the gifted and educated pit nutters

bumped again. i like to keep reminding everyone what role the gifted and educated pit nutters play in this mess.

Need Help Finding The Woman Who's Dog Bit Mine (Magnuson Park, Seattle)

Date: 2012-05-15, 8:27AM PDT

I'm looking for a woman with 2 female fawn colored Pitbulls. The woman is of asian descent, and about 40 tears old. One of her dogs bit my dog Sunday afternoon May 13th, in the south section of Magnuson park and needed 10 stitches. This woman gave me an non-working phone number. The vet bill that she owes me is for $800. Any help would be very apprieciated.

-Eric
206-402-9576

oh dear. FABB had better start to circle the wagons, that 40 yr old asian woman set her pitties up to fail.

i hope someone out there can help eric.



originally published march 3, 2010. in honor of the opposing views article (and to make it easier for the nutters to find - no FOI needed here!) i bumped this up for perspective. and for kicks.

Dog Nerd left this comment...

"The fact that you would take a jab at such a gifted and educated dog trainer as Stormi is pretty indicative of the level of intelligence going on here."

the fact that you left this comment is indicative of the level of gullibility among pit nutters. there seems to be a lot of epiphanies going around these days, here's hoping Dog Nerd's will be next.

i have covered a plethora of pit bull owning welfare queens, drug addicts, hoarders, thieves, sex offenders, wife beaters, arsonists and bipolar alcoholics but i am starting to get bored with them. it is time to shine some light on the gifted and educated pit nutters.

last september, there was rumor of a fatal pit bull attack at a seattle off leash park. it seemed more than a little odd that the owner of the deceased boxer did not file a report. i thought it was suspicious but i blogged it. i'm guilty.

STORMI KING at smart paws posted it at pitbullforum. in the beginning, all of the PBF nutters were angry at the idiot for "setting his pitties up to fail" and further harming the image of their mushy wiggle butts but slowly, the story turns and takes on new life. the story is a boxer was killed and a boston terrier were injured by 3 pit bulls that were accompanied by a tattooed male. he returns again a few days later and his dogs attack and seriously injure a husky. three days later and 3 pages into the PBF forum thread, KIRSTAN SANDERS (cofounder of lawdogs) shows up and claims the attack was a hoax. now all of the PBF nutters start to circle the "it's a hoax" wagons and by page 5, they are blaming colleen lynn for fabricating the story to create hysteria to support a breed ban being considered in a nearby seattle suburb. the colleen blame game was started by the gifted and educated cofounder of lawdogs KIRSTAN SANDERS. by page 6, the consensus is the attack was completely fabricated, they claim to have proof and FABB will set the record straight with a press release. the details of the attacks aren't really important right now but by page 8, there is now hysteria at the off leash park and oh-my-god-people-are-attacking-innocent-pit-bulls-at-the-OLA!! the PBF pit nutters of course believe THAT to be the gospel truth. by page 9, the PBF panties are really in a bunch as none of the news stations will touch the FABB press release. uh-oh, better blame colleen some more. need to burn off this frustration with the evil media. on page 10, it looks like PBF will finally, yet reluctantly let this thread die. STORMI KING claims that FABB has proven it was a hoax, she even sent in E-V-I-D-E-N-C-E, (?) and she provides the closing argument:

Considering this story is now well past its prime and KOMO still refuses to do a retraction, the best option has been to get the word out there thru articles and letters to people of interest. Here is a newletter including a recent article I wrote regarding the hoax:

http://www.ucladogs.com/newsltr/11_2009email.htm

I'll go ahead and add the disclaimer now that I'm pretty sure everyone here is well aware on my stance of APBTs in dog parks (and if you don't, feel free to read Red's sticky in the general section), but ya gotta massage the public a little, ya know?

massage the public?

so NOW we know what the gifted and educated pit nutters contribute to the pit bull mess! i will save you the trouble of reading "Red's Sticky" on pit bulls and dog parks and give you the CliffNotes version: don't take your pit bull to a dog park because if it kills another dog, it makes all pit bulls look bad.

so let's take a closer look at STORMI KING'S "massage":

instead of telling people who own "bully breeds" that in her honest, professional (ie gifted and educated) opinion that pit bulls do NOT belong in the dog park, STORMI KING warns them to be careful because "innocent" pit bulls have been assaulted. STORMI KING also provides a few general tips about dog parks, and offers up FABB's version of events based on their "investigation".

