the no kill kooks at lexus project and a toledo pit nutter/rescue angel are having a public dispute.
good times.
part 1
part 2
part 3
part 4
part 5
part 6
part 7
part 8
part 9
part 10!
thanks to scorched earth for following these lunatics and bringing this scandal to our attention.
280 comments:
«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 280 of 280April,
“Child, Poodles are NOT known for high prey drive and killing small animals. Poodles are retrievers repackaged into cheerful and elegant companions. I think you are thinking of JRTs here.”
Again, I neither wrote nor implied that ALL poodles have a high prey drive and kill small animals. All I said is the poodle caught a chipmunk and goes after squirrels.
I consider that a prey drive. Not particularly common in the breed or something they were bred for. Just something this one particular dog does.
“The possibility has been raised that you are a nursing student but I would not put much faith in that one. When I was in nursing school I didn't have the kind of time it takes to generate the comments you leave on multiple blogs.
"I’m in my mid-20s, still attending college. I have a degree in Psychology and I’m attending medical school with the future goal in mind of becoming a Psychiatrist."
Scary shit." I'm with you on this one DubV.”
Have you ever seen me write on these blogs before? I’ve been reading them off and on for months. I had no intention of sitting here wasting my time writing comment after comment.
Maybe if you people were actually as intelligent as you claim to be and could actually read proper English instead of twisting everything I say and claiming absolute bullshit as fact I still wouldn’t be on here trying to make your illiterate asses try to understand what the hell it is I actually wrote verses what it is you continue to claim or “think” I’m writing.
Scary for what reason? Because I want to help people like the people in my family that suffer from bi-polar disorder. Or depression. Or anxiety like myself. Perhaps because I want to help prevent people from dying from a drug overdose like someone else in my family did because of various mental health issues, mostly depression. Maybe, I just want to understand why it is that people act the way they do and say the things they do.
The people on this blog would be a fantastic case study. Actually, I would love to try doing an EEG exam on all of you. See what happens when you hear or see the word pit bull. Apparently from the observational perspective you’re brains all just shut down, rational thought ceases to exist, and you see and read things that are clearly not said and interpret things in a way that is completely irrational.
freya
Freya, yes child, I have seen your term paper length comments on other blogs. I could not wade through them line by line. Life is too short for that. Have a point and reach that point before you turn your potential reader to stone.
Try looking to your own thought patterns for psychological insights. There is a LOT going on there.
howcome the female ones are usually either vet techs , medical techs or hygenists ? i actually had a big one threaten to do me some harm if i ever came into her medical lab . multiple needle sticks or infect me with a ghastly disease probably.
very professional ! .... wonder if she put pitbull terrorist on her resume?
there were two people i linked to. one had a degree, the other was working on a degree.
she told me to stfu and read her essays . like she gonna teach me somethin. like we havent heard it all before from all the previous nutter do-gooders that have come here, regurgitated their bully shit and left with their knickers in a twist .
"Maybe if you people were actually as intelligent as you claim to be and could actually read proper English instead of twisting everything I say and claiming absolute bullshit as fact I still wouldn’t be on here trying to make your illiterate asses try to understand what the hell it is I actually wrote verses what it is you continue to claim or “think” I’m writing. "
None of the posters here have problems with their reading comprehension.
And it's hard to know what you "actually wrote" when you delete your posts.
Nobody is "twisting" or distorting your position(s). You are being judged on the basis of your own words--what you, yourself, have proffered.
You're a disingenuous asshole, Freya. You are arguing in bad faith.
You are so misunderstood and picked on. That must be the pits.
;)
maybe freya is a pitbull.
Freya L said "My first post ONLY had something to do with reputable breeders."
If my memory serves me correctly your first comment here was in response to my first post on this thread. Though it appears to be gone.
I did not bother to respond to it at the time. I figured you were just dropping by.......
Was Freya the one who deleted the comment at 2:34 PM...?
Un-freaking-believable! What kind of awful problem with impulse control do you have to write comments that you immediately delete...ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'VE DONE IT IN THE SAME COMMENTS THREAD REPEATEDLY?
I deleted the 2:34 comment.
Had left out a word that made me sound incoherent. = )
I had no excuse as I was fully caffeinated at the time.
ok never mind
Sorry for the accusation, Freya.
