happened to me is so full of direct lies and lies by omission that I won't even bother responding to them.

Regarding the sheep... 1. The only reason my evidence was not sufficient proof to the judge that my dogs did not kill the sheep is that I was not there when the sheep were killed; nothing less and nothing more; ask the judge or the murderer's attorney; 2. I did not have to pay for court costs; the plaintiff did; 3. that a mountain lion was seen in the neighborhood is both a matter of record in the logs of Shelby Animal Control and it was also told to my wife outside the court, while waiting to testify by the moron's next door neighbor; the presence of coyotes in our area (we are across the street from a 77,000 acre state park) is also a matter of record - I have local publication that printed it several times over the last 10 years; 4. I did not take a penny from the creep - Instead, I had him donate a paltry sum to the Bama Bully Rescue. 5. Almost every one of the members or fosters in the Bama Bully Rescue organization are either veterinarians, vet techs, work for animal rescues or shelters, or are somehow helping keep the population safe and stop cruelty to animals and their slaughter by the hundreds of thousands every year; every one of them is a kind, genuine caring person; not a single asshole among them - something that can hardly be said about the shrill whiners that populates this stinky swamp you call a blog; 6. Go ahead - kill Pit Bulls - I beg you. They are getting killed anyway - at least this way I can watch you idiots get what's yours. Listen to Dawn. She will get you fined and maybe even see some prison time. I only wish.

andrew, andrew, andrew... your statement about the plaintiff paying the court costs is in direct contradiction with the court documents, which you have apparently forgotten i have in my possession.



COURT COSTS ARE TAXED TO THE DEFENDANT IN ACCORDANCE WITH SEC. 3-1-6, CODE OF ALABAMA (1975).
perhaps you have forgotten that YOU are the defendant/counter plaintiff. but don't take my word, here is the law spelled out on a NUTTER website:

§ 3-1-6. Liability of owner, etc., for injuries to livestock, etc., caused by dog while off premises of owner, etc.

If any dog, not being at the time on the premises of the owner or person having charge thereof, shall kill or injure any livestock, the owner or person having such dog in charge shall be liable for damages sustained by the killing or maiming of any livestock and for the full costs of the action.

(Code 1907, § 2471; Code 1923, § 5679; Code 1940, T. 3, § 6.)

* i keep saying this but you are apparently too fucking dense to absorb it for some reason. SO ONE MORE TIME. people who kill any dog (any includes pit bulls) that is safely contained on their property should go to prison. YOUR dogs were off of your property and not under your control or supervision. your opinion about their behavior when not in your sight, is pure speculation, not evidence.


DubV - I was awarded $1650 more than the creep. Comparing the relationship between a dog and its companion to sheep raised for meat is insane, my friend. Courts all over the country agree that the relationship between dog and its companion is special and I can cite you case law examples in which huge punitive damages were awarded to dog owners, even if they killed a domestic animal. But, I repeat, my dogs did NOT kill the sheep. The moron thought they must have, because like you and your cadre here, he ASSUMED that if it's a Pit Bull it must be a killer. The judge based his decision on the fact that I was not an eye witness to what happened. Neither was the "complainant," yet, he went inside the house, got a rifle and willfully and with malice killed dogs that were walking away. My companions. The Judge's statement was that without eye witnesses there is no evidence other than the recount of Mr. X, a liar, curmudgeon, and money mongering fool who, when I offered to let him off the hook for the money he owed me, said, "But I want my money."

SANDOR AND TIZSA DID KILL THE SHEEP. facts are stubborn things and no matter your wishes, inclinations or the dictates of your passion, you can not alter the state of facts and evidence.

a few courts have awarded large sums to people for the loss of a companion animal but not in alabama, at least none that i can find. i am aware of two cases that awarded the victim $30K+ for the loss of their companion. one lawsuit was against a vet in california and the other was against a neighbor for the death of their pet cat by the neighbor's chow in washington. careful what you wish andy, YOU and your cadre of pit nutters have much more to lose than me or mine in these civil suits. but that's why alabama nutters have fought so hard against NON breed specific dangerous dog laws, isn't it?

your comment about the insanity of comparing your dogs to animals raised for meat is offensive. i have read a great deal of your on line ramblings. you are critical of the political system that you left behind and proclaim to love your new country, yet like your knowledge of the pit bull, your knowledge of american history is superficial and self serving. there is an important phrase in american history, "life liberty and the pursuit of happiness" you should familiarize yourself with it. these words were written by Thomas Jefferson but they were inspired by 17th century philosopher John Locke who was the single greatest influence in political philosophy, the american revolution and the U.S. constitution. what exactly does the "pursuit of happiness" mean? PURSUING ONE'S SELF INTEREST. in your narcissistic world view, the sheep owner's self interest (raising sheep) is not as important as your self interest (raising sheep killers). John Locke is also responsible for the famous phrase "my right to swing my fist ends where your nose begins." the sheep owner was minding his own business and pursuing his legal self interests until your fist connected with his nose. the act you were found guilty of, is criminal in EVERY state. the sheep owner's reaction to that act is only criminal in some states due to the peculiarities of the sequence of events that individual states allow. the sheep owner's biggest mistake - he was honest. he should have just shot your dogs and buried them.

I was urged to bring criminal charges against the moron and, according to my attorney, we could have put the sheepfucker in prison and have him fined... but what's the point? You can't change people's minds when their opinion is based on ignorance and hysterics.

prison? not bloody likely! either your attorney is as batty as you are or you are lying AGAIN. i don't think a prosecutor would touch that case. he would have to prove felony animal cruelty in the first degree against an 80 year old man protecting his property. alabama's felony animal cruelty laws are very specific and alabama laws states no more than 6 months in a COUNTY JAIL on conviction. that is not prison. talk about ignorance and hysterics, you nutters wrote the book. i call fear mongering shenanigans AGAIN.