Through talking with direct sources, including local veterinarians, witnesses who were at the park that day, Seattle Animal Control, and the vet tech who KOMO originally interviewed, it has been proven that these alleged attacks are false. Via information gathered from the owner's friends, family, and the rescue from which she adopted her dogs, it appears her dog was in fact killed by a vehicle due to owner negligence and was not even at the dog park on that day. There were also rumors that two huskies were attacked and injured by the same mystery dogs a week later. These claims were also proved false. Although these attacks turned out to be a hoax, the concerns surrounding this story bring up an important issue of which all dog owners should be aware: safety at the dog park.

part two: pit nutter vs pit nutter, who to believe?

another dog trainer, the gifted and educated GRISHA STEWART has the REAL scoop. of course the facts collide with what FABB desperately wants the facts to be. here is STEWART'S version which unlike the gifted and educated STORMI KING, actually names the seattle animal control source.

I spoke with Kara Main-Hester, Ph.D. of Seattle Animal Control this afternoon and found the real scoop about the “attacks” at Magnuson off-leash park in October. The short version is that no Boxer was harmed in the making of this urban legend. Read on for the confirmed information.

Here are the facts of the Boxer story, as told to me by Animal Control:

•There was a senior Boxer at the water with a small dog, and there was a scuffle with pit bull – type dogs. The owner was not bald, but had short hair. He did have tattoos.

•The scuffle seemed to be of the ‘normal’ type that dog park fans see a lot of, with a lot of bluster but no injuries. I’m sure it was still scary for all involved, but dogs of all breeds do get into arguments and it sounds like this was nothing to be alarmed about.

•The Boxer was never taken to the vet, because there were no injuries.

• No report has been filed by the Boxer’s owner, and she probably wishes this would all just go away (I had heard from another source that her husband didn’t want the dog at the park in the first place). Therefore, animal control is no longer doing special patrols, just the regular ones.

• After weeks of the mystery owner being unidentified, Animal Control got her name and made a visit, 3 weeks after the events at Magnuson. The Boxer had no signs of injury and the woman reported no injuries.

Given how much this story has been stretched, I feel like we have no real information on who started the scuffle (versus it being an unprovoked attack), among other things.

The Husky incident is being dealt with by the police, not Seattle Animal Control. I’m not sure why. The Husky did get a broken leg. It may or not have been the same dogs who fought with the Husky as the previous week with the Boxer.
(grisha is protecting her fellow nutters by deleting the evidence, but i saved it. click HERE. also PBF has set their forum to private, and most likely deleted the thread but i saved it too. click HERE.)

be sure to read KIRSTAN SANDER'S comment and grisha stewart's response. it reminds me of the Aldous Huxley quote "Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored"

let's summarize:

FABB/STORMI KING/KIRSTAN SANDERS say the boxer was hit by a car and killed. there was no fight, no scuffle. the boxer wasn't even at the dog park that day.

Seattle AC/GRISHA STEWART say, there was a scuffle between the boxer and a pit bull, there were no injures and the boxer is alive.

FABB/STORMI KING/KIRSTAN SANDERS say the husky attack story was completely fabricated.

Seattle AC/GRISHA STEWART say yes a husky was attacked and his leg was broken.

from STORMI KING'S bio: Stormi is the Training Specialist for the FABB organization and writes the monthly training tip for their newsletter. She is active in helping legislators far and wide and the media gain a better understanding of dog behavior.

ONLY the truly GIFTED and EDUCATED are equipped to "help" legislators and the media understand dog behavior :)

“Oh what a tangled web we weave, When first we practice to deceive”

Lani Blaylock, Union County Dog Deputy, Forced to Remove Her Pit Bull From La Grande Elementary School During Dog Bite Safety Class

Well, the pit bull apologia is "super fired up", again. The source of this week's nation wide temper tantrum is over the injustice suffered by deputy LANI BLAYLOCK and her pit bull when she was told her pit bull was not welcome on school grounds. The target of their deranged witch hunt is Superintendent Larry Glaze and the La Grande Oregon School District.