P.S. Putme Incharge, I can't imagine you sounding incoherent.
her first post was lamenting poor irish car bombs treatment , fearing he might commit piticide and or suicide....lol
i think freya was so disgusted with my honesty and insight re carbum , she followed me back here to educate and rehabilitate me and make me a benefit to society . she probably thot i would even adopt a pitbull afterwards lol
@ snarky,
LOL!
naw ...theres not a shit-bull in my near future.
well, i could pull its fucking teeth out .
naw ....theyre too dam ass ugly.
well, maybe i would grow to love it .
naw ..... the farting would be too much , even for me .
well could both go on a raw meat diet .
naw , i think ill just stick with a regular dog.
Freya,
We are not responsible to interpret your words as you'd like us to. We as readers can only interpret them within the conventions of the English language, the context of your post, and the larger context of the various exchanges going on here.
If someone does take you the wrong way, then tell them specifically what they got wrong BUT in a compact manner. NOT with a paragraph introduction to each thing.
If you'd like to be understood, then the best thing to do is to write more briefly and/or more precisely (people often benefit from reverting to simpler sentence structures).
If you want to write a good bit of text, then use appropriate paragraph breaks and also make the material more dense in information. As others have remarked, when someone drones on at length in a way that you are getting maybe 1 new thought per 1,000 words, then people won't bother to carefully read what you have wrote.
Branwyne wrote several long comments here, and I was able to quickly read them and understand her exact points. Please examine how she was able to pull that off.
Dawn,
“there are huge differences in med schools. is nutter in a med school listed in the top 100 best? is nutter even in a FIRST world med school? how do we know she is not typing out these comments from her haiti dorm room”
I’m in the wonderful USA.
“can say with absolute certainty that the majority of people who choose to work in the field are trying to work out their own issue. that is true at the lowest and highest levels and everywhere in between”
See, there you go. Sounding arrogant. Yeah, I suffer from severe anxiety. I’ve had panic attacks. I wake up some days feeling such a great sense of dread that it feels like the world will fall apart around me.
When my brother died from a drug overdose, that’s when I decided I wanted to help people suffering from mental health issues. Actually, it would have been his birthday today. He died when he was 28.
“fucking pit nutters want to lump all degrees of bites, punctures, gashes, maulings, amputations and fatalities into one category called bites and then nick pick 50%, 70% 100% carnivores.
WTF?”
I never lumped anything together. Actually numerous times I said that I thought pit bulls were dangerous and had the most potential for danger. I’m also not ignorant of the fact the huskies are listed as the number 3 most dangerous breed nor that GSDs are number 5. As S.K.Y made perfectly clear he’s met many with issues. So if anyone is a nutter it would be the idiot thinking they can trust their dogs alone around children or anyone instead of being responsible and acknowledging the fact you own a dangerous dog. I, at least, admit it.
MARGO,
“I call bullshit.
If Freya's in med school, I'll eat my shorts. “
-Please do.
“Med school doesn't require a lot of critical thinking skill, but it does take a certain type of personality (IQ and monk-like OCD), and this chick doesn't have it.”
-Since you obviously don’t know me that it is a pretty ignorant statement. But, since we are throwing insults around, here’s a little tidbit. You don’t need to use a word like proffered in a mundane statement in which offered would suffice. You’re not writing a research paper, you’re replying to comments on a blog. It does NOT make you seem more intelligent, it just makes you sound arrogant and like you’re trying too hard.
“And do you know what it takes to get into med school...?”
-Obviously I do.
“I couldn't get into med school, and I've got a master's and did well on the GRE! “
-Perhaps you’re previous problem with excessive drinking might have something to do with that.
“And the med students I've met hardly have time to do their laundry, much less type pages-long screeds on pit bull war blogs. “
-Let’s not exaggerate. I have plenty of time to live a normal life outside of med school. Perhaps the people you met had issues with time management. Regardless, the amount I’ve been writing is taking me maybe 5-10 minutes the most. Not a significant amount of time that would actually have any impact on my responsibilities.
“What percentage of med students majored in psych? I need to look this up.”
Hopefully you did. Maybe you would have learned something new. Like the fact that plenty of liberal arts majors make it into med school in this day and age.
Oh, one more thing:
“she told me to stfu and read her essays . like she gonna teach me somethin. like we havent heard it all before from all the previous nutter do-gooders that have come here, regurgitated their bully shit and left with their knickers in a twist .”
Snarky, you told me you hope I get scalped and mauled by my dog. I personally don’t like you so that was why I was harsh with you.