The only reason I even came here is because one of your "friends" opined on my blog that "your dogs are killers and I know you and the Courts have found you guilty." Spending your life spreading half-truths is so pitiful it makes my heart ache. I spent a lifetime helping people (thousands of them), yet I am called names and accused of incredible deeds, which according to you and your cohorts are comparable to Hitler's mass murders. Dawn quoting Goebbels is not helping your cause.

Dawn - I deplore ANY mistreatment of any animal. Chaining is unacceptable to any of us who are in my support group. We offer help to people who are having problems with their dogs, save dogs that are salvageable and likely to make good family pets. We choose to spend our time, knowledge, and money to do something that we think is good. How can you judge us this harshly is beyond my ability to understand. Comparing us to thugs and criminals, when in fact we are ALL professionals and decent people, indicates (to me) a nefarious agenda. I wish you peace of mind.

i never compared you to thugs and criminals, although you have been found guilty of a crime. i never even said that all pit bull owners are thugs and criminals because i don't believe that. in fact, i LOVE it when non criminal "responsible" nutters hit my radar. it's just like christmas when you are a little kid. you know why? it proves that it is not all how you raise them. as you stated previously, you trained them and treated them kindly and your dogs still murdered sheep. btw, the swastika/nazi comparison is against the pit bull, not the nutter, although sometimes it fits the nutter too.


OK... I am willing to learn.. but, please, no name calling. Can we have a honest discussion in which we can actually exchange ideas?

after your tirade, you decide on no name calling rules? i rather like to be on the receiving end of name calling but what i don't like is the name calling of victims. creep, murderer, moron, sheepfucker, curmudgeon, money mongering fool. andrew, you really do not help YOUR case. and honest discussions can only occur when both parties are able to abide by the rules.

Here is my defense - verbatim:

Small Claims Defense
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The plaintiff’s complaint states that “Defendant allowed vicious dogs to roam loose and they killed plaintiff’s sheep in violation of Code Section 3-1-6.”

I. I did not allow the dogs to roam loosely

1.They escaped from our fenced yard because the ground was soft from the rains we had;
2. I did not allow them and I was not negligent; it was an inadvertent accident;
3. After each “escape,” I endeavored to fix whatever vulnerability there was in our containment system.

when you are truly responsible for dogs "24/7", inadvertent accidents do NOT occur. one escape is an accident, the second is negligence, the third and fourth escapes are gross negligence.

II. There are no local leash laws for dogs in Indian Springs Village

andrew, you might want to amend the PBRC pit bull owner commandments, especially #7 thy pit bull will NEVER be allowed to roam free in the neighborhood. EVER! to reflect your local law.

See my Commentary in the Village Voice from 2010 in which I thank the people of Indian Springs for being so dog-friendly and such decent neighbors;

i saw "A Shaggy Dog Story*". i wonder if the judge saw it, as it proves a pattern of irresponsibility and supports the victim's charge that you allowed your dogs to roam. but i love your confession about being "a slow learner" (so sad for the sheep and their owner) and how you have finally fixed the problem of your dogs digging to china and of course the tired platitudes "never met a stranger", "media hysteria" and "nanny dogs". (for my readers, it is on page 6)

*shaggy-dog story - a long, rambling story or joke, typically one that is amusing only because it is absurdly inconsequential or pointless.

III. My dogs were not vicious

By history, my dogs were not dangerous and have never shown a propensity for aggressiveness against people or animals of any sort, including our family cats; [see photos]

they never do until they do! it is not uncommon for pit bulls to turn on later in life, they don't all scratch out of whelping box. DARLA'S pit never showed any propensity for aggressiveness until the moment he killed her.

1. I have spent over $1,100 in training and learning to train my dogs; Attachment #11
2. I am a doctoral level animal behaviorist, therefore have expertise in dog behavior;
3. My dogs have never shown the slightest aggression toward either people or animals of ANY sort; this includes the family cats; See photos;
4. Pit Bulls are not considered inherently vicious according to Alabama Supreme Court decision of 2002.

expertise in dog behavior?! spending $1100 on a dog trainer, does not make give you the right to claim expertise. regarding your claim of their lack of viciousness, this should not be accepted as truth given your obvious denial about your dogs killing sheep and various other contradictions here.

Statements against Breed Specific Legislation by ALL the major animal organization, including the American Medical Veterinary Association support my contention that Pit Bulls terriers are not vicious;

ALL is an exaggeration.

The plaintiff’s take on calling my dogs “vicious” is unsubstantiated by evidence, law, or consensus.

the plaintiff calling your dogs vicious was substantiated by the bloody evidence on his property.

It is prejudiced and may have prompted the plaintiff to kill two innocent dogs. He saw two Pit Bull Terriers in his yard, ASSUMED they were vicious and killed them.

shy of small dogs like chihuahuas and dachshunds, just about any breed of dog found at the scene would have been assumed to be vicious killers. and since you nutters are always telling us that we can't identify pit bulls, where is your evidence that he is prejudiced? where is your evidence that he knew the dogs were pit bulls? where is your evidence that he cared what breed of dogs they were? the complaint against you, verbatim, reads:
Defendant allowed dogs to roam free in violation of Code Section 3-1-6. Defendant's dogs attacked plaintiff's sheep.

IV. My dogs did not kill the plaintiff’s sheep; coyotes are the more likely culprits.

according to hobbyfarm, natural predation "Killings usually occur at night or in very early morning, when you’re normally asleep." this website also details the differences among predators, "When signs of struggle or subcutaneous hemorrhage are present, the next step is to try and confirm the kind of predator. Each species leaves its own telltale signs at a kill. For example, canid species (coyotes, dogs, wolves, foxes) tend to attack from the sides and the hindquarters, grabbing their prey under the neck, whereas cats tend to jump up on the back, biting the top of the head or back of the neck. Close examination of paw-print size and shape, tooth spacing and size, feeding habits, and pattern of killing help correctly identify the predator responsible for the kill." correction, NORMAL dogs tend to attack in the manner described above, pit bulls were bred to grip the face. photos of the mauled sheep would be helpful.