While the cyber nutters stir the pot and rally the troops, the BLUE MOUNTAIN HUMANE ASSOCIATION are proving themselves to be petty tyrants in a twisted game of chicken. The BMHA packed up their toys and are refusing to play with the school district. If they can't use pibbles in their dog bite safety program, they will not participate at all. that'll show 'em! The BMHA will punish the children by depriving them of information that could spare them serious injury and even save their lives while simultaneously placing the blame of any injuries from future attacks squarely on Supt Glaze for endangering children while pushing their pit bull agenda.

The BLUE MOUNTAIN HUMANE ASSOCIATION was quick to take the credit for a 3rd grader avoiding serious injury when he was recently attacked by a german shepherd and applied the knowledge he learned by "pretending to be a rock". Of course the good samaritan that came to the boy's aid by "waving a white bag" and scaring the man eater away might have had something to do with the boy escaping serious injury too. (who knew a white bag could be such a powerful weapon! certainly not the group of people who even after using a blow torch! could not stop a pit bull from attacking)


"He is absolutely wonderful around children."
Deputy LANI BLAYLOCK

I don't understand why a dog is even needed to teach dog bite safety. Unless they are simulating attacks and menacing behavior.

The pit bull apologia demands justice


CATHIE FALCK, president Blue Mountain Humane Association and office manager Union county sheriff's office
“We will not be providing dog bite-safety instruction in the La Grande School District. A breed ban is wrong, it is unfair. We feel that we need to take a stand. We should not be condemning a dog just because of its breed.”
FALCK left this comment on the BMHA facebook page but it has disappeared.




PENNY EIMS, a nutter examiner is clinging to the bizarro notion that dogs can be discriminated against (mind you, the laws regard dogs as PROPERTY that you can legally muzzle, crate, kennel, leash, tether,  sterilize, vaccinate, dock, crop and tie to a rape rack) and states the "superintendent's narrow mind put the program in jeopardy" not the conduct of deputies LANI BLAYLOCK and CATHIE FALCK.


Stay at home mom and nutter examiner CARRIE McCORMICK won her 15 minutes of fame by calling the 86ing of BOMANI an "atrocity".

atrocity |əˈträsitē|
noun an extremely wicked or cruel act, typically one involving physical violence or injury

B-12 starved Vegan Warrior Princess SLOANE QUEALY-MINER has referred to the superintendent as "daft", "abusive" and "hostile" and is calling for his head. QUEALY-MINER is rallying her pit bull flash mob to bombard Glaze and the school board until they give into their demand of full reinstatement of pit bulls on school grounds. Pit bull advocacy is no stranger to valuing pit bulls above people and this nutter is no exception. QUEALY-MINER vociferously opposed the euthanasia of OREO, an abused pit bull in New York City. OREO was sentenced to death after the pit nutters at the ASPCA determined she could not be rehabilitated, a dog so dangerous she even attacked her handler. QUEALY-MINER is now dedicated to passing a law that will spare New York's most aggressive dogs from euthanasia.

can you say - histrionic?


What do we know about LANI BLAYLOCK and BOMANI?

For starters, LANI BLAYLOCK is a Union County Deputy Animal Control Officer.

In March she adopted BOMANI, an adult male pit bull of unknown history with injuries from either neglect or abuse. BLAYLOCK spent "months" training BOMANI, then began taking the male pit bull of unknown history to elementary schools to teach kids about dog bite safety.

BLAYLOCK'S other dogs are snack sized and I suspect this is BLAYLOCK'S first pit bull. The newbies are always the most rabid defenders of the breed.

On March 18th, BLAYLOCK posted a photo of her partially destroyed sofa. She attributed the damage to her "couch eater" and stated "This is what happens when your dog breaks outa his crate while you are work! LOL"

On mother's day, the animal control officer posted a photo of her hand with a single tiny tooth mark. BLAYLOCK stated she was bitten by a "lil puff ball" while walking her dogs. She jokes with a facebook friend about needing training on how to handle animals.

But the real facebook fun occurred on October 20th when Deputy Blaylock's panties were in bunch over being evicted from the school. Unfortunately, I am unable to link to it because BLAYLOCK deleted the incriminating evidence, so here are a couple of screen shots. You will want to click on them to view larger.
In this first conversation, BLAYLOCK tries to play the racist card and when a friend points out that pit bulls not people were "bred to fight and kill", BLAYLOCK shows her true colors by stating the Iraquis were bred to fight and kill.