The other person I called a dumb ass because they misconstrued what I had wrote about available dogs in the northeast as being about pit bull dogs when in fact, it was not.
Again, this is what I mean by insane. There was never any “bully” shit, cute by the way, but I was in fact just talking about all dogs in general.
Oh and April, the psychological reasoning behind my constant need to reply is a defense mechanism. I’m feeling attacked by irrational people and I feel the need to defend myself. Rationally, you people don’t know me and your opinion shouldn’t matter. In a way it doesn’t. I just don’t like being misunderstood and judged based on things I really don’t actually believe but people insist on thinking I do for whatever reason.
As the last poster said, There is only so much you can understand from writing. I understand a lot of it might have to do with my ability to put my thoughts and feelings into words that you can understand. I also think a lot of it has to do with your beliefs about anyone owning a pit bull and you put the things you think I would believe as that person into what I’m actually writing.
Freya, learn your homonyms before you criticize someone else's choice of words.
I have a son in pre-med. I know what it takes for students. There is no freaking way you are in med school.
Most liberal arts majors know the difference between your and you're.
Freya is too in med. school. She sits next to Tia Torres' daughters.
Freya,
"Oh and April, the psychological reasoning behind my constant need to reply is a defense mechanism. I’m feeling attacked by irrational people and I feel the need to defend myself. Rationally, you people don’t know me and your opinion shouldn’t matter. In a way it doesn’t. I just don’t like being misunderstood and judged based on things I really don’t actually believe but people insist on thinking I do for whatever reason."
If you are uncomfortable with being judged you may have chosen the wrong prfession. I have done some PRN work in a psych facility. The regular staff enjoyed analyzing and labeling not only the patients but each other, family members, and visitors. Borderline, OCD, every body had a label. This was stunning to watch, the workplace norm, the ultimate judgmental workplace.
As Dawn has observed, people enter this profession to work through their own issues. The number and length of your responses here border on OCD. The condition can be debilitating, I understand and sympathize. I also sympathize with you on the loss of your brother.
We are not the hard hearted "irrational" "dumbasses" that you think we are. You have voluntarily entered the internet version of a local bar. Folks commenting here regularly are well known to each other and we understand each other. Margo's vocabulary is not a problem. She is a VERY intelligent woman and her insights are always valued. Margo does not dumb it down for anybody. Snarky is the same, a valued member of this community. We understand his thoughts and his verbal style. He makes us laugh and he makes us think.
You can't demand acceptance. That has to be earned. As a psych major you should understand this.
*profession*
April29 and Dawn,
I agree, there seem to be many in the mental health profession who probably should not be in the field. I am told that folks with mental issues are discouraged from becoming mental health care providers. I have yet to hear about anyone denied except for the most extreme cases.
As far as Freya being picked on, compared to what I've read from some of the rude pit nutters that have posted here, you'd think we are courting Freya.
"You don’t need to use a word like proffered in a mundane statement in which offered would suffice."
Proffer and offer do not have identical meanings.
Also, two people's idea of a "big fancy and unneeded word" can be very different based on various things.
Jim,
Your GSD is beautiful. People say to make our command simple for the dogs, but I can use the same command in different circumstances and they perform differently based on the context of the command. It's probably a good sign of intelligence.
It seems GSDs do understand context, a difficult thing to understand for a dog. They start understanding context by age 2 or 3 I think.
Many people miss my first GSD. They say he seemed so human and I agree.
Raven is not my GSD (would that she were) I have a West German Showline dog.
And yes, at times he seems fairly close to human in his understanding.
Context is king with dogs, in fact some behaviors will not transfer to a new context which is why dogs who are picture perfect obedience dogs in the ring can be less obedient out of it, or perfect in your own yard but a willful brat out of it.
My boy has different gear for each sport we participate in and he responds accordingly. It's an interesting phenomenon.
My older one is a Canadian DDR combo. My younger one, I believe, is some type of working line. He's only around 85 lbs and very drivey. Both dogs seem to have good hardness and my younger one is definitely sharper. He does have good bite control, but less bite inhibition. Someone would be more likely to have their skin broken if they pulled away as he doesn't bite, he just enjoys holding things with his mouth.
But hey, according to pit nutters, it's "all in how you raise them".
hey, maybe one of you GSD fanciers can confirm something i read about the working german lines. the caucasian ovtcharka was crossed into the east german shepherd, increasing its aggression, size and fur.