I found the dead dogs outside the area where the sheep were; there they separated by a tall fence;

The sheep were in rigor mortis, one more advanced than the other, indicating death of at least 3 hours;

i defer to the dude on the question of rigor mortis. it sounded good to me.

The dogs were warm and limp;

The deaths of the sheep and the dogs were separated by significant time, perhaps hours;

There was no blood either in or on the mouths of the dogs, nor over their faces;

Sandor, the larger, male dog, was crippled; he had the Anterior Cruciate Ligaments (ACLs)of BOTH his hind legs ruptured, bilaterally. The dog was not able to jump an inch; he could not even climb up to the bed, had to be lifted;

your pit bulls dug out of their containment and likely dug into the sheep's containment. more on SANDOR'S injuries later.

Coyotes were reported to Animal Control no more than a few yards from Mr. Snider’s property just the week before the incident on June 17, 2011.

blah blah blah. this is HERESAY and not admissible in court and so shall not be considered here as anything more than blah blah blah.

Wild dogs and coyotes were killing our pets and domestic animals as far back as 12 years ago. They still do.

maybe it was your neglected chow husky?

V. The plaintiff’s demand for payment vastly exceeds the value of the sheep.

1. Data collected off the Internet indicates that the price of Katahdin sheep, at the time of this incident was between $1.85 to $2.85 per lb. live weight;
2. Assuming an average weight of 100-to-120 lbs, even at maximum value, the price of Mr. Snider’s sheep is no more than $342.00.

this shit really pisses me off. you claim the victim took advantage of the situation and sued you for more than the sheep were worth. the data that you collected off of the internet is inaccurate and your knowledge of the law regarding livestock losses is out to lunch same as your knowledge of pit bulls and american history. my data collected off of the internet shows that the damages the sheep owner sued for were reasonable ($1350). this link is selling katahdin sheep for $300 and $450. state laws allow for the victim to sue for twice the value of livestock which puts the damages between $1200 and $1800. fyi, the weight range of adult katahdin sheep is 125 - 185 lbs (ewes) and 180 - 250 lbs (rams). i assume the victim owned a breeding pair.


From 1967 to 1971 I trained lizards to distinguish between left and right. I was working on comparative intelligence. From 1972 to 1980 I worked with cats, dogs, opossums, rats, mice, and Rhesus monkeys on different behavioral tasks that were related to sensory systems. From 1981 until 1984 I worked with rabbits on healing of wounds, and the neurophysiology of pain, using the cornea as a model (free nerve endings).

this statement is in direct contradiction with your own blog. on 12.19.07 you stated "I have trained many animals, anywhere from lizards up to Rhesus monkeys and children with behavioral problems. Never did dogs, although I had a good notion of the principles involved."



and in your statement to the court:
2. I am a doctoral level animal behaviorist, therefore have expertise in dog behavior;
i am not a lawyer but this sounds like PERJURY.

you have accused me of attacking you professionally but you have used your profession to advance your deceptive agenda in the nutter campaign of disinformation, therefore, you professionally are a legitimate target.

DubV - I didn't feel prepared to deal with dogs on a daily bases and I wanted to have well-behaved and likable dogs. I was not going go into dog ownership unprepared: it would have unfair to the dogs, to me, to my family, and my neighbors.

BTW, my son's dog was NEVER tied/chained up. In fact, after we put up the dog run and the fence, a neighbor down the street complained that since Birthie couldn't go where she wanted, his dog didn't have anybody to play with. So, Birthie was pretty much a yard dog by her choice.

this does not help your case andrew. either way, chained, kenneled or roaming at will, you are not a responsible owner. and the fact that you allowed a stinky neglected chow husky (huskies are notorious for killing and eating chickens) to roam at will, leads me to believe that you felt your highly trained therapy canine good citizens were safe to roam as well. i personally do not see any difference between chained or kenneled dog. it is a neglected dog.

April - 1. The dogs have gotten out 4 times total in 4 years. Sandor liked to wander, smell new areas, the female, Tisza, just followed him. I wrote an article to the local newsletter about the kindness of my neighbors, since, whenever "Houdini" escaped, they called me to tell me they were playing with the dogs and I can come and pick them up. I always added some additional feature to the containment areas, as I learned how they got out. I should have been more vigilant, but I honestly did not think they would ever harm anybody or anything. They had no history or inclination. They were well-adjusted, friendly, loving animals. Even my wife, who is a cat lover, liked them.

FOUR times at large. me thinks there could be more victims that you are in denial about. HOUDINI dogs REQUIRE constant visual supervision when outdoors. period. end of discussion.

2. The ACLs. I brought a emergency vet's report to Court. Sandor could walk, but always paid the price. He was exhausted after a few minutes in the yard. I had to move the feeding downstairs, because he couldn't climb the stairs anymore. The neighbor with the sheep is about 10 houses from h=ours, bu the dogs could cut through the backyards. The sheep were in an enclosure that had fences that were 8-ft tall. The man said my dogs jumped the fence. And, then, they must have out, too, because he shot them in a different enclosure altogether - that one with open gate.

this just happens to be a subject that i know a little bit about as MY dog had the same injury. he could not jump, he could walk a short number of stairs, he could step up onto his bed, although slowly and with great difficulty and pain. i agree, i don't think that SANDOR could scale an 8 ft fence. IF i believe you and that is a BIG if, how could he even dig out of your fenced property, which you admit that he did? how did SANDOR walk a mile to the neighbor? my dog couldn't have done it but then again, my dog is just a CUR. he's not a dog that you would consider owning. he's certainly no tenacious fighting dog with a high tolerance to pain.