In the second conversation, BLAYLOCK touts herself as a "highly trained" dog handler (see lil puff ball comment above) and then tries to play some kind of badge card, stating the kids were taught not to trust the judgment of cops. In essence, she is claiming the superintendent has not only insulted pit bulls but all law enforcement.




Conduct unbecoming of an officer

I find the conduct of all of these nutters unacceptable but the bullying by these two officers and the ignorance spewed about our current middle eastern enemies is down right disturbing. My hope is that BLAYLOCK was not only forced to remove her ignorant and hateful comments by her superiors but that she and FALCK were also reprimanded and forced to issue an apology to Glaze and the La Grande School District.

Law enforcement officers are held to a higher standard in their professional as well as private lives. I was unable to locate the Union County Oregon Sheriff's Code of Conduct but I have included a couple from various departments to give you an idea of what is expected from those who choose a career in law enforcement.

Union County, NC Sheriff
"The Office of Sheriff is the oldest public office in the United States. The Sheriff and his employees subscribe to the Law Enforcement Code of Ethics. Therefore they must hold themselves to a higher standard of conduct than other law enforcement officers and the general public."

Milwaukee County, WI Sheriff
"Private Life - Police officers will behave in a manner that does not bring discredit to their agencies or themselves. A police officer's character and conduct while off duty must always be exemplary, thus maintaining a position of respect in the community in which he or she lives and serves. The officer's personal behavior must be beyond reproach."

Whatcom County, WA Sheriff
"As a Law Enforcement Officer, my fundamental duty is to serve mankind; to safeguard lives and property; to protect the innocent against deception, the weak against oppression or intimidation, and the peaceful against violence or disorder; and to respect the Constitutional rights of all persons to liberty, equality and justice.

I will keep my private life unsullied as an example to all; maintain courageous calm in the face of danger, scorn or ridicule; develop self-restraint; and be constantly mindful of the welfare of others. Honest in thought and deed in both my personal and official life, I will be exemplary in obeying the laws of the land and the regulations of my department. Whatever I see or hear of a confidential nature or that is confided to me in my official capacity will be kept ever secret unless revelation is necessary in the performance of my duty.

I will never act officiously or permit personal feelings, prejudices, animosities or friendships to influence my decisions. With no compromise for crime and with relentless prosecution of criminal, I will enforce the law courteously and appropriately without fear or favor, malice or ill will, never employing unnecessary force or violence and never accepting gratuities.

I recognize the badge of my office as a symbol of public faith, and I accept it as a public trust to be held so long as I am true to the ethics of the police service. I will constantly strive to achieve these objectives and ideals, dedicating myself before God to my chosen profession...law enforcement."

Oregon State Police
"As a peace officer, I am the image of penal law and its warden. If I am to be esteemed and the law I typify respected, I must know my authority well and use it wisely. I shall neither exceed nor abuse it.

During my private and public life, I shall conduct myself with the highest degree of integrity and honesty. I shall at all times conduct myself in a manner which consistently maintains the public trust.

I shall be intolerant of dishonorable or unethical conduct by any person in the criminal justice community. As an Oregon State Police officer, I shall strive to be courageous in my professional and everyday life, and will take prudent and judicious action when faced with danger, scorn, or ridicule.

Although the way I choose to conduct my private life is a personal freedom, I accept responsibility for my actions while on or off duty. I will not become a party to conduct that is likely to, or does bring disrespect to myself, my fellow employees, or the Oregon State Police. To that end, I shall not engage in personal conduct that affects, or could be perceived to affect, impartiality in my official capacity.

I shall not use my position or authority for any personal gain or benefit. I shall refrain from seeking or accepting any gift, gratuity, or favor that is tendered, or could reasonably be perceived as being tendered, as an attempt to influence impartiality in my official capacity.

I shall bear faithful allegiance to the State of Oregon and the Oregon State Police and shall be loyal to the highest ideals of my profession. I will serve the public with due respect, concern, courtesy, and responsiveness without prejudice. I recognize the service to the public is beyond service to myself. As a police officer, I consider it a privilege, and the greatest honor that may be bestowed upon any person, to defend the principles of liberty."


You get the idea.


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Common Sense In Debate

This news article shows some rather intelligent and ginger thinking on behalf of three shelters in the Houston Texas area.

Should Pit Bulls Live Or Die?