Dawn,
Jim is much more of an expert than me, but I'll give it a try.
There are times when a look into mixing new (to the GSD) genetic material into a bloodline. I don't know if it's been done with the GSD. When this is done, it's to produce a dam or sire who's less likely to pass unhealthy genetics making the bloodline less likely to pass on unhealthy genes that may afflict a breed (HD, EPI). I believe it's done between GSD bloodlines rather than other breeds. I'm positive Jim can explain it better, but my guess is no, they haven't bred a Caucasian Ovtcharka into the bloodline.
It's supposed to be well documented, sanctioned, and strictly controlled. I don't think looking for more aggressive offspring is an acceptable reason, unless it's a pit bull, APBT, or whatever the fuck they call them these days.
With regard to freya's statement that no one should leave their child alone with a dog, ever...I do. I have done it since I brought the dog home as a 9 week old puppy, when I had a 5 and 8 year old. I answered the phone, answered the doorbell, used the bathroom, cooked supper, you know lived like a normal person in a normal household. The dog was often in the living room with the kids while I went about my day. I didn't keep the dog in a crate all day while I did these things, I didn't tie him to a waist leash and drag him around the house with me, or lock him in the bathroom with me while I took a shower. No one, really, can live like that.
As my kids got older, my dog was left alone in the house with them if I had to run a quick errand, or pick my husband up from the train station. Some times, my daughter would take the dog upstairs with her to her bedroom, and they would lay on her bed together while she played. Sometimes my son would take him out in the backyard and play with him...he won't retrieve anything, but he loves a good game of "chase me". I in no way supervised any of these interactions.
Today my daughter is almost in high school, and my son is a 6'2", strapping young man. Every day, the first thing he does when he walks through the door, is NOT greet his mother, but drop to his knees to hug and pet that dog. My daughter probably spends as much time talking to the dog as she does to me, and most evenings she and the dog are curled up on the sofa together watching TV.
This is how millions of normal families with normal dogs live everyday in this country. This is how life is supposed to be with a family dog. If for one moment, I really believed that I couldn't leave a child alone with an animal, I wouldn't allow that animal in my house.
I think it's tragic that dangerous dog apologists insist that children should be robbed of the joy of living with a real FAMILY dog, in order to justify dangerous behavior of dogs with unstable temperaments.
Jim,
“Freya, learn your homonyms before you criticize someone else's choice of words.
I have a son in pre-med. I know what it takes for students. There is no freaking way you are in med school.”
-Again, you are in no place to know that. You don’t personally know me. You don’t know how hard I’ve worked in my life to get to where I am. You can think whatever you want but you just sound ignorant. That’s perfectly fine with me.
"Most liberal arts majors know the difference between your and you're.”
-Sure. I know that difference. I’m not an idiot. Out of all the shit I wrote that’s the only thing you can say? Good for you. I’m happy you type so slowly you can pay attention to every word you write. I have shit to do. I don’t actually typically type the word your out that often. More often than not I write you’re. It’s not a problem of not knowing the difference. It’s a problem of habit.
April,
“If you are uncomfortable with being judged you may have chosen the wrong profession. I have done some PRN work in a psych facility. The regular staff enjoyed analyzing and labeling not only the patients but each other, family members, and visitors. Borderline, OCD, everybody had a label. This was stunning to watch, the workplace norm, the ultimate judgmental workplace.”
No I’m perfectly fine with being judged. By people that are actually in a place to judge me. I can honestly judge myself right now. I have anger problems. I get it from my father. He’s angry and pessimistic person. He also is really outgoing and talkative. He’s a true extrovert. Literally stops and talks to people, usually retired marines, in the grocery store. My mother lets people walk all over her and she’s too nice. I despise that. She’s also very shy. I have terrible anxiety and I’m horrible around large groups of people. I’m an introvert. I get that from her. I don’t always stand up for myself and I’m too nice at times. Obviously I’m complicated. I’m the kind of person that gets mad at a friend if she’s mean to some old man at the store but will keep my hand pressed on the horn and drive right next to some guy giving him the finger if he cuts me off in traffic. Do I necessarily think that’s normal? Not really. At least I acknowledge it though.