ED FARON wrote of his pit fighters:

"The gamest dog I ever saw in my life was King David. At ten minutes, his right leg was broken. At twenty-three minutes, his left leg was broken. At thirty-seven he scratched on stumps, and at forty-eight minutes when he scratched he scratched down one wall and down the other until he got to Beau again." Page 62

"Sadie hit the front legs immediately, by the 15 minute mark she had both of Star's front legs broken and one of them was completely gone- but Star kept on scratching, we couldn't stop her." Page 78

"Ajex gradually worked his way to the top and at forty-five minutes broke on of Bandit's front legs with a loud snap. The leg dangled uselessly for the rest of the fight." Page 92

"The pup off Bandit (blinded in one eye one back leg broken, and his head, chest both shoulders and both stifles badly damaged) finally quit, coming across and standing parallel with the dog on his last scratch. At this point the ‘dogman' told the kid something to the effect of "see, I told you he was a cur like his father." Page 97

3. "Andrew, respect for neighbors would demand containment of dogs, of whatever breed, without laws demanding it." I absolutely agree. I thought I had it covered. Clearly I was mistaken.

your neighbor, his sheep and your dogs all paid for YOUR mistake.

4. Training. I worked with a guy who is an expert at dealing with "tough" dogs. He trains guard dogs for the troupes abroad in order to protect "high value assets." Aaron sent me a copy of the bill for the Court. We did Puppy, Obedience, Advanced Obedience, Hand (Silent) Signals, and Off-Leash Control. The sessions were one-on-one, at home, $75/hr.

big fucking deal. that means absolutely NOTHING.

5. You are right about the name calling. I was not aware of Dawns "project." I read it last night and I was really upset. I should have held my tongue (fingers) and waited until I cooled down. The original argument started with Dawn advocating the killing of dogs if you feel threatened. I commented that one needs to be cautious, because simply killing a dog because it is a Pit Bull can end up in a legal and financial problem for the shooter. The response was the diatribe. The man who shot my dogs got the price of his sheep and I got the value of loss of affection, loss of companionship, and the sentimental value of my dogs, NOT the value of dogs as property, as Dawn suggested. The opinion of Courts has been changing and I advise caution.

dogs are property. i included laws to all 50 states regarding the use of lethal force in self defense. most of those laws are specific to using lethal force against another human. dangerous situations that permit the use of lethal force against humans would certainly apply to lethal force against a pit bull.

were you awarded the value of the loss of affection etc or was it in fact the monetary value of your dogs and their training etc?

I will terminate my conversation here by stating that if I offended anyone I am deeply sorry and I apologize. My advocacy for these dogs comes the heart. I resent being thrown in the same bag as the criminals and cruel people who create the monsters that harm people. Luckily, I have never met any of them and I hope I never will. I, and my friends, advocate responsible ownership, regardless of breed or the type of animal you have. I believe that a properly SELECTED and trained APBT can be a wonderful dog for some people. I believe that some of the Pit Bulls should be put to sleep. I believe ALL Pit Bulls should be neutered or spayed. I just don't believe that a city agency, frequently without any training at all, should have the ability to come into my house and take my dogs and kill them because they are a certain breed.

the violence that pit bulls perpetrate against other animals is my primary focus in this swamp. even if man biters were all culled, and pit bulls were truly the most people pleasingest mutts on earth, it is unacceptable to have dogs with animal directed explosive aggression in modern society. there is no place for these dogs. they are 19th century primitives living in the 21st century. technology advances and we no longer have a legitimate need of gripping dogs and we never had a need for dogs bred for sport combat.

All of those who have been harmed by a Pit Bull, please accept sincerest apologies from me and all of us who love and care for the breed. My heart reaches out to you and I'll pray for your peace of mind and soul. May you never have a similar experience, EVER.

Kind regards to all.

you do not owe me an apology. you owe the sheep owner an apology. i haven't been physically harmed, and i don't need to be harmed to be outraged over the pit bull problem, which is ALWAYS made worse by nutter propaganda and the persecution of victims by pit bull owners.

be a good american citizen and a good pit bull owner. make PBRC proud and repeat after me:

I, Dr Andrew Rozsa, offer my deepest, most sincere apology to the sheep owner. I am very sorry for the loss of your sheep and the trouble that I caused you. I should have taken my role as a fighting dog owner much much more seriously. I should not have defamed you in town or on the internet. I bought into THE BIG LIE. I thought I was special. To Susan Thompson and Lex Kelly of PBRC, I disappointed you and all pit bull owners with my disingenuous adherence to the Holy Pit Bull Ownership Ten Commandments and I brought shame upon our community.

Sharon - see my response to April. As far as the ACLs are concerned... surgery ($4500) was schedule for 3 weeks after the dogs were killed. It was the surgeon's schedule. Since then, my present foster, Charlie Brown, has had a bowel occlusion last month and it cost $3,385 to have his surgery.

THREE WEEKS?! i have a very hard time believing that. when my dog was diagnosed, one of the BEST TPLO surgeons in the region was able to perform the surgery in a matter of 3 days. if you allowed SANDOR to suffer with that injury for (at least) 3 weeks, you are a massive failure as a dog owner. drive to atlanta or nashville if you have to, that is just plain cruel. (IF i believe your story)


i wonder if there still time for the sheep owner to file an appeal?
i wonder what the statute of limitations is for perjury charges?


andrew - you and your dogs are not special. you and your dog of choice are not entitled to special consideration.

recommended reading The Narcissism Epidemic: Living in the Age of Entitlement

the pictures are the answer

The QUESTION is: what happens when you don't man up to your "24/7" responsibility, when you allow your pit bulls to fart without permission or what did i do to deserve the wrath of craven desires.