With out knowing the history of most of these dogs,
many nutters will rally to save them

Absolutist Quote:
"Veterinarian Susan Pickle says you can take one look at her pit bull, Rosy, and know the dog is nothing but sweet."

Truthful Quote:
"In this line of work, it's very, very difficult to determine the good ones from the bad ones," said Dr. Dawn Blackmar, Harris County's director of veterinary health.

Heart Of The Article:
Just after Thanksgiving in 2006, two pit bulls attacked and killed little 4-year-old Pedro Rios outside his home in Northeast Harris County. Blackmar says she just can't take the risk of something like that happening with an adopted pit bull.

"My biggest concern is that we don't have enough information on each individual dog to be able to predict their behavior," Blackmar said. "I think the problem with any breed really is a people problem," said Christopher Newport, a city spokesmanfor BARC. "It's not the problem with the dog."

Unsurprisingly the Pro-pit veterinarian completely ignores the wise and considerate words that the other person had to say.

And of course, Bad Rap is in a tizzy about this. Calling the sound precaution as Dark Aged Thinking....

Diane Jessup: grande dame of pit pundits

the pitbullguru paid a visit to my little blog and left a link to his 13 minute documentary in praise of wiggle butts. i encourage everyone to watch it. it features DIANE JESSUP and JANE BERKEY. what a treat! i know many of you have been unable to finish the pit bull propaganda videos that i post here. if it helps, think of the Pit Bull Hoax as a lost episode of Gilligan's Island.

Gilligan Jane Berkey

The Skipper Diane Jessup

The Professor Dr Nicholas Dodman

Mary Anne Drayton Michaels

Ginger Jean Donaldson

Mr Howell Ian Dunbar

Mrs Howell was tragically killed by a falling coconut.

DIANE JESSUP enjoys an unusually comfortable position as pit bull "expert". JESSUP is universally admired by all pit bull owners (except the game-dogger demographic). she has written books, trained sniffer dogs for the police, worked as an animal control officer and unlike her good friend KRIS CRAWFORD, she is not a deranged felon. Diane is in a unique position to lie and exaggerate with absolute authority. it seems no one ever questions her integrity or "expertise", until now.

let's take a closer look at DRAYTON MICHAELS' exaggerations first. this documentary, as best that i can tell, is at least one year old.

DRAYTON MICHAELS says: "DIANE has been working with pit bull dogs for over 30 years."

DIANE JESSUP says: "Having worked with the American pit bull breed for 25 years..." 9/1/10

DRAYTON adds a minimum of 6 awe inspiring years to her resume, twice the number of years he has been a dog trainer.

DRAYTON MICHAELS says: "She has authored many books on pit bulldogs."

amazon.com says: Jessup has authored three books, actually two books. i am not sure that a novel about a talking pit bull counts as anything other than bathroom reading material.

DRAYTON redefines 'many' to further inspire the gullible masses.

DRAYTON MICHAELS says: "She is also a former animal control officer of 20 years."

DIANE JESSUP says (in public): "I have watched with horror while misinformation, downright mistruths and ignorant statements have come out of Skeldon's office. This guys is a train wreck. THANK YOU to this group for standing up to this kind of abuse of office. I was an animal control officer for 20 years, and Skeldon makes me ashamed. I now train and donate detection dogs to law enforcement. Because of the breeds I use, I would never consider donating one to Lucas County. Please get someone with some professinalism in this position. Thank you."

(Jessup adding her 2¢ to the war on Tom Skeldon)

DIANE JESSUP says (in private): "Could she maybe ditch a few of the dogs and then sneak them back in a month or so? Believe me, AC doesn't check back."

(this is JESSUP helping someone continue to violate animal law in tacoma. this is her "expert" response to a woman who has been cited for dog at large and told by animal control that she is over the legal limit with 6 dogs and 4 cats and she has to get rid of some.)

i can't really fault DRAYTON here, i doubt that he follows JESSUP as closely as i do.

as you saw above, pit bull advocates have two personas. the one they share with the public and the one they share with each another.

here's my favorite "just between you, me and the fence post" pit nutter comment. this is the pit bull expert DIANE JESSUP on the ATTS:

"Would just like to mention that anyone entering with an American pit bull should keep in mind that the passing states are used to our advantage the past few years. Every failing dog takes us down a notch - so make sure you enter sound dogs! Thanks!" 3/31/08

(woops, looks like that link has been killed. not to worry.)

click to view it at 100%.

what is really pathetic about this comment is not just that she knows these scores are skewed and she encourages people to skew them even further (ie CHEAT) but with her knowledge of dogs, particularly in the protection sports, she KNOWS that it is unfair to compare the ATTS scores of pit bulls, german shepherds, malinois, dobies and rottweilers to the ATTS scores of border collies, labs, dachshunds, cockers and chihuahuas. it's apples to oranges, plain and simple.