You might think that has something to do with maturity. Trust me it’s not. I grew up in an area where you’re more likely to get the finger than a “hello”. Actually, I accidently cut off some woman, looked in her late 40s, she blew her horn and gave me the finger while we were stuck at a light. As soon as that light changed, she sped up, went around me, and then cut me off. This continued to go on for about 5 minutes back and forth. I was 18 at the time. Again, she was 40.
That’s the world I was brought up in. Perhaps you’re from the south? People are extremely nice down there. Strangers wave at you, the lady behind the checkout counter calls you “sugar”. It’s really a nice peaceful existence. People are probably less angry down there so it might be hard to relate.
When I’m being judged as something I’m not. Such as somebody that isn’t smart enough to get into med school when I personally know I busted my ass to get where I am today in my life? It pisses me off. Again, it shouldn’t really matter what some random person on the internet says. As far as I’m concerned, you people don’t really exist in my world. Again, anger problems.
I, for all intents and purposes, had decided to come on here to apologize.
In particular to Margo, because honestly I don’t like being that mean person. I don’t agree with it and I don’t like being the type of angry person that lashes out at people. Even if they chose to insult me and pretend they actually know a damn thing about me.
I try to live according to Buddhist philosophy. I honestly believe the only reason we exist on this earth is to be more loving and compassionate beings. Hence why I stood up for some stranger that Hone, on the other blog, was being mean to. Hence why I was saying you people were mean and it wasn’t right. I typically am a nice person. Again, I don’t let people walk all over me, I will stand up for myself, and I will fight back. Genetics and environment have brought me up to be the type of angry bitch I was being. I can only acknowledge it and try to change myself to be a better person. I’m only human, everyone has their issues, and everyone makes mistakes.
As of right now, I’m just going to stop because the reality is this isn’t healthy. I’m done arguing. I’m sincerely sorry if offended, was rude, or just down right mean to any of you. I apologize if you think my purpose of coming on here was to inform you or argue about them in any way, shape, or form because the reality is that was never my intent.
There’s one thing I am really interested in though. A lot of people on here seem to know a lot about canine nutrition. Now, when I say I did a lot of reading, I really did. I never went out to get a book but I tried.
My dog was suffering from organ problems. He wasn’t eating the Science Diet prescription LD they had given me. I searched online and found a special diet for him. I had switched him to a homemade diet of mostly potatoes, some veggies and fish. It took to months for his Alk. Phosphate levels to go from off the charts to back to normal.
When he was better I tried switching him back to a high-quality kibble. He started throwing up and having diarrhea.
I switched him back to the homemade diet but I knew I couldn’t keep him on it because it didn’t have a sufficient amount of protein in it to maintain his overall health. So after reading about the raw diet and felt that it would be the best thing for his health.
S.K.Y, your particular post about raw fed dogs having more health problems honestly scares me. I don’t want my dog’s health to be at risk. I honestly didn’t want to acknowledge that you might be right because I tried so hard to make sure I was doing the best I could for my dog and knowing I might be putting his health at risk instead of helping him obviously upsets me.
So if anyone can agree to start a fresh page and to forgive me for my previous lashing out and anger issues and perhaps provide me with some good books or links to some articles about canine nutrition and healthy diets for dogs I would greatly appreciate it.
~Blessed Be.
freya
u were right , i dont really know u well enuf to want u scalped but i do know a certain type that maybe should be scalped , not by me u have to understand , but by the mutants u harbour. if u are upset by the prospect , pls dont blame me , i am just the messenger.
sparky
freya
u come here to a hater site and tell us your mutant is sick , not eating , puking and having diarhea ....... now that is stupid . make my day , why dont ya .
"I try to live according to Buddhist philosophy. I honestly believe the only reason we exist on this earth is to be more loving and compassionate beings."
and yet you choose to own a dog, as april 29 puts it so beautifully, that was bred for an activity so violent it is a felony in all 50 states.
wow.
Ovcharka loosely translates to shepherd. That may be the source of confusion?
DDR breeding was tightly controlled. Although I cannot say with 100% certainty, it is doutbful any outcrossing to other breeds was done.
As for Freya.... I don't even know where to begin so I simply won't.
"This is how millions of normal families with normal dogs live everyday in this country. This is how life is supposed to be with a family dog. If for one moment, I really believed that I couldn't leave a child alone with an animal, I wouldn't allow that animal in my house.
I think it's tragic that dangerous dog apologists insist that children should be robbed of the joy of living with a real FAMILY dog, in order to justify dangerous behavior of dogs with unstable temperaments"
AMEN!