fyi, coyotes and mountain lions do not engage in the wholesale slaughter of herds of sheep, mountain lions and coyotes do not rip off the faces of prey, homicidal maniacs, ie gripping dogs do.

http://montgomerycountypolicereporter.com/?p=46173

part one: of pit bulls and morons and bigots

“A common myth most of us intuitively accept is that there is a negative correlation between intelligence and belief: as intelligence goes up belief in superstition or magic goes down. This, in fact, turns out not to be the case, especially as you move up the IQ spectrum… once people commit to a belief, the smarter they are the better they are at rationalizing those beliefs. Thus: smart people believe weird things because they are skilled at defending beliefs they arrived at for nonsmart reasons.” ~Micheal Shermer, The Believing Brain - How We Construct Beliefs and Reinforce Them as Truths

"I will use whatever argument I think will help get my personal bias/belief across." DR ANDREW ROZSA

every now and then, i come across the author of a pit bull blog, forum thread or an on-line comment that grabs my attention. these pit bull advocates come from all walks of life. some of these pit zealots are teenaged girls, some are unemployed, tattooed losers living in their parent's basement, some are felons, many are housewives and occasionally they are successful, educated, professionals. the rainbow of pit bull advocates always share the following traits; they are new converts completely indoctrinated in the propaganda and completely hand themselves over to the crusade. in essence, they have contracted pit bull fever. this blog post is about one such pit bull advocate.

this is the story of DR ANDREW ROZSA.

on august 21, 2010 i was researching pit bulls when i found his blog, of pit bulls and morons. within minutes, i could see this was one of those devout neophytes we commonly see in pit bull advocacy. ROZSA had a grandiose on-line presence and his arrogance screamed: accident waiting to happen. the more i read, the more i realized this is the kind of pit bull owner who makes headlines. i created a folder and put links and pdfs in it and saved it for a rainy day. i've only done this about a dozen times over the years but this was the first.

as i delved deeper into ROZSA'S on-line pit bull persona, ayjayar, i was almost salivating. i found that ROZSA had signed up for 4 pit forums. even before bringing home his first of 2 pit bulls, he was trying to establish himself in the pit bull community. his intros were garrulous and narcissistic.

his pitbullforum intro was a herculean effort and worthy of its full reproduction here since PBF closed their doors to the public right after the ATTS exposé:

Howdy, folks. Let me introduce myself. I am Andrew; I live in Shelby County, Alabama in a gentrified rural area about 16 miles South of Birmingham. In this area, our major problems are slow moving turtles on the Crest, opossums, squirrels, raccoons, horse people ambling around with their neat little hats and fancy britches. We only have wood fences to keep horses in. The locals call Indian Crest Critter Alley. Dogs are everywhere. No leash laws. I have wanted a dog for years, but never had the time or dedication. Got a little Chow-Husky mix for my son about 12 years ago (from the Shelby Rescue), but he, being the child that he was, took the doggie for granted, not spending much time training her or grooming her. So we ended up with a stinky yard dog with a totally sweet disposition, but with nary an ounce of discipline or training. Not an enjoyable dog for me, but it suited my son. Birtie died last year of kidney failure at age 11. I realized that, although I never really worked with her, I missed her a lot. My wife is a cat person and she is quite allergic to cats, dogs, and most animals. So, because she loves animals, she puts up with her sniffles. The possum that is sharing the food with our outdoor cat seems innocuous, but I had to be very firm with her about not petting the little fossil.

I have a couple of vet friends and I asked them about a dog that I could have, that didn’t shed (there went my German Shepherd), that was intelligent, strong, in a need of firm handling and training, and one that would be happy sitting at my feet while I cruise the Net or work on my hobbies (fixing vintage watches and fountain pens, listenng to prog rock an, jazz, and classical music, and reading). I know dog breeds real well. Originally, being of Hungarian origin, I thought about getting one of the Hungarian breeds: Kuvasz, Puli, Komondor, or Vizsla, but I ended up eliminating them one by one, for a variety of reasons. I studied the Great Pyrenee, and Bouvier de Flandres, Then switched to the Molossers like the Argentine Dogo, Cane Corso, Fila Brasiliero, the Rottweiler, and the Presa Canario. One of the vets suggested I look into a pit bull. For the last 6 months I have read everything I could lay my hands on, watched dozens of videos, and talked to many APBT owners. I knew I found my dog breed. First weekend in October I’ll be picking up an APBT puppy from Tennessee. I did look at local rescues, but I couldn’t come up with a dog that tolerated cats (one of the cats we have, a Ragdoll, is very skittish) and was young enough to allow me to work with from scratch After reading about the plight of the APBT (and other “dangerous” breeds) I still wanted to make home for a “discard.” I also was working up the courage and commitment to walk a dog twice a day for many years, spend a minimum of 30 mins a day training, and going to weekly classes, for months on end. Out of the blue, my son’s friend tells me about his uncle who has decided to quit breeding a pair of APBTs. The dogs somehow “got together” anyway and he ended up with 11 puppies that he doesn’t know what to do with. Coincidence, you say? I think not. ;-)

I am so excited about this coming new member of the family I can hardly wait. I am postponing picking up the puppy by two weeks because we are going (flying) out of town at the end of September and don’t want to leave the puppy behind. He will be better off for 2 extra weeks with his breeder’s family - who socializes the puppies from get-go by keeping them in the house with is family and his other pets.

My wife smiles at me benignly as I accumulate adjustable crate, portable kennel, chew treats, cover for front and back seats for my car, special bully floor cover for the crate, food and water dishes, collar, leash, clickers, etc. I already picked a trainer that I am told handles bullies well and trains owners properly. I bought into Cesar Millan’s approach to Exercise-Discipline-Affection and will be getting a dog-activated treadmill for rainy or stormy days.

I am looking forward to the work that it will take to make an “ambassador for the breed.” I am also looking forward to the companionship, the play, and the pleasure a dog can give his owner. I know it will be a challenge, but I know I am ready.