DIANE JESSUP states publicly that she admires pit bulls for their loyalty, stability, sensitivity, eager to please, never say die attitude but then names them:

Crazy Kate, Dread, Grim, Maulie, Bad, Freakshow, Amp, and Hellboy. she gets a vanity plate for her van that says "1BADPIT", has a "nocurs@comcast.net" email address and promotes insulting t-shirts like this

two faces.

FABB founder

FAITH HYNOSKI of seattle dog works

follow faith on twitter and FABB twitter as she follows the antics of the PIT BOSS, SHORTY ROSSI, promotes karen delise books and fight bust dogs, the ONLY truly dangerous breed: cocker spaniels and whines about not being able to walk around the neighborhood "without being assaulted by off-leash dogs!" right back at ya slick!

Dear Editor:

After listening to KUOW’s “The Conversation” on September 10 about pit bulls, as well as learning about the horrific recent attack in Seatac, I am compelled to write a letter to the editor with a story that is eerily relevant.

This past Sunday, September 7, my yellow lab Sam was viciously attacked by a pit bull owned by the founder of F.A.B.B. (Families Against Breed Bans), at the grand opening of a friendly new dog store (Zak and Zoe) on Phinney Ridge. The attack was witnessed by many, and all were horrified. Everyone was also struck by the irony of the incident: the attack happened after we had all been standing around outside the store, calmly listening to the owners tell us about the sweetness of pit bulls, and how it is the owner’s fault when pit bulls become violent. They had come to the grand opening event to make their cause known, handing out flyers and “educating the public” about pit bulls. And then, after 15 minutes of standing with them, chatting, all dogs on leashes, without any notice or provocation or visible signs of aggression whatsoever preceding the attack, their pit bull turned violently on our dog and locked his jaws on Sam’s neck. Let me be clear, this was not in any way a fight. Sam was just standing there (he’s known in our area as ‘the sweetest dog on the planet’) — this was an unprovoked attack.

After minutes (which seemed like hours) of watching our dog scream while their pit bull held Sam’s neck in his jaws, while no one, not even the dog’s owner was able to release him, finally somehow he was freed. We immediately took Sam to a quiet place nearby, where he stood shaking uncontrollably for nearly 1/2 hour, with a racing heartbeat. A dog specialist who happened to be on the scene generously offered to work with him to keep him from going into shock. She said that given what she had just witnessed, she was very surprised that half of Sam’s face wasn’t ripped off. Many of us believed he was about to be killed right then and there, at Greenwood and 74th, on the sidewalk, with our families (including our 5-year-old daughter) all around.

My husband and I did report the incident to the police, and it is going, uncontested, on public record, with a citation issued to the pit bull owners. The day following the attack I received a phone call from a member of the F.A.B.B. organization and was told that “the woman whose dog it was has stepped down and is no longer in charge of the group”.

You can imagine my irritation while listening to yesterday’s guest on KUOW, representing F.A.B.B., three days after this attack, as she defended the ever-popular notion that “it’s not the breed, it’s the owner,” and that these are sweet dogs, completely trustworthy in public. I believe these particular owners to be caring, well-meaning people, offering a loving home to their pit bulls. It is my understanding that the dog that attacked Sam had been through some training, and was thought to be very sweet, and fine in social situations with people and other dogs. These are the good, conscientious, caring kind of pit bull owners. They just happen to have a dog whose predecessors were bred to fight and to kill, and so there can be a predisposition in all these dogs that is genetic, and can lead to unpredictable, dangerous behavior.

I would like this story brought to light, and readers can make what they will of this incident. I would not feel right knowing that our story went untold, in the midst of this heated discussion. At the very least, as a public service message, I think people need to know that it is illegal for a dog to bite another dog in Seattle (as of 2003). Even our wonderful dog trainer (voted best in Seattle 2008) didn’t know that this was a reportable incident.

Irene Mitri

Seattle, WA