Dawn,
I didn't realize Buddhists are so fucking long winded.
"As for Freya.... I don't even know where to begin so I simply won't."
i know the feeling, i haven't been reading her essays but i do try to keep an eye on the comments in general and i catch glimpses of her essays here and there and that comment demanded a response.
"I didn't realize Buddhists are so fucking long winded."
:-)
its not buddhists that are long-winded , its idiot pitlovers that want to educate us , tell us what to think , feel , believe and do . like none of us could possibly have valid reasons for not liking fucking shitbulls.
Wow, is anyone noticing how if you get discussing with a pit freak the comments quickly go into the hundreds?
That's what happens when you let yourself get sucked into an endless loop.
its the "little people" .....they pop up sometimes an dance before our eyes, taunting us , saying we,re ignorant , psychotic,hatefull and our chihuahuas are incredibly dangerous to their children.
then we just seem to make them mad , they zoom around like angry little hornets , buzzing and deleting , saying their done , theyr thru and theyre gone , presumably back to some utopian little people place where shitbulls are nanny dogs and common sense comes outa a pill bottle .
little fat people with short legs and bad dress sense who have unicorn tattoos and blue hair and brush cuts. usually they work as diminuative vet techs or lab workers taking blood and urine samples or they make a living scraping dental tartar from human or canine subjects. sometimes they even have degrees although this is not common. dont ask me why.... cuz they are not really a breed of person at all. they are just "the little fat people".
Lexus Project found a patsy. I can't believe anyone is that stupid enough to take over their liability, but they apparently found the right nutter. Or, TLP probably suspects Bones is dead and just want to wash their hands of the whole debacle. Either way, all this drama over one dangerous dog. Think of how many good dogs they could have saved.
Bones Battle,
"We finally received an email from a group about 40 minutes from where Bones was last seen. They have however asked us not to go public with their information. We have signed ownership over to them and have told them we will do whatever they ask of us in order to help them."
What is this shit? Is a pit nutter or pit nutter group asking for money?
Sounds like a scam, but pit nutters will fall for it and donate money. Been a scam since they started the Bones saga.
The Lexus Project, Legal Defense for Dogs,
"Friday
TGIF!We need our pit bull friends to help our greyhound friends as we have helped the pitties
so often. Please make a donation. We go to trial on march 11.
Stunning silence from pit bull advocacy"
Pit bulls and their owners will suck the life out of all other breeds, Greyhounds included. LOL!
They left a few passive aggressive notes on their Facebook page about how ungrateful the nutters were after they had "helped them so much". So they got a dose of "If it ain't pit, it ain't shit" too. Haha.
LOL!
Yeah, but remember Orangedog, the pit bull fighting dog is "just like any other dog".
Pit nutters can never make up their minds. It's whatever is convenient at the time.
I'm not sure how I got here, I was link surfing from off Cracked, and next thing I know I'm on an anti-pit bull site.
Thugs, backyard breeders and pit nutters are ruining the breed. The first two by the product they're producing, the last by defending the dogs being produced by the first two. True lovers of the breed recognize that it's better for the breed to not to save all of them. MOST of the pit bulls in shelters should be put down because they are not stable dogs. MOST of the dogs being bred, be they pure breds with the AKC, UKC or ADBA, should NOT be bred, and NONE of the unregistered dogs should be bred.
I wish there was a requirement that dogs, especially pits have to pass temperament tests in order to be bred, but that would just increase the ATT CGC fraud. But if people are going to breed, then they need to breed right. because too many are breeding these dogs wrong increasing the bad rep these dogs have, and at the same time needlessly causing innocent people, adults, children and babies to be mauled, scarred for life, and even killed.
I love pits. There is something about them that is different, it's unique, it's special. But reading what I have read on the net, seeing what I have seen on the news... I understand why so many hate my dogs. I understand why so many fear my dogs, and I understand why so many want to ban my dogs. I am no apologist, I really don't blame them. The worse part of it is it's the pit bull lovers that are ruining it for other pit bull lovers, by producing what you call frankenmaulers.
Even though we are on opposite sides, of the dog debate, I think we have a meeting of minds more than we don't. It could be wishful thinking. I want to say my brief time here was well spent, and I have enjoyed the random articles I did read to try to understand more of your position. Perhaps if more pit bull people took the time to see past the hate, they can see what I have seen, the fear, anger and frustration, not directed so much at US, but at the pit nutters that think that every pit bull is perfect, it's not the dog, it's the owner, and that their dog is just like a labrador...