It was a pleasure to find this Forum. Have been reading your postings with great interest and am looking forward to learning and, eventually, sharing my experiences with you folks.

Kind regards to all,
Andrew

a few observations.
first, ROZSA states that he lives in a rural area where loose dogs are everywhere and there are only wooden fences to contain horses, which means there are only wooden fences to protect horses from all of those loose dogs. (keep that in mind as we go)
second, ROZSA admits his stinky yard chow/husky mix was neglected and spent its life on a chain, yet had a sweet disposition until she died at age 11. he confessed that after she passed away he found that he missed her. this confession of his poor and irresponsible dog ownership habits is ignored by the PBF nutters and his dog's sweet temperament flies in the face of the propaganda ROZSA and the entire pit bull apologia love to cram down our throats, "it's all how they're raised". (more on his chaining practices and philosophy to come)
third, ROZSA'S list of potential breed candidates looks like a BSL who's who. it is abundantly clear that this man is trying to make a statement with dogs.
fourth, his first time dog owner intro directly contradicts his own "primer" which states 1. APBTs are not for everyone. Definitely not for a first-time dog owner. Ownership of an American Pit Bull Terrier demands dedication, a firm hand, willingness to commit to being responsible for every second of every minute, 24/7 of your dog's entire life. (we'll see about that.)
fifth, after he finished patting himself on the back about all of his phenomenal research on dogs and pit bulls, the pbf members chime right in with praise for his diligence and compliment him for such a great intro and they "know" he will be a great bully breed owner, while i am shaking my head and thinking the exact opposite. the camaraderie is just hysterical at the mutual admiration society, especially if you know the not-so-happy ending to the beginning of this bucolic pollyanna tale.
SPOILER ALERT: basing your research on your vet friends' advice and CESAR MILAN, KAREN DELISE and JANE BERKEY'S propaganda will NOT prepare you for the real world of pit bull ownership!

a screenshot from ROZSA'S blog

i'd really like to know... is the acceptance of chaining chow/huskys but not pit bulls a form of reverse discrimination favoring the superior master race of pit bulls?

you can read the rest of ROZSA'S primer here.

lion tamer ROZSA has had a couple of mishaps with his pit bulls. on pitbullforum.com, he started a thread titled "the picture is the answer" with the following image and caption:


barf bags are advised for ROZSA'S blatherings about how his dog's "chomps are sweeter than most women's kisses ('cept my wife's). ;-)" and "Everything Sandor does delights me, even if, sometimes, I have some blood on my arms."

hmmm... everything? keep that question in mind as we go.

ROZSA'S time on gopitbull.com was short lived and even shorter lived on game-dog.com, where the serious dogmen didn't even acknowledge him. like me, it didn't take very long before the more experienced pit bulldog owners at gopitbull to recognize ROZSA as a pompous idiot and a liability to the breed and they ran him off. a couple of the members had some fun at his expense. be sure to click on that link, it's a short but fun read. here's a taste:


ROZSA did not have much of a presence on pitbull-chat.com. i suspect he felt alienated on this forum, as this is one of the more serious, more honest forums. (more is a relative term) but ROZSA did contribute and one pitbull-chat.com thread in particular is worth mentioning.

My nose looks like I have been in a boxing match. Sandor – 6 months old – decided to take off in a different direction than I had intended – he was off “work” - and smacked my face against a tree.
What I want to know, how can a 40-lbs puppy mash a 6-ft, 200-lb man in good physical condition into a tree?
I am sure it does defy some law of physics.
And like the idiot that I am, I run him on the treadmill so that he can be stronger...sheeeesh

comments from others pbc members

Me, too. When I tell people that I was not in a War, was just playing with the puppy, they don't believe me.
So I decided to tell everybody that I am an abused husband.

now we know what a 6 month old pit bull puppy is capable of accidentally doing during rough play. in part 2 we'll explore what two adult unsupervised loose pit bulls are capable of.

"I will use whatever argument I think will help get my personal bias/belief across." DR ANDREW ROZSA

ROZSA fell off of my radar for a year. then last october, regular craven contributor DubV showed up on ROZSA'S blog which had criticized the nanny dog blog post and the truth blog in general. ROZSA was focused on the Goebbels' quote. he failed to see this was referencing propaganda and had nothing to do with nazism but of course took the discussion in that direction (see projection). DubV and ROZSA had been debating on pit bulls and morons about the nanny dog and then ROZSA suddenly just deleted all DubV's comments. if you can't beat 'em, delete 'em! (a pdf with the original comments can be read here) my guess is DubV is a little too sharp for this nutter but ROZSA is smart enough to know when he is losing. like ryan and hal, and so many other pit nutters, ROZSA'S only remaining weapon is the deletion of evidence. while i was finding and saving the evidence in web cache, DubV was finding the most delicious scandal to date.

DR ANDREW ROZSA has made statements comparing BSL to racism "do not pass Breed Specific Legislation that bans a specific dog because of the criminal miscreants who abuse the dog and the law – that’s tantamount to racism;" and sweeping statements that imply nature is nothing and nurture is everything "Quite simply, normal, well-cared-for, trained, neutered or spayed Pit Bulls Do NOT ATTACK people. EVER! There is not a single documented case in the history of Planet Earth. Not one!" (actually there are but that is straying from topic)

enter the truth, ie "an ugly, ugly political agenda"

the following is the last paragraph of a long-winded comment ROZSA left on a wired article. DR ANDREW ROZSA defends IQ differences among races of people.

On the bases of 30 years of education and 25 years of clinical practice, I will tell you, without hesitation, that anybody who thinks that there are no differences between races is either ignorant or has an ugly, ugly, political agenda. You want to set someone up for sure failure? Expect him to deliver something that he cannot. Maybe that's where Mr. Keim is nowadays, too, trying to deliver something that he cannot: the truth.