I don't THINK I have been defensive. I know that the dogs in the stories on this blog are NOT my dogs, and they could never BE my dogs. Bones would soon be actually bones, Piney would be taking the long walk down the green mile, and Isaboo would be saying boo (if dog ghosts said boo) were they my dogs. But people see my dogs, and they think I'm one of the problem owners, and assume my dogs are one of the problem dogs. And we catch flack for being guilty by association.
I have enjoyed reading what I have read, and I shall return another time. Right now, I'm a little depressed and sad for my breed, because the breed stewards are failing at their job. So I am going to head back to Cracked and read some funny stuff for a while
That's a lot of effort, time, and money for a dog that should have been put down in the first place.
Even after all that, the pit grifter who got him somehow dirt naps him.
Pit nutters are psycho.
Sheesh!
I checked out the update on Scorched Earth. Can't comment there, so I'll comment here.
First: reading the comments was a fun walk down memory lane. Freya was quite a piece of work. Oh, she hated me for gloating that she wasn't a med student. The odd thing is that I think professional dancing--exotic or not--is a perfectly honest profession. I even admired her talent. I couldn't dance with a gun to my head.
Anyway...Bones. What a clusterfuck. I love how the Lexus Project spends zero time examining their behavior and the thinking that led to this predictable disaster.
At least Bones is dead. That is good news.
I like starting my day reading a pit bull story with a happy ending.
Actually, the update was updated again this morning.
As Miss Margo stated "What a clusterfuck."
Oh boy, The Lexus Project conducts an illegal search on property they don't own! None of their findings are admissible in court.
Maybe the legal profession isn't for them.
This is the story that just keeps on giving.
LOL, and I might add - an illegal search for a dog they don't own either.
How can people as incompetent as the Lexis project be trusted to make decision about putting dangerous dogs in residential communities? This proves they can't be. Shut them down and shut them up.
I have seen the Lexus Project referred to as an animal rights group. It isn't.
The Rosenthals are into greyhound racing (the greyhound breeder lobby is as rabid as the pit lobby against any kind of regulation) and Richie Rosenthal has done work for collateral animal use lobbies like the very nasty carriage horse scummy trade, another abuse filled, public safety hazard.
The Lexus Project seems to be centered around trying to push the notion that these dogs they go to court for are misunderstood accidents, instead of products of a breeder industry intentionally breeding violent dogs and taking zero responsibility.
Just read part 9 & 10, and I have to say, The Lexus Project is like the platinum grifter nutter version of all of these pitters who try to get a tax exempt status so they can start "saving" vicious dogs from something they deserve. That is, a completely earned and justified death. The Lexus Project has perfected it's rebranding and pitch to all the suckers out there. WOW!
Good catch, Anon.
As a horseman and an occasional cart/carriage driver and one who has friends in the "industry" (quite a few of these folks are little old lady "hobbiests" who love their horses as much as some of you love your dogs), I don't consider the industry a scummy trade.
However, like any animal industry it should have sensible regulations, as when you mix profit with animals (or egos with animals) the animals usually come out worse.
Here's an important note, however. The majority of carriage horses, like school horses and rental horses, are well cared for and well kept and while they are working, at least, they're not being packed into freightliners headed to packing plants in Canada or Mexico.
As far as I'm concerned the anti-carriage driving folks are spreading misinformation either to further their "animal rights" careers, fill their coffers are simply don't understand the animal, its needs or its relationship to humans.
Yes, there are accidents and abuses, but you wouldn't shut down the whole horse show industry because a few eventers or jumpers breakdown or because the Tennessee Walking Horse trainers are soring their horses, would you?
Well, if you're an animal rights activist you would, and the third world starvation rate would drop dramatically in the short term as the price of horse meat would dive to historic lows.
I have no problem with the carriage horse industry. I can't speak for anywhere else, but the horses in NYC are well cared for.
"Big Lick" Tennessee Walking Horse trainers who make horses stand on stacks for years and sore them so they do that hideous spider-climbing-up-a-wall "movement" (I can't even call it a gait since it's not natural at all) can all go sit on a pineapple.
Numbers and letters person:
No need to paint all animal rights supporters with so broad a brush. This site is home to both animal rights (such as myself) and animal use supporters, and those in between. We are united in our opposition to the propagation of dangerous fighting dogs.
In fact, what brought me to this path was a newspaper edited by an animal rights supporter, Animal People News.
And no, I do not have an animal rights "career", lol, far from it. I'm just an everyday low-paid working stiff in a mainstream job who happens to support animal advocacy. The vast majority of us are the same.
Sorry carriage drivers have a long history of abuse, crime, hurting people, tax evasion, and lobbying with what else but groups like the dog fighter lobby.
Just like the pit bull lobby, out come the lies. Wherever there's a low buck to be made.....
What dog breeder sent you here?
"I have no problem with the carriage horse industry. I can't speak for anywhere else, but the horses in NYC are well cared for."
Sorry, it ain't true. Got a relative in the NYC carriage trade, ad it's the scum of the earth and extremely abusive. NYC is about the worst of all.
Packhorse, they try to appear unbiased, but when the diatribes against "animal rights" starts up, it's another of the NAIA types. These carriage horse people lobby with the dog breeders, pit bull breeders, puppy mills, and the rest.
and it was a dog breeder who sent them here to cough up some cheap lies to try to defend the carriage horse industry and their bucks.
Horse people consider the carriage horse parasites the equivalent of the puppy mills in the dog world, for very valid reasons.
Anon 2:29 and more. You have posted here many times, under a variety of names. You are unable to maintain any civilized conversation without slipping into your hatred and paranoia. I hope you go back into your hole and remain there.
Ah, CandorMD. Our resident lunatic.
Back in your cage, CandorMD, back in your cage...
The riding camp I worked for had a carriage stand in the nearby tourist town--we had a mare and a gelding, their workday lasted 5 hours in mild Wisconsin weather. One would get off work, be trailered home, and the replacement brought in. They always entered the trailer happily, coming or going.
Their bridles weren't blinkered, they wore no
checkreins, their bits were mild, jointed curbs.I say all this because there were no incidents or threats to public safety in years of long summers and throngs of tourists. Well, not true, the mare, Bumtrinket (Trinky) once reached over while waiting at the carriage stand, and relieved a little kid of her ice cream cone, giving everyone a good laugh. Everyone loved them, and the horses seemed to enjoy the work. It makes me sad and angry that it's become blighted.
Repulsive, isn't it? Although I have long known about soring, it was not till I saw an undercover video did I understand the agony those horses undergo, and all to produce a travesty of movement.
Another thing I detest, is
Western Pleasure, where style demands a low, lolling head (peanut rollers, the disparagers call it, Ha!) and slooooooow pace. Added to this picture is a big fake tail for the horse, reaching to the ground... why not, it isn't like you're going to get your hair messy
That being said, I think an American Saddlebred perfectly trained, is the most glorious creature ever. Many years ago, at
the Southern California Expo (an enormous state fair) we were between classes at a Saddlebred show; I didn't see how it happened, but suddenly a loose horse, fully tacked, was inside the empty arena-- and immediately began to rack! She went right along the wall, in perfect form, ears pricked, eyes flashing, great speed, precision, animation..Wow.
When she began her second circuit the crowd started clapping in unison. It was fun! As she neared the entry gate she faltered, dropped to a walk, and was greeted by her rider, also laughing. So she left our cheers behind, but I'll never forget that glorious, joyful sight. Love them.
They are superb house dogs. Congratulations on a good choice.
All of the local pounds rescue groups and humane societies advertise and moreover falsely advertise pitbull dogs on a regular basis. For every dozen or so pitbulls they will throw in a few normal dogs.
Thus I am driven away and am considering a breeder for our family.
***sorry I am replying to old posts. I am on bed rest and bored out of my mind. Just checking out old posts on CD and other anti pitbull/anti dangerous breeds blogs and some science blogs to keep myself amused.
I tried to respond to various comments about shelters and rescues turning people off because of their promotion of dangerous breeds and their playing down of regular breed dogs.
I wanted to say more but have little patience on my smart phone.
However I will say that the local rescues and pounds as well as the local chapter of the humane society all advertise and even mis label the dangerous breeds more specifically the pitbulls and for every dozen pitbulls I see a few regular dogs. Because of this ridiculous pandering to nutters and stupid worthless pitbulls. ...
I am turned off from these shelters and have considered purchasing pure breed dogs over shelter animals because of this emphasis on these dangerous breeds.
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