Respectfully submitted,

Andrew J. Rozsa

this comment sparked a followup article, in which the author lead with another portion of ROZSA'S comment:
It is a fairly primitive bit of knowledge that in any situation, including scientific research, the observer’s bias frequently determines the conclusion," commented reader Andrew Rozsa on the James Watson controversy and my dismissal of science that purports to show racial patterns of biologically-based differences in intelligence.

the exposure on wired lead to a disgruntled letter to the editor of the birmingham times drawing attention to the social security administration's consideration of a racist for employment.

in one of ROZSA'S blogs, he quotes the CDC, "But they also emphasize that one cannot ascertain "viciousness" based on breed."

so, here we have a highly educated man stating that genetics do not play a part in viciousness among dog breeds but genetics do determine intelligence among human races. hmmm.... "in any situation" one's beliefs determines one's conclusions.

"I will use whatever argument I think will help get my personal bias/belief across." DR ANDREW ROZSA

the blog i had planned for ROZSA never came to fruition for one reason or another and again he fell off of my radar, until may 27th, when the doctor showed up at craven desires and left the following comment on the alabama stand your ground blog post:

You are giving people bad legal advice. I proved it in Court only two months ago that shooting Pit Bulls it's going to cost you the MAXIMUM allowed by law. I hope that someone who follows your advice and gets put in prison for cruelty to animals (AND fined) will sue YOU.

i immediately emailed him, "please send me the link and i will post a retraction."

this lead to an interesting exchange between ROZSA and i. the next couple of weeks were spent researching alabama law and ROZSA's case. the short version is ROZSA'S two pit bulls were shot and killed by a neighbor on the neighbor's property when the neighbor found 2 of his sheep dead. the long version will be the subject of part two.

unskilled and unaware

of pit bulls and morons

projection

part two: of pit bulls and morons and sheep

“Sometimes people hold a core belief that is very strong. When they are presented with evidence that works against that belief, the new evidence cannot be accepted. It would create a feeling that is extremely uncomfortable, called cognitive dissonance. And because it is so important to protect the core belief, they will rationalize, ignore and even deny anything that doesn't fit in with the core belief.” ― Frantz Fanon, Black Skin, White Masks

ROZSA'S version of the events are as follows, his dogs dug out from under his fence while he was cleaning up after a storm. his dogs found their way onto a neighbor's property and as luck would have it, at the exact moment that his neighbor was discovering his dead sheep that were killed by either the mountain lion or coyotes that were seen in the area the day before. the sheep owner erroneously assumed ROZSA'S pit bulls were responsible for the slaughter of his sheep, because the sheep owner, like the rest of us, was exercising hateful ignorant stereotyping behavior towards poor misunderstood wiggle butts. the sheep owner went inside, retrieved his shotgun and killed ROZSA'S two scapegoats. it is surprising that ROZSA did not try to put forth a defense that his highly trained certified therapy canine good citizens were simply trying to SAVE the sheep from the native predators.

ROZSA told me that he was sued by the sheep owner and that he in turn filed a counter claim against the sheep owner for the wrongful deaths of his dogs. ROZSA stated "I proved in Court that he was lying, that my Certified Therapy and Canine Good Citizen dogs were not the culprits. Coyotes and a mountain lion were seen in his backyard just the day before this incident." apparently in ROZSA'S fantasy world, rumors of rare predators seen in the area meets a greater burden of proof than being caught in the act of committing the crime. ROZSA warned me of the dangers of stereotyping dogs and then explained that he had "dedicated hundreds of hours of training and thousands of dollars learning how to train dogs. I treated them kindly, like I would treat any animal or person." my interpretation is that his exemplary treatment of his dogs should be viewed as proof of their innocence, because everyone KNOWS that only abused and neglected pit bulls and those trained to be aggressive were in fact guilty of aggression. in spite of the fact that mountain lions are extremely rare in alabama (the state claims there are none) ROZSA insists on clinging to this alternative reality. even if there were documented cases of cougars in alabama, they typically hunt at night and would eat what they kill. the coyote on the other hand, is a hunter of small animals and unlikely to take on two adult sheep that are at least twice his size. lone coyotes can easily prey on lambs and packs of coyotes are known to take on adults but a pack is unlikely to roam into urban and suburban areas. a coyote would also eat what it kills.

poor andrew. he has either overestimated his own intelligence or he must not be familiar with craven desires and the truth blog. ROZSA is operating under the false assumption that he is a "responsible, knowledgeable pit bull owner" and that there is nothing that he could possibly learn from these blogs and that the mere sighting of a Goebbels quote or the pit bull banner with swastikas is proof that i am nazi/racist/bigot. he made another grave error, expecting me to believe this old con favored by pit nutters about cougars being the culprits. never trust your pit bull not to fight and never trust craven to not check out your story. i don't take anyone's word on faith, ever. i require proof, always. if nothing else, just a little bit of time spent on craven or the truth blog or america's dog and ROZSA would have discovered that i can be a bit of a pit bull too. i have friends all over the U.S., including alabama and i managed to acquire ROZSA'S court documents and the case law cited in his case. and as usual, the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

ROZSA DID NOT PROVE IN COURT THAT THE SHEEP OWNER WAS LYING. IN FACT, THE COURT DOCUMENTS PROVE THAT ROZSA WAS LYING TO ME.

screenshot of the judgment



BOTH the plaintiff and the defendant proved their cases.

first, the original claim filed by the sheep owner. the victim proved in court that ROZSA'S pit bulls killed his sheep and the judge awarded him the value of the sheep, $1350.00.

second, the counter claim against the sheep owner. the judge rendered a favorable verdict for ROZSA'S wrongful death counterclaim and awarded him the maximum allowed in small claims court, $3000.00.

ROZSA was ordered to pay the court costs.

alabama law is very clear, dog owners are responsible for the damage caused by their dog EVEN if the dog had no previous history of aggression. the counter claim is the tricky part and it required some research on my part.

Kershaw v McKown
JH McKown shot and killed CG Kershaw's dog when it attacked his goats. Kershaw (dog owner) sued McKown (goat owner) claiming the goat owner had no right to kill his dog, that his dog was more valuable than the goat and the goat owner should have shooed the dog away. the jury ruled in the goat owner's favor. the dog owner appealed. the alabama supreme court ruled unanimously "The defendant had the right to act on the reasonable appearance of things [***7] in defending his property from such attack." in ROZSA'S case, once the sheep were dead, lethal force was considered excessive and unreasonable.

in the eyes of the law in the state of alabama, with the sheep dead, the threat is considered to no longer exist. it is an undisputed fact that the pit bulls no longer posed a threat to THOSE sheep but the dogs have just demonstrated what they are capable of and to allow the killers to leave your property, potentially in search of other victims is irresponsible. that's just my opinion but i suspect that it is shared by many. additionally, if the sheep owner called 911 but the dogs were gone by the time law enforcement or animal control arrived, he would not know the identity of the dogs' owner and therefore would be unable to be made whole. it is unfortunate that the sheep owner did not appeal the verdict. clearly, this is a law that needs to be challenged, especially in light of the ever increasing popularity of pit bulls in the hands of the incompetent.

under what conditions would the sheep owner have prevailed in both cases?

in the eyes of the current law in the state of alabama, the sheep owner would be free and clear to kill the pits IF the sheep were already dead and the sheep owner knew them to have a prior history of viciousness.

the current law in the state of alabama allows the sheep owner to kill the pits IF the sheep were alive and actively being attacked or threatened with attack or IF the the sheep were dead and the sheep owner was already armed and said he feared for his safety. this is where the knowledge of "stand your ground" law comes in handy. inherent in the stand your ground laws is "no duty to retreat". some states look down on someone who removes themselves from a threat (retreats), arms themselves and then place themselves back in danger. this is one reason why it is important to always be armed and why it is critical to know your state laws. if you have access to the internet, you have access to your state's laws. (more about stand your ground in part 3)


"I will use whatever argument I think will help get my personal bias/belief across." Dr Andrew Rozsa


"On the bases of 30 years of education and 25 years of clinical practice, I will tell you, without hesitation, that anybody who thinks that there are no differences between races is either ignorant or has an ugly, ugly, political agenda. You want to set someone up for sure failure? Expect him to deliver something that he cannot." Dr Andrew Rozsa

ROZSA dedicated hundreds of hours and thousands of dollars of training. he treated his dogs kindly and yet when given the opportunity, his dogs went on a killing spree. if ROZSA did everything right, why did his dogs kill 2 sheep? if not nurture, then nature. there is not a third option. still ROZSA clings to the propaganda as evidenced by his comments post attack (6.17.11). there was no softening or shifting of his nature/nurture position. there was no diminished chest thumping of dog handling prowess.

"I will NOT engage in a nature vs. nurture argument here. I know for a fact that I can modify the behavior of the dog to conform to the needs, rules, and social requirements of the milieu in which it lives." 11.28.11

ROZSA has been presented with disconfirmation of his beliefs - killer pit dogs. that created an uncomfortable situation, so he concocted an alternative explanation - mountain lions*.

pit bull advocates will say whatever they feel will advance their cause at any given moment, which is why their propaganda weaves in and out of reality & fantasy and has so many conflicting rationalizations. this is how a highly educated successful professional can testify under oath that his dogs did not kill his neighbor's sheep, and insist that the killers had to be a mountain lion or a coyote. ROZSA has actually convinced himself that his pit bulls were innocent.

DR ROZSA proudly reproduced the PBRC pit bull owner commandments on his blog in 2008. it is still there.



how many violations do you find? an even better question would be how many violations would ROZSA find? my money is on none.

i count numbers 1,2, 6, 7, 9 and 10 as violations. the most egregious violation is #10, as it compounds all of the other violations and creates an environment where this is likely to happen again. ROZSA refuses to take any responsibility for the wanton killing of his neighbor's sheep which is evidenced by his counter claim and fantasy land excuses of natural predation. the death of the sheep was the direct result of ROZSA'S inability to properly contain and supervise his pit bulls, NOT his inability to train and nurture them.

from andrew's primer on the APBT:
1. APBTs are not for everyone. Definitely not for a first-time dog owner. Ownership of an American Pit Bull Terrier demands dedication, a firm hand, willingness to commit to being responsible for every second of every minute, 24/7 of your dog's entire life.

ROZSA has proved once again that the APBT is not for the first time dog owner, himself included. ROZSA has proved that there is no such thing as 24/7 responsibility, himself included. ROZSA has proved once again that the face pit nutters present to the rest of us is far from reality, himself included. SANDOR and TISA were ROZSA'S first APBTs, they were his first dogs. ROZSA is now officially an experienced pit bull owner and he is onto his second set of mutants. but his experience came at the cost of his neighbor's sheep and his neighbor's peace of mind. for the sake of those living around him, i hope ROZSA took this education seriously but given the tone of his comments to me "my dogs" " my money" "my time" "my rights" "my loss" "my pain and suffering", that is unlikely.

there are good reasons why pit bulls (and their owners) are the most hated in america, in any decade. thank you for the reminder andrew.

*an unsubstantiated report of a mountain lion in birmingham on 4.5.12 caused some concern but "Experts say your chances of being attacked or killed by a domestic dog are much, much greater than being attacked by a mountain lion."

part three

ROZSA'S killer pits

ROZSA'S replacement pits

unskilled and unaware

ockham's razor

cognitive dissonance

kershaw v mckown

dogbitelaw/alabama